What's happening in 2009 with televisions?

I'm a dork and can't figure this out. What is happening next year with tvs? Do I have to get a new one because mine isn't HD or whatever? Am I correct in understanding that if you have cable, you're o.k.? Someone explaaaaaiiiin this to me.
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Say what now??????
Yes, in just about a year, all over-the-air TV stations will only be broadcasting in digital format (DTV).

If you already have cable TV, you'll be just fine.

If you only receive TV through an old-fashioned antenna (not a dish) on your roof, or a pair of rabbit ears, it's likely that you are not watching broadcast Digital TV. You will need to have either a TV that can receive braodcast digital (has a "digital tuner") or get a set top converter box that will convert the digital signal so your TV can display it.

The Federal government is offering each address up to 2 special coupons to be used for low-cost converters. The coupons are worth $40 each towards the purchase of special low cost converters.

I wrote about my experience with this maybe a week ago, here's a link.

I got a Broadcast Digital TV (DTV) Converter Box WOW!
Ron wrote:
If you already have cable TV, you'll be just fine.


What I can't find, and will probably need to break down and call the cable company about, is if you're alright if you have cable, or only if you have DIGITAL cable. I'm thinking the latter.
Ron wrote:
If you already have cable TV, you'll be just fine.


:D

But feel free to call and let us know what they say.
Here's what causes the confusion:
http://www.dtv.gov/consumercorner.html#faq13
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How do I know if I already have digital programming through my cable or satellite TV service?

You may receive digital programming if you subscribe to a digital or HD package from your provider and you are viewing the digital programming on a digital set. However, the digital cable tier and satellite TV service are not necessarily DTV. Your cable or satellite TV system may be using digital technology as a more efficient way of delivering analog programming to you. If you have an analog television set, then you are probably not getting digital, even though the reception may be somewhat improved. Check with your cable or satellite TV provider to find out what kinds of programming you can receive, and what equipment you need to receive it.


We have cable, and we have digital cable (on one of the TVs). So is it only our digital cable that will work, or will it all? I can't tell.
The TV stations may be delivering different programming on their digital channel as compared to their analog channel. In fact, one of my local PBS stations is broadcasting 4 different channels.

Your cable box will continue to work with your TV, it will be your local cable company's responsibility to get the signal from the local TV station onto their system. I assume they will continue to deliver your local channels on their basic system as has been required by law for some time (like 20 years or more).

Again, feel free to ask the cable company but remember -- they want to sell you on digital, the box is probably $10 a month more. :D
Ron wrote:
The TV stations may be delivering different programming on their digital channel as compared to their analog channel. In fact, one of my local PBS stations is broadcasting 4 different channels.

Your cable box will continue to work with your TV, it will be your local cable company's responsibility to get the signal from the local TV station onto their system. I assume they will continue to deliver your local channels on their basic system as has been required by law for some time (like 20 years or more).

Again, feel free to ask the cable company but remember -- they want to sell you on digital, the box is probably $10 a month more. :D


See, that's still confusing because - our regular cable doesn't have a box. It's only the digital (900 channel junk) that has a box (yes, the $10/more option). The TVs without the box just have the cable connected right in the TV.
We're starting to go around in circles! :D Call and ask (when you have a spare hour) and let us know!
The 2009 digital television transition for broadcast channels will not affect customers who have cable service -- whether you have a box (digital) or no box (analog) -- because the cable system converts the broadcast tv signals for delivery over its cable network.

However, many cable companies have their own reasons for transitioning customers to digital cable with a box because providing analog signals over takes up alot of space that could be used to fit many more digital cable signals.

So your cable company will probably encourage you to get a digital cable box -- and may eventually phase out analog cable service for its own reasons that have nothing to do with the broadcast digital tv transition.
Thanks Val. Sounds like the bottom line is, if you have cable (regardless of delivery method), you're o.k.

I still find it hard to believe there are people without cable (I'm lookin' at you, Ron, and at about 10 other people I know).
ummm.. I feel so out of the loop becuase I don't watch TV...
Does this mean if you purchase a converter box, you can get 16 channels of television w/o needing cable service?
Yes, if you have a new tv with a built-in digital tuner or if you purchase a converter box for your old tv, after the transition, you should be able to get digital television channels for free over the air, without paying for cable service.

I don't know how well the digital signal will propogate but I think the prospect of getting a high quality television picture wirelessly is potentially very cool. I wonder if it will encourage all of those people who are paying only for basic cable to get their local channels and who don't care about movie channels, etc., choose over the air tv instead of cable.

But I was at a conference recently where the expert panel seemed to think that no one would really watch tv over the air because everyone wants all the extra channels that cable provides. Lots of popular cable channels are not broadcast over the air, including news, sports, comedy, etc.
A dear friend recently recorded this great explination of the digital conversion.
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/video/1 ... index.html
rdf wrote:
Ron wrote:
The TV stations may be delivering different programming on their digital channel as compared to their analog channel. In fact, one of my local PBS stations is broadcasting 4 different channels.

Your cable box will continue to work with your TV, it will be your local cable company's responsibility to get the signal from the local TV station onto their system. I assume they will continue to deliver your local channels on their basic system as has been required by law for some time (like 20 years or more).

Again, feel free to ask the cable company but remember -- they want to sell you on digital, the box is probably $10 a month more. :D


See, that's still confusing because - our regular cable doesn't have a box. It's only the digital (900 channel junk) that has a box (yes, the $10/more option). The TVs without the box just have the cable connected right in the TV.


Update:

http://redtape.msnbc.com/2008/07/the-other-digit.html
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The 'other' digital TV conversion might cost you
Posted: Tuesday, July 1 at 06:00 am CT by Bob Sullivan
Think you don’t have anything to worry about in the switch from analog to digital television? Think again.

Consumers have been told that the upcoming transition TV changeover would mainly impact viewers with old TVs using ancient rabbit ears for reception. And those stone-aged watchers need only purchase a new set-top converter box, subsidized by coupons from the U.S. government, to continue watching. And everyone would go on their merry sitcom-watching ways.

Turns out, that’s not the whole story.

There actually are two analog-to-digital transitions going on. One, you've heard a lot about – the broadcast changeover. But the other – the analog cable to digital cable transition – could leave up to 100 million TVs in the dark, unable to display any cable TV channels at all without adding extra equipment.

The cable version of the analog-to-digital jump will impact anyone who takes a coaxial cable line from the wall and plugs it directly into a TV set. There will be no government coupons to help pay for the millions of new set-top boxes or converters that will be needed to make them work again.

The cable industry has produced countless advertisements about the coming conversion reassuring consumers that they had nothing to worry about.

Come February, though, millions of TVs will no longer be capable of displaying cable TV channels without new equipment – even basic channels, like ESPN, Comedy Central and The Food Network.


Kevin Findlen of Modesto, Calif., says he got the bad news recently from his cable provider, Comcast. He had seen the reassuring advertisements from the cable industry. But a few weeks ago, he decided to call Comcast and double check. The answer he got surprised him.

Most of Findlen's TVs will no longer be capable of displaying cable TV channels by next year, he says he was told.

"TVs that are connected directly to the cable connection will cease receiving programming on the conversion date except for the local channels," Findlen recalls being told by a Comcast operator. While his main TV in the living room with an attached set-top box would be fine, every other TV in his house would lose all cable channel service.

Findlen is now worried. And millions of cable consumers should be worried, too. At some point, all of them will lose service unless they get a new equipment.

Comcast, the largest cable provider, said it will begin dropping analog signals in 20 percent of its markets by the end of this year, although it has not yet disclosed the impacted markets.

Comcast spokeswoman Jennifer Khoury said consumers will receive advanced notice that their analog cable service is shut off and will be given a host of alternatives for keeping their TVs up and running.

What’s going on
D-day for the analog broadcast signal – a date some observers have labeled "Y2K for TV" – is coming on Feb. 17, 2009. That cutoff will be abrupt. But the death of cable analog television is arriving a bit more stealthily, and more piecemeal.

While one has almost nothing to do with the other, their coincidental timing and similar nomenclature are sure to make an already confusing situation worse.

The prospect of millions of TVs suddenly losing their ability to display cable TV channels at about the same time that antenna-connected TVs stop working entirely is a recipe for chaos.

Joel Kelsey, an analyst at Consumers Union, sees it as something even more nefarious than that. He said some cable industry advertisements around the issue have been "extremely misleading."

"There's a whole lot of confusion in the marketplace and this is adding to it," he said. Many cable consumers, like Findlen, can’t sit back and do nothing, as the ads suggest – they’ll need cable boxes or converters soon, Kelsey said.

In an attempt to head off some of the confusion, the Federal Communications Commission issued a Consumer Advisory in May.

“Cable companies are not required to switch their privately-owned systems from analog service to digital service,” the notice says, before warning consumers that cable companies may make the switch anyway, and may change consumers extra for the necessary equipment.

Reclaiming bandwidth
Most cable providers now offer two different types of service on the same wire – analog and digital. Currently more than half of cable subscribers already have a set-top box and digital service, easily identified by the presence of interactive menus such as an advanced channel guide which offers movies on demand.

Those consumers, when using a digital set-top box, have nothing to worry about. But analog users face looming changes that could be costly.

There are 26.5 million cable consumers who subscribe to analog service, according to the National Cable and Telecommunications Association. Many other consumers use the digital signal on one TV but take advantage of the analog signal on other sets in their home by plugging their coaxial cable directly into their TVs. The FCC said last year there were more than 100 million televisions using the cable analog signal one way or the other.

The cable industry, though, plans to shut down those analog signals in an effort to reclaim space that can be used for new services, such as additional high-definition channels.

Analog cable is a bit of a bandwidth hog – as many as six digital channels can fit in the space being occupied by one analog channel. With the arrival of new competition from the telephone industry, such as Verizon's FIOS service, cable companies need the extra bandwidth to keep up. But it's unclear how the industry can turn off analog service without leaving millions of customers in the dark.

The cable transition will not be as brutal as the end of the analog broadcast, which will hit with one fell swoop in February.

Instead, cable operators will decide on their own when to make the switch. So far, some services – such as Time Warner – have indicated that its analog signal won't be shut down any time soon. Robyn Watson, spokeswoman for the company, said its 3 million analog "basic cable" consumers won't see any changes in service.

Legally, cable companies are under no requirements to keep serving up analog stations. The FCC has set a very low bar for protecting analog customers. Cable providers need only continue to transmit analog versions of broadcast channels (generally, the familiar channels 2-13) for the next three years.

When cable companies advertise that its customers won’t have to do anything to keep their televisions working after February 2009, they are promising only to keep those few, local broadcast channels available to all.

Comcast is taking up the FCC on its offer and is planning the most aggressive digital conversion of all the major cable companies – 20 percent of its markets will lose their analog signals by the end of this year. Comcast has not yet disclosed the impacted markets.

Other cable operators are handling things a bit differently. Cablevision recently dropped 9 channels off its analog cable line-up. That suggests the company plans to slowly cut back on analog offerings, rather than drop them all at once. Cablevision hasn't made additional channel line-up plans, according to spokesman Jim Maiella.

Cox spokesman David Grabert said his company has no plans to change its analog line-up.

"At the present time we feel offering analog service is a very customer-friendly approach," he said. While other video service providers such as satellite-based services require boxes for each TV set, cable analog signals give customers more choice, he said. "For us that's a strong competitive advantage."

'Free for as many customers as we can'
Derek Harrar, vice president of video services for Comcast, said his company will do a lot to minimize the pain of transition for consumers. That includes one free set-top box to every subscriber and the option to rent a low-priced converter for other sets at a cost that is considerably less than the regular charge for a full-fledged set-top box, generally between $5-$10 per month.

"Our objective is to make it free for as many customers as we can," Harrar said."The last thing we want to do is to have our customers be really frustrated with us."

But Findlen already is frustrated, and he fears he might be forced to rent three new digital boxes for a monthly fee of $6 each starting next year. To him, that's a hidden price increase just to maintain his current level of service. And he's upset that Comcast and the cable industry persists in advertising that nothing will change for him.

In particular, he takes offense to the message currently on Comcast's Web site, devoted to the digital conversion.

"If all your TVs are currently connected to Comcast, you don't have to worry about a thing. When February 17, 2009 rolls around, you can just sit back, relax and keep watching your favorite shows," it says.

But instead, he says, Comcast operators have told him otherwise.

"(I was told) you must connect each TV in your home to one of their converter boxes to continue receiving the same programming you get today," he said.

Brian Deitz, spokesman for the cable industry association, defends industry advertisements, saying they very clearly limit their promises to providing standard broadcast stations in cable analog formats in the future. He also says it's not accurate to link the end of broadcast analog signals to the end of cable analog signals.

"Cable's migration has been going on since the beginning of 2000," he said. The fact that some cable analog signals are being dropped at about the same time that broadcast analog signal are being dropped is coincidental, he added.

But Amina Fazlullah, a staff attorney at the Public Interest Research Group, is concerned that the cable industry will use confusion of the broadcast conversion as an opportunity to upsell new services, change channel lineups, and just generally make more money from subscribers.

"The advertisements say nothing is going to change, everything is going to be the same. Well, what's clear is things are not going to be exactly the same," she said. "The channels you chose from will change. The method you use to get cable could change, you might need a new box. A lot of different aspects could change."


Sure makes it hard to sort out.
I know our cable company is doing a big upgrade - no doubt because without it we woudn't get anything in February - and its been a mess. they made the switch the night the season finale of greys was on - we had no cable fro three days and still channels come and they go and the hd channels don't work at all. at least they didn't wait until february
Make sure you separate your brain into "digital" and "high definition." They are not the same. HDTV is high def, DTV is digital. (no, let's not go beyond that right now. One step at a time. )
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