Barnabus
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| A dog bite put her in the hospital for weeks? What kind of injuries did she suffer? |
| That's very scary. I'm glad you were persuaded to rehome Barnabus before your children were injured. I feel awful for the family who adopted him -- and I feel terrible for Barnabus too.
For everyone else's reference, here is the link to the lengthy discussion we had about Barnabus and his behavioral issues: http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?p=84121 And here is a long discussion about the death of Barnabus: http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?t=8668 Best, Valerie OES Reference Librarian  |
| Neither of those discussions included anything about a lengthy hospital stay. I didn't realize this woman must've had her face literally torn off rather than the bite that was implied in the previous posts. |
| Thank you for your courage in coming back to the forum in light of what has happened to Barnabus. I can only imagine what a scary experience it was with your children. Thank you for sharing some additional info on this case, and I am sorry that an Old English Sheepdog made you never want to have dogs in your life again. |
This is so tragic for all those involved. Thank you, Janet, for coming back here to share additional information with us. I hope one day you might reconsider a dog for your family...maybe when the kids are a bit older. The majority of dogs are wonderful and add so much to life  |
| Stacy,
That was not Janet. That was the owner that surrendered Barnabus to Janet. As for what Janet had said it was basically a scratch that barely broke the skin. The woman went to the ER because she did not get Barnabus the rabies shot that she was supposed to get for him. That is why he was sent to the be quarantined to make sure he didn't have rabies. So this story does not make sense. I am going to contact Janet and have her respond to this. |
| I was also wondering about the lying under oath???
We had been told that you testified that you had no knowledge of his prior biting history. In your original post you mentioned that he did have problems before. So I was wondering what was said on the stand? Also was wondering why Janet claims she was not given the information of his past problems.....besides snapping (which is NOT biting) |
Stacy wrote: This is so tragic for all those involved. Thank you for coming back here to share additional information with us. I hope one day you might reconsider a dog for your family...maybe when the kids are a bit older. The majority of dogs are wonderful and add so much to life |
| I hadn't actually read the earlier thread because it was so upsetting. I didn't realize how much controversy there was in who knew what when, etc. Now I've read it and am as sick as everyone else about this.
One of the things I don't understand is the lying under oath part. Why is everyone mad about it? I know it was bad if the information was not shared with the people who were trying to help him, but at the end of the day, what was the goal of denying the history in court? |
| Why would the rescue organization adopt out Barnabus if he had all of those bites under his belt, Suzanne?? Could it be because you lied to the rescue group and told them that there was only one air snap at your youngest child when Barnabus was in your home for only fifteen minutes?? And that it was over a bowl of food that your child gave to the dog and tried to take back?
You lied to the rescue group and said you were only keeping the dog for a friend until his new owner picked him up. When they didn't come for him--you called the rescue group--Stray No More-- to help you. You told the court that you had the dog for a couple of days until the new owner could pick him up, also. You told them that story under oath. I am not a lawyer but I believe that is called perjury, isn't it? This is Janet from Stray No More--so please watch how you answer these questions. Please tell the truth about the bite that Christine Hearn received. She has a toothmark in her nose and a carpet burn on her chin. The bite happened on Friday night and I went to the Hearns' house on Saturday afternoon to pick up Barnabus. When I arrived there, Christine was at home and functioning quite well. SHE NEVER SPENT ONE NIGHT IN THE HOSPITAL. AND YOU KNOW IT. You saw her face at the hearing the same as I did. There was no permanent damage--no trace of anything. She never had any reconstructive surgery. You are lying about that, also. While you are at it--please tell all of the kind people who tried to help you work out things with Barnabus that you came to court with the dog wardens to TESTIFY AGAINST BARNABUS. And you lied to make it as bad as you could for him. You are not an innocent dog lover who happened upon the wrong dog. You, my dear, are a liar. You lied and lied on the witness stand to keep from getting a twenty-five dollar fine for not getting a license and a fifty dollar fine for not getting the rabies shot. You crawled into bed with the Pennsylvania dog wardens for seventy-five dollars worth of fines. You sold out Barnabus for seventy-five dollars. How did you spend that $75?? Was it worth his life?? I hope you see his sweet little face and those cornflower blue eyes every time you open your wallet. I am taking copies of your posts on this site to my attorney in the hope that something can be done about you lying under oath. What a great idea that you don't want another dog, Suzanne, because I am placing you on a 'do not adopt to" list that will keep all unwitting animals out of your hands. Janet Marie Good |
| I don't know what to say here really....
poor barney,  poor poor barney |
| Can someone explain the perjury thing to me? |
mellow wrote: I don't know what to say here really....
poor barney, poor poor barneyI feel the same way  |
| I had a similar problem a few years ago with an OES. I had done a lot of research in the personality of OES before I decided that was the dog for me. I decided to look for an older dog from a rescue. At the time it was just my husband and myself living at home and I felt I didn't really want to get into the "house breaking" of a puppy, but I felt getting a dog from a rescue would be a good thing. I contacted the rescue and was told there was a 9 year old female up for adoption. I was given her background and felt my husband and I could give her a good home in her final years. The rescue also had a 9 month old pup available, so we took both. The 9 month old, Violet, was well behaved and yes, house broken. We just put a doggy door in and never had a problem. She is still a sweet adorable pup 3 years later. On the other hand the 9 year old bit both my husband and myself with in one day of each other. I made the mistake of putting my hand down to get something from her. She had been at the rescue for a couple of months and the other dogs where not nice to her, so she was very protective of her things. She bit me pretty good. I could not use my hand for about two weeks. The very next day, my husband was standing in the livingroom and she jumped up and bit him very hard in the fore arm. His arm was swollen for over a week. Thank God her shots where all updated. We tryed to figure out what may have caused her to react like that. It was just my husband and myself, Violet and the 9 year old. With a heavy heart we called the rescue and explain what happened and told them we where bringing her back. We did not want to be afraid of our dog. I often wonder what happened to her. She sure didn't end up with the life we had hoped for her. Anyway, we have Violet still and she is now 3 1/2 years old and we also have an Australian Shephard, China, who is 2 1/2 years old (we got her at 8 weeks old. Violet helped train her to use the doggy door). Both of them are the best dogs ever and I can't see my life without them. So don't give up, just find a dog that will fit into your family.
Best of luck to you! Violet and China's Mom |
| WOW! This whole thing is crazy. Don't know what to say. |
| I don;t really know where to begin or what to say...so I will start with the truth. I do not want anyone to believe that Janet Good adopted out a mean or vicious dog. Barnabus bit or I should say snapped at my daughter one time. Janet knew this and had me write it in a letter to go to any future adopters. The other incidents i spoke of on this site with all of you other than that one bite were not truthful, and were written by me just to chat and be part of a group. This was wrong and I truly apologize. As you can see, Janet did not adopt to anyone a ferocious biting dog, nor did I ever tell the court, The biten party or the dog warden that he was. I did tell the truth to everyone who was directly involved. I just embellished and used other people's(friends) stories of other dogs and made them my own to be a part of this forum. I also found out just today from a more reliable source that the woman who was biten was not actually biten as severly as I had been let on. You must understand that I was being told that she was because of legal reasons and believed them to be true. I have found out that the bite was merley a scratch and the so called hospital stay was only a few short hours with no other surgeries needed. Janet was not in fact placing a dog's intrest over that of a person's...she just knew the whole story(and had actually seen her shortly after) where I had not. Janet is a good person and believe it or not so am I. I must say in my defense that I did not lie in court. I awnsered truthfully everything I was asked. I was sent a supena to testify in this case, I did not chose to on my own. I also did not say to Janet or anyone involved in the case that Barnabus was mean or viscious as he was not. After learning more about Janet, I think that she is a good hearted person who tried her best. I would have to say that the rabies shot or lack there of was something that both of us made a wrong call on and I have always accepted guilt on that. Janet spent several months with Barny in her home, she had him around other people and children...she knows that he was not a mean dog. I did not lie and give her a mean dog and not tell her. She thought she had adopted a sweet, yet willful animal that he was. Please do not get the impression that Janet is a bad person because she loves animals and i believe she would do anything for them. She deserves for people to know the truth. I wish I would have been truthful on this site,even though it didn't really have anything to do with this case, because you are all wonderful peole and I do not want anytone to think badly of Janet. She does deserve your respect despite how others have made her to look. An injustice has been done because of a dog warden who dislikes her and a couple looking for a quick buck. |
| Thanks for clarifying the circumstances. I appreciate your effort to correct the misinformation. I am just left with a sore heart full of grief for poor Barnabus. |
| No one here thinks badly of Janet. She has been very forthcoming with her side of the story and we believe her. It is not HER character you have to defend, only your own.
Barnabus, rest in peace. You deserved better. |
| I remember now why I like being with dogs more than I like being with some people.
Run free, Barnabus , run free. The sad part about this is that I called the rescue about Barnabus the day after he went to live with the couple in Lancaster, PA. Barnabus I hope you get to dance in and chase many raindrops. |
Well, the way I see it is because of lies and deceptions the DOG WAS MURDERED  Sorry if that seems harsh or insensitive but perhaps telling the truth would have put this dog in a proper home with an experienced family. Other than Janet there's not much to be proud of in this story. |
| This whole situation is just very very sad, a poor sheepie was the one that met an awful fate in the end an innocent mis-understood boy.
Janet you are amazing with all that you tried to do for poor barnabus and I am just so very sad for you too as the forces of all was against you from the start with perjury in the court case from other parties and all that happened. Maybe the only small thing that has come out of this is a lesson learnt by people, reading all that has transpired with barnabus's situation and all that he went through in his short life. RIP dear Barnabus and Janet Bless you for all that you tried to do, you are an angel in my eyes. |
jackcjjc wrote: I remember now why I like being with dogs more than I like being with some people.
Took the words right out of my mouth. |
Quote: jackcjjc wrote:
I remember now why I like being with dogs more than I like being with some people. Took the words right out of my mouth. Amen. Poor sweet baby - hope my Winston and all the other sheepies that had good earth homes are letting him know in sheepie heaven that there are humans that "are and were" great, kind, and compassionate to sheepies. |
| I feel so incredibly bad for Barnabus. I feel especially bad since I only live about 1 1/2 hours from Somerset. Janet bless you for all you did for him. This story is exactly why I prefer my 4 footed friends!!!! |
Quote: I remember now why I like being with dogs more than I like being with some people. How about more than MOST people!! Dog people are usually good but even then the dogs are often preferable! (Present company excepted.) Quote: The other incidents i spoke of on this site with all of you other than that one bite were not truthful, and were written by me just to chat and be part of a group. This was wrong and I truly apologize.
This is a great community and membership here is often very rewarding but lying is not going to earn anyone acceptance or rewards. And those lies have ultimately cost one of God's most innocent creations, sent here the teach us love, understanding and tolerance his LIFE!! As outraged as we are ultimately she will have to defend her actions to a much higher authority than us. Ron, I trust JHunt will be permanently banned from the forum! This whole incident has left me feeling somwehat responsible as well since I posted trying to help JHunt work through Barnabus' behavioural problems. From now on my standard reply will be to please turn the dog over to a rescue group who can best evaluate his/her needs and who have the best chance to find a suitable home. It is not just this incident that has made me make this decision. A very similar incident happened just this last week on the Komondor list to which I belong. A first time, unprepared owner asked for help, much was offered, another list member asked for the dog to become part of her family on a farm where he would actually have livestock to guard, others asked for the dog to be turned over to rescue. In the end a minor nip while "guarding his family and home" cost this year old dog his life. Sadly, despondent over such a thorough waste of special lives. Carl |
Carl Lindon wrote: Ron, I trust JHunt will be permanently banned from the forum!l I don't have enough info, or enough smarts, to judge who is right and who is wrong yet.Carl Lindon wrote: Sadly, despondent over such a thorough waste of special lives. Yeah. Despondent. Good word. |
| Ron,
There is an admission of lying to be part of this group. Quote: The other incidents i spoke of on this site with all of you other than that one bite were not truthful, and were written by me just to chat and be part of a group.
Not the sort of person with whom I choose to associate nor one who I think could be an asset to this forum. Regardless of what "other" information or wisdom comes from this whole sordid affair, this, to me, should be an "open and shut" case for banishment. Carl |
| I am very distressed by JHunt's post but the remedy is not quite as clear to me. I am not saying I am opposed to banning her (although I am not sure this is a vote) but some factors that might point toward keeping things open are: She didn't lie to us about the circumstances that led her to come here and get help and she did follow the advice of many on this forum to return the dog to the rescue group because he was not a good fit with her family. I don't understand what exactly her role was in the trial. She did come back and lie about the circumstances of the woman who had Barnabus murdered, but then she admitted her lies and expressed some remorse. From that post, she seems like a mixed up woman who regrets her role in this. I would definitely ban the woman who murdered Barnabus, if she were to try and join this community. And again, I am not against banning JHunt but she seems more mixed up than anything else to me. Maybe just a cautionary label above her avatar would be a sufficient deterrent to any more posts like the one that started this chain. . . |
| To all of the sweeties on this site:
Thank you all for the support during this sad time in my life. I have been sunken in a stupor for the past couple of weeks but reading all of the nice things everyone said has helped me pull myself out of that hole of bright white anger and sadness that goes clean down in your soul that accompanies careless disregard of lives and try to trudge along. And everyone isn't like that. The jerks are few, the sweethearts are many. It just seems like the jerks are larger in number because we always tend to remember the jerks with a sharper memory---because they frequently are found traveling in packs. I have run a rescue (all breeds--sometimes all breeds mixed up in one body) for both dogs and cats over the past ten years. Our group is all foster homes which has been a bonanza for the animals since they get to live in a real house, with people who fuss over them and run their tv throughout the day on Animal Planet just for them and allow them to sleep in their beds, even though they steal all of the covers. Can you imagine how many lovely people that I have met over the past ten years? They are just like you. Concerned. Caring. Kind in every action. Our rescue only ever euthanizes for painracked, cancer-ridden, beyond-any-help-whatsoever problems or for vicious dogs, who would kill a child if they were given a chance to get to them. In ten years we have only put one dog down for behavior problems. One dog in ten years. That may explain why we fought for four hours in court for Barnabus. I think every dog and every cat should have someone fight for four hours for them to have the right to live, don't you? We lost the battle this time. It was, however, the only battle that mattered to to my Barney. And that is not acceptable. I am glad that he has touched so many lives because I don't want him to ever be forgotten. This was not just about a silly little rain-loving eleven month old pup--it was about all of those babes who are killed because it is more convenient than to spend the time and the work to turn them into cool dogs that everyone would be proud of. Barnabus has made us all fill up with doubts. My doubts were: why did I believe Suzanne Hunt when she lied and lied and lied again to me? What business do I have making these judgments when I cannot even pick out a person who cannot tell the truth, no matter what. How could I have picked such a cold woman, as in Christine Hearn, to assign Barnabus to for the rest of his life? What am I doing to the animals who come my way? We have placed 2,700 animals in the past ten years. WHAT HAVE I DONE?? I need to get out and stop making these horrendous decisions. I want it all off of my conscience. Let someone else do it. Then I read what Carl wrote... Quote: This whole incident has left me feeling somwehat responsible as well since I posted trying to help JHunt work through Barnabus' behavioural problems. From now on my standard reply will be to please turn the dog over to a rescue group who can best evaluate his/her needs and who have the best chance to find a suitable home.
AND EVERY FIBER OF MY BODY WAS UP ON THEIR FEET SCREAMING, "NO, NO, NO." !!! Oh, honey, the last thing you want to do is stop helping. Why would you think, no, why SHOULD you think, that every person you spoke to is a liar??? Don't let the Suzanne Hunt's of this world color your kind spirit. I am the rescue that you are advocating for the dog to come with--and I have doubts. I don't have a wand that beeps when I wave it over the head of the people I deal with on a regular basis to tell if they are truthful or not even telling me their correct name. This whole situation has shaken all of us. And that is as it should be. Doubt and question and rethink and go slower but NEVER quit helping that person who needs you. Janet |
Valerie wrote: She did come back and lie about the circumstances of the woman who had Barnabus murdered, but then she admitted her lies and expressed some remorse. From that post, she seems like a mixed up woman who regrets her role in this
It seems to me that she only admitted her lies when they were disputed by Janet. If left to her own devices...I think she would have kept on lying. As for remorse...that only surfaced once she was forced to admit the truth. I don't think we can honestly call that remorse. It seems like another desperate act to gain sympathy from the group. It seems like she started this whole thread just to milk more sympathy from the group. I don't know if she should be banned, but I also don't know if anyone could ever believe another word she wrote again. |
Amanda P wrote: I don't know if she should be banned, but I also don't know if anyone could ever believe another word she wrote again.
I agree with that! |
| I never thought I would run in to such drama on a sheepdog forum. I must say though, that your efforts, Janet, are very admirable. I hope that people like you never give up based on the bad apples that cross our paths every now and then. Barny really got the raw end of this deal, but not because there was no one there fighting for him. Where would those other 2,700 animals be without ad adovcate like you. Please take this situation as all the more reason to keep fighting and offering as many safe alternatives and suggestions as you and us a forum can come up with. |
Carl Lindon wrote: As outraged as we are ultimately she will have to defend her actions to a much higher authority than us. Carl has hit the nail on the head here. I doubt we'll see much more of JHUNT, she knows that she won't get any sympathy from this forum and she no longer has an OES. So I'd hate to see Ron spend any of his time worrying about the "ban or not ban" debate. Quote: Doubt and question and rethink and go slower but NEVER quit helping that person who needs you.
Amen, Janet! The same thing happens in every line of charity work. There will always be people trying to take advantage of the kindness of others. But there are more people, and animals, who desperately need our help. |
| Janet, I for one am glad you reconsidered and continue to fight for our 4 footed friends. Unfortunately it will take quite a while before you feel comfortable trusting or believing again. Hopefully, JHUNT will not grace the board again, if so, I'd be in favor of a band.
I'm a relatively new member and Sheepie owner, I have received excellent advice to all my questions. Because of this Chauncey has made significant strides and is truely a pleasure in our lives. I can not believe anyone would intentionally come one this site and lie! |
| WOW THIS IS SO SAD. I FOR ONE AM HAPPY THAT SOMEONE LIKE JANET IS OUT THERE FIGHTING FOR THE GOOD GUYS. ( AND GOOD DOGS) BARNEY IS SMILING DOWN ON YOU. AS FOR THE LIAR LADY WOW. I THOUGH DOING THINGS LIKE THAT TO BE ACCEPTED WAS MORE LIKE A SIGN OF SERIOUS EMOTIONAL PROBLEMS. MY FRIEND IS A PSYCOLOGIST AND I TOLD HER OF THIS SHE SAID SOUNDS LIKE A PERSON WITH ASOCIAL TENDENCES. PEOPLE KILLER DOG KILLER ALL THE SAME TO ME. JUST PLAIN CRAZY. GOD BLESS YOU JANET! |
| Ohhhh, man. I just noticed that we all forgot something. When I first was contacted by Elissa, she gave me some old postings to read. Those postings were chock full of wonderful advice and warm, friendly ideas on how to keep a desperate mother of four with her Old English Sheepdog.
We forgot how cool you guys are. We forgot that Suzanne received post after post from you as you attempted to console and buoy her up. Not one of you gave bad advice, each one of you was truly interested in helping out a dog and a person that you hadn't ever met before. That is pretty remarkable, don't you think? You guys on this forum have got it all going on--smart, patient, cute as buttons. No wonder Suzanne wanted to be part of your group so desperately. She called me after my posting about her lying in court. We talked for awhile and then I asked Suzanne why she had done all of this. Her answer broke my heart. She said, "I wanted them to like me. You wouldn't believe the mail I got when I started talking to them about Barnabus and deciding what I would do with him. Barnabus wasn't doing anything bad enough to grab their attention so I borrowed stuff from my friends' dogs and things I had read. After all, it is the Internet, for Heaven's sake. No one expects you to tell the truth." That is her. That is what Suzanne is like. She doesn't get it. But that is not what YOU are like. You are forgetting that there have been many times that you have called an Old English Sheepdog back from the brink by the wise advice and the patient understanding that you have shown. AND YOU LITTLE DOLLS DID THAT ALL FOR A COMPLETE STRANGER!!! Are you really going to throw all of that good stuff away to be suspicious and distrustful when a REAL problem comes along. She is one of the few--you are one of the great. Janet |
| That is really sad and immature. To think that we only are interested in dogs and peoples problems is purely rediculous. Id much rather hear and see great happy pups and their owners. As far as I know, and Ive gotten to meet and talk to quite a few of the people here, they are all honest to goodness nice people!
Im sorry that she felt that way. It still breaks my heart to see the extent that she went to feel included. We would have done that anyway... |
| I hope Suzanne:
a- doesn't have upright children b- gets the mental health help she desperately needs |
| Hi,
I too felt like Carl after all the advice given to Suzanne and to have the end result go so horribly wrong. I was left feeling racked with quilt and started having doubts about my own judgement. Thanks for the words of encouragement to Carl and your invaluable advice you gave him, Janet. I know in my heart that Barnabus was not a vicious dog..and while not being idealistic over the situation at all...he needed to be given a chance. http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?t=764 That was Panda's (previously known as Robin) story and here's one of my latest post 2 years later: http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?t=8954 Rest in peace sweet Barnabus. For those of us involved in rescue, fostering or adopting a sheepie deserving of a loving home..lets keep up the good fight on behalf of these wonderful dogs. Marianne and the boys |
| Oh my gosh,
I just read her recant about Barnabas. My heart is breaking, not only for poor Barnabas but for all who care so very much for OESs and all our four legged children. Poor Janet that got caught up in the madness, and all she does and has done for her rescues. Suzanne definately needs psych help, to garner sympathy from people with terrible lies is just unconcionable. Sheepie hugs to all the furbabies and their humans Susan |
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