A rude awakening to the work world

One of my sons works partime as a dishwasher in a local restaurant. It is a roadhouse-type, so not upscale but not a cheesey fast food, either.

He has totally immersed himself into his work and is very eager to get ahead. He has been there over 7 months and these are some of his accomplishments:

He has been given 2 raises.
He is the best "dish-pit" worker they have.
He is responsible for training new staff in the "dish-pit"
He has never been late or missed a day.
On his days off if they call him to come in he has never refused.
During the summer he has often exceeded 40 hours a week, and once worked 17 hours in one shift.
He got promoted to the kitchen area, and is training the new staff that is hired to take his place. In the meantime he puts extra hours so when his dish work is done he can go do some on-the-job training between busy times.
He requested and received the kitchen manual from the manager and took it home to study.
The restaurant has been opened for 1 year and 3 weeks ago they chose him to be thier very first Employee of the Month" as recognition of his work ethics and standards.
He attended a seminar and then passed a food handling cource that the municipality sanctions. Out of about 40 employees, only 15 took the cource and he got the 3 highest score. He is now certified to handle food.
He applied for and was accepted as a member of the restuarant's Health and Safety committee.

Oh, I may have forgotten to mention that he is 14 years old.

He just found out that one of the recent dishwashers hired to replace him has moved into his kitchen working postion. This employee has been there for 3 weeks and my son was told that they moved her out of the "dish-pit" because she is a girl.

He is sooooo upset and could not believe it. After all his hard work and effort they do this to him. He told me last nite he is giving them an ultimatime (sp) and may very well hand in his resignation. This is an extremely hard-working boy who has suddenly been dealt an awful hand.

I know that life is not fair and that there will always be work politics to deal with, but this is his first job and he was so proud of himself and the place he worked. How dare they do this to a young, impressionable boy?

I am furious, but need to let him handle this on his own. I told him that what they are doing is discriminatory and against the law. I told him that they cannot use his gender against him, just like a number of other things that cannot be used. He knows that I am supporting him, and we will see how it goes.

Thanks for listening....I just needed to vent.... :evil: :evil: :evil:
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That is so unfair. I'm sorry for him. I hope he doesn't have to resign from his job, and they promote him soon. It sounds like you have raised an awesome, hard-working, intelligent son though!
I might handle it a little differently. I wouldn't express to him your outrage; remember, you're getting this info (at least) third hand. I might take this opportunity to explain business realities to him. I wish someone had sat me down and told me these things when I was 15 or 16.

First off, I'm sorry his (and your!) feelings have been hurt, but he (and you) will get over it. As you well know, patience is a virtue. Maturity is an asset in business and handling this situation as a mature adult could go a very long way in earning him respect from his supervisors that his age would normally prevent.

They obviously like him (with the raises and promotions and awards), and I would counsel him to take this into very strong consideration before making a judgement to leave. He needs to understand that he is 14 (you didn't mention the "girl's" age) and that at least here in the US, nobody under the age of 16 may work beyond certain times and number of hours and certain job functions, and that nobody under the age of 18 may work in dangerous occupations. Some of that may have entered into their decisions.

I would explain to him that some things happen in business that are hard to explain, sometimes the reasons given are not the real reasons. Perhaps they saw that this "girl" wasn't physically able to do her job in the dish pit, but they liked her as an employee and didn't want to let her go.

I would further counsel him that while nothing is personal in business, everything is personality. Business is a game that he needs to learn how to play.

He needs to understand that he shouldn't burn his bridges behind him. That this decision by his superiors, while possibly capricious, doesn't end his career either in this restaurant or any other in the industry, and that many of the people he will meet at this job he will continue to meet in other jobs.

He also needs to learn that you have very few friends in business and while everyone should be respected and treated friendly as co-workers, some of them may have ulterior motives and ambitions and few compunctions to use him as a stepping stone to get where they want. It's part of the game, and he can choose to participate in the game in any way that he wants, with whatever morals he brings to the game, as long as he understands that others are playing the game.

I would counsel him to again ask for time to speak with his supervisors, and calmly explain how disappointed he was with there decision to promote her, and was there something that he could be doing better, or was there "something else in the back of their minds" that was a reason.

If he is determined to leave, I would counsel him to continue to work there while seeking employment elsewhere, give notice like a gentleman and move forward on a positive note. He can complain to his pillow, or to you.

Just from my experiences.
Ron wrote:
.......Just from my experiences.


Very true and well said.

Your son (and you) have a lot to be proud of! But, life sure has a way of trying to make you feel otherwise. mouthypf
What a great kid! You must be so proud of him.

From the effort that he's put in with extra training it sounds like he'd hoped to eventually be cooking in the restaurant.

If he does end up leaving this job, maybe he can get a job as an assistant in a kitchen at another restaurant - where he can start cooking. I'm sure that another restaurant would be very impressed with how hard-working he is and they should be very impressed with the initiative he took by bringing home the kitchen manual.

I think you're doing great by not getting directly involved - that must be hard to stay out of it. This will be a great learning experience for him to assert himself and speak to his supervisor. He's very lucky to have such a supportive parent.

Whatever he ends up doing, I hope it turns out well for him.
Is the girl older? Maybe they put her in the kitchen spot because they know how young your son is and will have to scale back his hours soon when he goes back to school?

Do they have laws about how much kids can work in Canada? I remember having to get a work permit to work when I was under 16.
I'm not sure about the laws for kids to work... but I think the minimum age is 14 for most jobs, except farm work and paper routes, etc.
Ron wrote:
I would counsel him to again ask for time to speak with his supervisors, and calmly explain how disappointed he was with there decision to promote her, and was there something that he could be doing better, or was there "something else in the back of their minds" that was a reason.



Great advice Ron!
Nicole, your son sounds like an employee everybody would like to have.
So if it doesn't work out with this job I am sure he'll be able to get another very quickly. He is quite the go getter. I am very impressed!
I'm very impressed too :D Only thing I can say is to encourage your son to be brave and have a strong backbone...if possible.

I wish I had some advice, but I haven't figured out how to work in the "real" world yet either. Been at 5 different companies and inevitably they are all the same...same personalities with different faces :(
Thanks for the suggestions, sympathy and understanding.

Ron, I agree 100% with you. Having spent years in management and having to make some difficult decisions I understand how businesses run. Sometimes the employees do not see the big picture, nor are they expected to. The sad thing is that I was kind of hoping that my son would have a few years of gaining confidence in the decision-makers before he was turned sour. We spend all our time while they are growing up teaching them that if they work hard at something it will pay off...like school work, sports, studying, practising, honing skills and talents. And usually it does work. I thought his first big disappointment in corporate affair would have been after some successes, so he would have a good, trusting baseline to work with.
I hope this doesn't make him suspicious and doubtful of management, now.

Just a bit more information....He was promised the promotion 2 and 1/2 months ago....he has done a couple of shifts in it already, but had been pulled back into his old job due to folks quitting, vacation, sick etc.

The girl who got his promotion is also 14. This is her very first job. She told my son today that she doesn't even want it, and would prefer the "dish pit". She suggested they see if they could swap jobs. Unfortunately for my son I allow him to work until closing during the summer, which is sometimes after 2:00AM. The young lady is not allowed to work late so she cannot close the dish area. That is another reason why they moved her.

I see two things at work, here, which I'm sure many adults have seen in their carreers.

1-Sometimes if you are very good at your job you do not get promoted because it would be difficult to replace you. I know this is a "dishwashing" postion, but my husband and I are out of town at the end of the month so my son has to take a week off. He does not have the transportation to and from work. They have asked him if he will be available as they would arrrange for him to be picked up and brought home by the management.
They have repeatedly told him that they need him very badly where he is now.

2-Sometimes if people cannot do a job well they get promoted into another. Why did they hire a young lady to do a job they don't want a girl to do? And if they were giving her a chance to see if she could do it isn't that what a probabtion period is all about?

He is handing in his notice today, but the boss won't get it until tomorrow. I read the letter he did up. It is quite mature-sounding, with an element of immaturity that is to be expected from a kid. However, it also has an open clause that his boss can easily use to keep him on, if certain conditions are met. He's not quite ready to give up the cash flow! :lol:
Bosley's mom wrote:
The sad thing is that I was kind of hoping that my son would have a few years of gaining confidence in the decision-makers before he was turned sour. We spend all our time while they are growing up teaching them that if they work hard at something it will pay off...like school work, sports, studying, practising, honing skills and talents. And usually it does work.
It still does! He just needs to know what it is he needs to be good at, and that's the interpersonal skills and the business game. It's not about being soured, it's just about understadning that there are competing interests in business, both from other employees as well as from the company, and that these competing interests sometimes over shadow his interests.

It makes no sense for him to get soured on the business world because of this; he just needs to understrand the arena.

As far as interfering? Yeah, I wouldn't march down there and intervene, but I'd sure as heck be willing to interject with him privately, and again let him know the rules of the road on which he's driving.

Like I said, I wish someone had shown me the ropes when I was his age. I was (and am, I hope) an extremely capable technologist and a pretty bright guy in some areas, but I just did not understand business (or school!) politics, and that was a very major hinderance to me through a very large part of my career. Even once into management, I still needed "learnin" and an understanding that there were people who were actually willing to harm others for their own gain, that there are places and positions where politics trump production.

I would love to get back in and "play the game" with a different objective someday, instead of looking to be the best employee I can be by productivity, looking to be the best employee by furthering my agenda through the corporation. That is something I never did particularly well.

Good luck!
Sounds like you have a great kid. As a manager sometimes you have to make decisions that are not necessarly the best the for the employee(s), but suit the work setup and situation. These can be hard decisions and sometimes result in losing good people. When I have been faced with these situations I try to make it up in other ways, such as better hours, more "perks", more OT, if that is what they are looking for, etc. Most importantly I have a private chat with the employee and try to explain why it has happened. Sometimes this works and sometimes it doesn't. I have also found that most of the people who have left have absolutely landed on their feet and in many circumstances ended up in better situations more suited to them. Good luck to your son and I wish I could hire him. He sounds like he would be a gem of an employee!!
Update:

My son wrote his letter of resignation and gave the employor. I know it is not the best grammer and format, but he is just a kid. I thought I'd share it with you:

Quote:
I regret to inform you that I feel it necessary to terminate my employment with you. I feel it necessary, as due to the current direction being taken by the company. I come into work everyday and try to give 100%, I have helped take shifts to keep the rest of the staff on the respective stations when we where short on staff, I have worked 16 hour days and I closed and opened all towards the goal of a promotion. Now that things are evening out and there is a chance that I am able to pick up shifts on the line I have been shut down, only for this chance to be taken up by a dishwasher with no cooking experience or training who has been there for 2 week to be given this opportunity. I have been working there for 8 months and for two and a half month I have been promised a promotion but yet I have seen no progress. Though you yourself have not promised me directly, I was assured by my kitchen manager and the fact still stand that I was promised. I feel as if I can give you three options, I start picking up line shifts after my vacation, I get a raise in pay or I have to leave the company and find somewhere else who can keep to the promises they have given me. I will either be reassigned or granted a raise effective September 4th, or September 3rd will be my last day. Though I have thoroughly enjoyed working there and I hope some of these issues can be fixed, at the moment I am unhappy with how things are working. With this being said I hope you come to a decision we are both happy with.


The general manager actually was in last nite so they had a chat. :?

The boss was quite taken aback, and admitted he was not impressed by being backed into a corner. He didn't like being given an ultimatum (sp) by a 14 year old kid. :evil: :evil: :evil:

On the other hand he was very impressed with my son's approach and that he had actually written it all down and was open for discussion. He said many people just leave and they don't give a reason. This way they have something they can work with towards everyone's goal.

He also mentioned that if it had been any other employee he would have just let them quit. But he really values my son and he is going to think of a way to work things out.

My son is good at negociating, but also very true to his word, so if things don't improve he will leave....even though I know he doesn't want to......

Either way, through all of this I think he has learned a lot. And I honestly believe that one of the most important things that adults could teach kids is confidence.

So, we will see what happens over the next 2/3 weeks.

P.S. I am very proud of my boy..... :high5:
What great results!
I love the fact that he gave his employeer an ultimatum.
I wish I had done that in my job a few years back.
But it all worked out for me. The HR guy transferred me to our sister company where I ended up in a top position until I was laid off. :roll:

Good for your son!! He is going to go far in the business world.
I would have fired him on the spot.

Unless of course he had me over a barrel, in which case I would "think about how to handle this" then fire him at my earliest convenience.

(Don't say I didn't warn ya! ;) )
There are very very few times in life that ultimatums work out well, let alone in the work world. I agree with Ron, if I were the manager, I would've fired him on the spot, too, but given his age, I would've explained why. No matter how hard of a worker or how dedicated he is, he's still dispensible and I think a discussion with the person that he wrote the letter to (about the promises made to him by others) may have been a better first step.

I think it's a good experience for him to learn early how life works. As cliched as it is, it isn't what you know or how hard a worker you are, it's all about working the system and playing politics-- as much as that sucks. I'm a great game player but I also have my migraines as a reward for my diplomacy... :evil:
I'm with Ron on this one. No offense to you or your son Nicole, but as a manager I wouldn't negotiate with an employee that had given me an ultimatum. The tone of the letter was "give me what I want or I quit". If I give you what you want and keep you around, how do I know that you won't give me another ultimatum six months down the road?

I would suggest as a more positive approach: "How can we work together so that I achieve my goals"? Write a letter requesting a formal discussion on his career opportunities, based on his training, hard work and willingness to be there when the company needs him. Express in writing that he really wants a promotion to full time kitchen work. Ask what it will take to get the promotion, including time frame. Once he has that discussion, ask for the career plan to be put in writing so that all parties are working under the same expectations. It's just a different slant on the same letter, but it makes him look like a team player instead of a rebel.

Ron wrote:
I would love to get back in and "play the game" with a different objective someday, instead of looking to be the best employee I can be by productivity, looking to be the best employee by furthering my agenda through the corporation.

I didn't work well in a corporate environment (or in social organizations) until I hit my late 20s. That's when I learned two important lessons: that great ideas and great performance can easily be overlooked by others if you can't communicate them in a positive way; and that you have to play the hand you're dealt, not the hand you wish you had. :wink:
I would have terminated him because he delivered an ultimatum which is a miscalculation or misunderstanding of the nature of our relationship, and because he quit, and he is now a disgruntled employee, and poses a risk to my operations from any number of possible avenues, including but not limited to negative attitude, sabotage and fake injury.

(Remember, I don't know your son, and for me this is all a hypothetical like in a classroom. I don't intend to be insulting, I'm just telling you how, as a manager, how it is likely that I would have reacted to this situation.)
Bailey's Mom wrote:
great ideas and great performance can easily be overlooked by others if you can't communicate them in a positive way; and that you have to play the hand you're dealt, not the hand you wish you had. :wink:
One of my major drawbacks early on was assuming that everyone was on the same page with me and that they had the same understanding of the situation as I did. I learned a great lesson from one project I was on where I was constantly with the owner of the project, going to his meetings throughout the organization. I couldn't believe how many times he went through the same PowerPoint presentation with the background of the project, the goals and the scope, even when he was meeting with the same group for the third time.

The other one was actually caring about the job at hand more than the politics involved. That's a hard one to fix. ;)
At 14 years old. to have the insight and judgement this
young man has, shows

he is a leader -whether or not he is fired.



This young gentleman will have a bright future as
a manager of his own business or in the business world.

Sorry to disagree with other posters, but he took charge of
the situation.

Why should he waste his time if they are using him?????????????

If this restaurant manager values him, they will continue
to encourage his growth there. He took initiative to
work hard and be loyal.

The reality of business is this---------they can let him
go immediately and replace him with a lazy employee
with no initative. Getting an excellent self motivated employee
is difficult.


It is his employers loss if they lose him. Clearly, they will
have learned a lesson when the dishes stack up or meals
are not served promptly.

Standing up for himself should be applauded.

I hope they honor his hard work and set the things right.
Right or wrong I applaud your son for his work ethic and for standing up for what he believes. It may be that the ultimatum created a "back against the wall" type situation but what the employer did was not fair either. Perhaps your son should have first tried to have a dialoge with his boss about it.

BUT, if that didn't work I absolutely think he has every right to quit a job, and let his boss know why he quite the job if he is being treated unfairly. Life isn't always fair and your son will have time enough in his long life to learn that, I think that learning to stand up for your integrity and values is an important lesson too.

There will come a time in his life when he may have to stick with a job where he is getting a "raw" deal, when he is in college and needs money to pay bills, when he is really an adult and has himself and a family to support. I don't think that 14 is an age when he needs to learn THAT lesson. At 14 he should learn and obviously has learned a good work ethic, loyalty and honesty. I think his behavior shows all of that.

Good job Mom!!
Well, I hope he learns the right lessons from this; I think it would be better for him in the long run if he gets fired so that he learns that he went about this the wrong way. If he's not fired, what has he learned? That he can march into management's offices and make demands and win? That doesn't happen in "real life". Maybe it happens at the Roadhouse, but not in the office buildings. It's just the wrong mesage, and I don't think he should experience positive reinforcement for behavior that will cause him problems in the future. This is of course my opinion.

I don't think he handled this in the best way possible. He didn't handle this in the most mature matter, he didn't have another conversation with the bosses, and he didn't give notice like a gentleman, he made demands. I really don't understand what there is to be proud of, other than falling on his sword for male rights and standing up for himself? Perhaps that's the lesson you want him to learn?

He missed the opportunity to understand why it is that the bosses did what they did, and to see a difficult situation through to a beneficial result. He missed learning to have realistic patience, and that while 7 months feels like forever to a 14 year old, it's but the blink of an eye to his bosses.

Leadership is not marching into the office, finding the first convenient supervisor and handing over a letter of demands and resignation. Leadership is finding the right time to do the right thing so that everyone benefits.

A mature letter of resignation doesn't make demands. It thanks the bosses for the tremendous opportunities afforded to him and for all the things he's learned, but he feels that he must move on at this point.

Maybe someone can explain to me why they are happy that he did this.

Again, all my opinion, and I could be way off base. I just don't get it.
Hmmmm, well for the sake of discussion (collegial debate of course :wink: ) I went back and re-read his letter and although I think you make some valid points and I think that perhaps his letter could have been a bit "more political" I still think he did a good job of stating his case.

He wasn't actually "making demands" he was aking for something that had already been promised to him. I don't think there is anything wrong with reminding an emplyer that you were promised a raise or a promotion but have not received it. I agree, his presentation needs some work.

Had the promotion not been promised and expected and he told his boss that he would resign unless it was given, THEN I would agree he was out of line. But this young man was led to believe that if he worked hard and did his job well he would receive certain rewards. Then, someone who was totally undeserving received what he believed was promised him.

His letter or resignation did have all the necessary elements, he stated his intent to resign, gave a reason, a date but also allowed for some "wiggle" room should his boss chose to negotiate with him. Now, that being said, I do think he should be fully prepared to lose his job and seek employement elsewhere. The boss may not be right but he is, after all, THE BOSS and he had the right to say "so long see ya bye, don't let the door hit you on the way out". Either way a lesson is learned.

My philosophy on writing "emotion charged" letters is to write the first one, say everything I want to say, tear it up, write a second letter put it in an envelope and put it away for a couple days THEN after I have cooled down re-read it and maybe re-write it for the third time before I actually sned it. He might have done well to have slept on his letter for a few days.

But I still respect the fact that he stood up for himself.
Tasker's Mom wrote:

But this young man was led to believe that if he worked hard and did his job well he would receive certain rewards. Then, someone who was totally undeserving received what he believed was promised him.

His letter or resignation did have all the necessary elements, he stated his intent to resign, gave a reason, a date but also allowed for some "wiggle" room should his boss chose to negotiate with him. Now, that being said, I do think he should be fully prepared to lose his job and seek employement elsewhere. The boss may not be right but he is, after all, THE BOSS and he had the right to say "so long see ya bye, don't let the door hit you on the way out". Either way a lesson is learned.



Ron,

I respect your right to your point of view. He is 14 years old.
Does he deserve no respect for being sincere?
Management has the right to do whatever they want.
The lessons to other young people who may have been observing
his hard work, is why bother?????? Mangeement blew it. They
have a good role model.

I am not understanding the leadership point. Is it good management
to lie to an employee because he is underage and use him
then embarrass him in front of his peers????????

My point is this-everyday we hear about young people in trouble
with the law, with all sorts of issues. Here is a honest young man.

Why is it this young man is not honored for being a hard worker?
If he were older I would agree about the "lesson" of dealing
with bosses. At this point they should have not have promised if
they could not deliver.

The reality is that there are many times good people stay in jobs
too long because they are used by manipulative managers.
The sooner he learns to walk the better.

The days of loyalty are to companies are passe........
with the high rate of businesses merging and purging
being assertive for yourself is survival.............

He is loyal, honest, hardworking and self motivated.
He deserves the best. There are better opportunities ahead.

At this point he will be returning to school which should be his focus.


Heaven knows, if he choses business school he may end up
buying the restaurant chain.

He has already learned a lesson in how not to manage one...........
Hi,

I'm on the kids side and think he's got gutso..if there is such a word. True, employers don't like ultimatums, then again no one does. However, I give your son credit for writing the letter and stating his case.

A similar situation happened to my son a few months ago. He's 18 so a bit older and was hired by a kitchen outlet place. The boss and all the employees all commented on his hard work when I went to visit. They treated him well and he enjoyed working with them. The three month raise that he was promised did not appear however. The "big boss" was an absentee owner and so my son asked about a raise the next time he saw him. He too worked there 8 months.

He found out that coming week there would be a shipment of 700 cabinets arriving. He alone was responsible for moving them around the store via forklift and manual labour. He also carried items out to peoples vehicles. He alone did this as the other employees were all elderly females. Approaching the big boss about the promised raise or the possiblility of having assistance he was told no. My son wasn't as good in diplomacy as yours..he quit on the spot.

I wasn't happy he handled it that way and said he should have given at least 2 wks notice. However he said , the shipment was coming in the following week and he would have had to do the very job in which his felt he was being underpaid.

I'm not sure what the right answer was as the responsible me says he still should have given 2 wks notice while the other part of me sees he was possible being taken advantage of. Normally forklift drivers made at least 3 dollars more an hour than he was making and the work involved a lot of heavy lifting too.

Your son is only 14 and showed a responsibility in how he dealt with it. It's sometimes far easier to quit than to confront the person and tell them why.

Marianne and the boys
I'm in no way suggesting that he should be loyal to a company; I have spent a long time trying to convince my wife that loyalty to a company nowadays isn't a useful thing.

What I am saying is that it matters not one iota what led up to his decision to write that letter, except for something that was clearly immoral or illegal. Even in that case I would have counseled him to handle it differently.

As far as standing up for himself, Great! Wonderful! Nobody over here is saying that he should be a meek lemming. I am suggesting that it should have been done in a face to face meeting with the promising boss and not a random boss. It then could have been "escalated" up to the next level if necessary. That his resignation letter if the situation warranted should have been just a polite thanks and "see ya."

It's all about patience and maturity. For Pete's sake, he demanded a third raise in 7 months as one of his ultimatums? How impatient is that? Was it about an insult, or was it about money? Does he have unrealistic expectations that require him to need a reality check?

In my opinion it was only his approach that was flawed. He can certainly decide for himself whether or not he wants to stay at a company where he either doesn't like his current position, or is in some other way unhappy or uncomfortable or upset.

My initial post first suggested some counseling in the reality of work life, then went on to suggest courses of action, none of which should have been construed as telling him to stay there and put up with indignities/slights/insults or anything else he didn't like:
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I would counsel him to again ask for time to speak with his supervisors, and calmly explain how disappointed he was with there decision to promote her, and was there something that he could be doing better, or was there "something else in the back of their minds" that was a reason.

If he is determined to leave, I would counsel him to continue to work there while seeking employment elsewhere, give notice like a gentleman and move forward on a positive note. He can complain to his pillow, or to you.


He's 14. he behaved exactly how I'd expect a 14 year old to behave when confronted by such a situation. I was hoping he could be counseled into a more mature response. ;)

Either way, it's been fun thinking about this, I'm just sorry that it is actually happening with one of our member's children.
Ron wrote:


It's all about patience and maturity. For Pete's sake, he demanded a third raise in 7 months as one of his ultimatums? How impatient is that? Was it about an insult, or was it about money? Does he have unrealistic expectations that require him to need a reality check?





An example of his good judgement--------

bet he's saving for college ! :wink: :wink:
A bit more information on the situation here.

The "promising supervisor" is now off work and may not return. Seems that the promise of the promotion was all verbal, and was being worked into the schedule gradually until staffing would allow the adequate transfer. When my son explained this to the general manager he was told that the individual did not tell him about it. Thus the reason why the feeling that something in writing was needed, as prior verbal discussions did not get recorded. My son also suggested to the GM that the kitchen manager has the authority to make such promises and shouldn't he support his management's decisions?

I agree that the overall tone of the letter could be interpreted to be confrontational-sounding. That is due to the lack of proper business writing technique on the part of my son, which I would hope that the GM would understand. I was NOT going to write it for him. It is his job, and his situation, and the letter needed to sound like a 14 year old boys' attempt to communicate in a adult world....not like an adult trying to communicate in a adult world.

From a very young age my boys have been given the opportunity to make certain decisons on thier own, according to thier age and level of maturity. Yes, they have made mistakes, and they have learned from them, and that will continue. The day he handed in the letter I cautioned him that it could back-fire, and there was a possibility that management would not be very receptive....but I did not tell him not to do it. Only to be prepared. He knew that I would support him either way.

If he ends up leaving or being fired he will have learned a valuable leasson. If he ends up getting the promotion and staying on he will have learned something even more valuable--- Where morals and integrity are concerned there is no compromise. When you see something that you feel is not right and you feel passionate about it is never wrong to speak up and take action. Otherwise how can you look at yourself in the mirror every morning?

I have worked in various positions in a large corporation for most of my life...in management and as a "worker bee". I hate company politics with a passion. The boss that I admired the most, who I molded my own management style after was extremely open and willing to look past the presentation into the depth of a person. Yes, managers like that are few and far between, but definitely worth looking for. Makes for a much happier, confident and comfortable employee.

I do not know the GM at all....so it is anybody's guess how this will end up.

And BTW, he gives me $100 each pay to invest for his University. He wants to be a businessman....Doesn't matter what kind, or what type of business...But then that, too, can change in the next few years. He's still testing the waters. :lol: :lol:
Bosley's mom wrote:

And BTW, he gives me $100 each pay to invest for his University. He wants to be a businessman....Doesn't matter what kind, or what type of business...But then that, too, can change in the next few years. He's still testing the waters. :lol: :lol:


He'll be successful in whatever he decides to do!!!!!!!!!!!

Best wishes!!!!
You are right Ron, it's too bad he's had to go through this at all !!

Nicole, Congratulations on doing such a good job so far, looks like your son is off to a pretty good start!! I hope things work out for him, he sounds like a fine young man who will learn from this experience and be a better person because of it.

My son got his first job at 14 picking strawberries at a local farm, he earned 25 cents a quart. I remember how hard he worked. He'd pick for HOURS AND HOURS and somedays he'd make 15.00 or 20.00 and consider it a good day. He'd come home so hot tired and sweaty my heart would ache for him. He's 27 now and head of the Science Department at the school he teaches at and I'm so proud of him :D . I beleive lessons earned early, last LONG!!!
Bosley's mom wrote:
And BTW, he gives me $100 each pay to invest for his University. He wants to be a businessman....Doesn't matter what kind, or what type of business...But then that, too, can change in the next few years. He's still testing the waters. :lol: :lol:

No matter how it works out, this will be valuable experience for him in his future business career. He has already learned a lot about how to motivate, and not motivate, your employees. I wish him all the best, he sounds like a good kid!
We got back from dropping my older boy off at University and my younger one went in to his work to check his schedule. This was to see if he was still going to be working there, as he had given a conditional resignation 2/3 weeks ago.

Well lo and behold....he is scheduled for 4 shifts from Thursday to Sunday, in the kitchen! He got his promotion and he in no longer in "the pit".

Yaahhhh! He is very happy, as he really does enjoy working there.

I did mention to him that this could have gone either way, and he could have been told to take the road. But he wasn't, so he can move forward in his new role and prove to management that they did not make a mistake by keeping him on.

Phew.
YAY!!! :clappurple: Wonderful news!
YAY!! I was thinking aobut him the other day and wondering how he made out. And you are right, now he needs to make sure to show they didn't make the wrong decision, but I bet he'll do that!!!!
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