Major problems with potty training!
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| That's pretty standard for his age and some dogs are just harder to housetrain than others. Have a look at the House Training http://forum.oes.org/viewforum.php?f=26 section of the forum. There's a lot of great advice there.
Good luck! |
| Hi Tammypat!
I'm sure you'll get lots of great advice over the next couple of days, but I just wanted to jump in and say "Welcome to the forum!" [Also, I sent you a PM (Private Message). You can read it by making sure you're logged in, and clicking on the middle link in the second line atht eh top of every page in the forum. It'll either say "You have no new messages" or "You have 1 new message" or something like that.] Welcome! |
| Welcome! It takes patience and time, he's still pretty young yet but he'll get it sonner or later. |
| Please do read through the house training section of the forum. I think you'll find lots of good advice there and probably answer most of your questions.
But, if not, let us know and we'll try our best to help you. 
At 16 weeks, your boy is still just a baby and really can't be expected to be reliable just roaming the house. I would suggest putting up a baby gate in a room where you have some sort of easy to clean flooring and keeping him in there, if you don't want to crate train him. Then, when you have other tasks, you'll know where he is and that he's safe. If he does have an accident, it will be easier to clean. Otherwise, keep taking him out 20 minutes after he eats or drinks and as soon as he gets up from a nap. It will take lots of time, but he will eventually get it.
Be patient. When my boy was that age, if I wanted him to run around the house with me, I put a diaper on him. I thought I'd never get him trained, but eventually it did happen and now he's very reliable.
I think he was about 6-7 months old, though, before he was trained. So, keep doing all the right things, praise him like crazy when he goes outside and give him a yummy treat. Also, don't punish him for going inside. He really cannot imagine why you're upset with him. He won't associate your actions with his peeing inside unless you actually catch him in the act. Then, just scoop him up quickly and rush him outside to the designated area. Good luck & Welcome to the forum! |
| I agree with Tammy. I had a heck of a time training my Ben. Five minutes after pottying outside, he would wet in the house. Then one day when he was about 6 months old, he suddenly stopped with the accidents. It was as if a light went off in his head "Oh, so you DON'T want me to pee in the house. " He is now 1 1/2 years old and never has accidents.
Hang in there. You can always go back to crate training. It will be over in no time and they your baby can follow you everywhere. Sharon, Ben and Fozzy |
| I would keep the doors closed to the bedrooms for now, to help eliminate this behavior. It could very well be the "feeling" of the bedding. If he was crated before, and had ANY sort of bedding (towel, cushion, blanket whatever) and went on that, he may now associate the surface with a proper elimination area. To help your puppy DO NOT allow him in the bedrooms without supervision. Also make sure to wash the bedding in a enzymatic solution (nature's miracle is great) that will break up the smell. Just plain old laundry soap will leave a residue of odor that your puppy will still be able to detect (and he will continue to think... if it smells like pee, I must be able to go here!!!) So he's not psychotic, he just has the area improperly associated with an "ok" spot to go.
BE PATIENT, BE PATIENT, BE PATIENT. My puppy is over 5 months old now, and we still have some poo issues inside. he's getting it but it is a slow process for some of these guys! |
| OOOps! I accidentally deleted a message from "guest" with the following text: Quote: I apprciate all the good advice and I will keep trying. Just one more thing. Why the pooping and peeing on the beds? Do any of you find that odd? I've been around all diffrent kind of breeds and never experience this. I mean hes not lying on the bed and goes. He will walk down the hallway into our rooms jump on the bed and pee and even poop! I just think it it very bizzare. I was thinking he might have mental problems of some sort. Has anyone experience this behavior? Sorry about that! |
Lol. I'm sure he's no crazier than any of our dogs.  Some just pick a nice soft spot that they like and stick with it. Unfortunately, yours picked the bed! |
Sorry being so late in posting this. 
Yes, we adopted a sheepie last September from NEOESR. She did the same thing but she was 11 months old... she pooped/peed on the chaise lounge and on the bed.  After a year, I believe I understand what at least part of the problem was. When puppies are crated too long or too often, they are never given the opportunity to learn proper "boundries and limitations" (as Cesar would say ). If you think about it, I think it really makes sense. We are my sheepie-girl's third home, not including the Humane Society she stayed at for about a month. It was also said that she went to work with her 2nd owner and stayed in a drying cage during the day.
It sounds to me like this sweet boy has simply missed out on the proper training that should have started at 8-9 weeks of age... just like my Panda. Some people resort to excessive crating to control a puppy/dog instead of training them because it's much easier but they later find they have made a huge mistake. Instead of an untrained 20 pound puppy, they now have an untrained 80 pound dog. I've used crates on all of my puppies up until they reach about 6 months of age. At night or if they could not be properly supervised, they were kenneled-up. But it was a happy place to be, not a negative one. It was never used for punishment. I personally think it can harm or delay a puppy's developement if they are crated too long or for the wrong reasons. I believe in allowing puppies limited access to the house while supervised 100% of the time. We start with the kitchen and my work room because they have tiled floors and are easy to clean... but we make frequent trips outdoors in order to prevent accidents. Only when we are able to watch them, like when relaxing in the living room, do we allow them out there to play. But we constantly watch for the signs of an impending accident... sniffing, circling, etc. and if we see this, we tell them no! then scoop them up and head for the door. They are also taken outside when they first awaken from a nap, immediately after eating, in the middle of play periods, when they've gotten too excited, etc. Since this pup had been crated way too long, you have to start out like he's an 8 week old puppy... he has not learned proper house rules. These have to be taught because they don't come naturally. You cannot give him free run of the house until he proves himself to be reliable (meaning no peeing/pooping in the house or chewing on inappropriate items). Another thing is when a puppy goes outdoors to potty, I take them on a leash and give them the command to "do your business". If you simply put them outdoors for extended periods of time, they don't learn the real reason for being out there... to relieve themselves outdoors. A previous vet had told us the importance of this... he said, "Some morning your going to be in a hurry and want the dog to potty and get back in the house so you can leave. They need to learn this command. It's worked for all of mine, even Panda. After they pottied, they were let off-leash (fenced-yard) to play for a bit before heading back inside. I still make them potty first before they are allowed to play in the other part of the yard. A simple command like, "uh-uh... do your business" will send them back to the "fence". Also, we pick up the water by 7pm every night, then put it back down by 5am. We do not free-feed but rather feed scheduled meals because if you control what goes in, you will control what comes out (to some extent anyway). Quote: I was thinking he might have mental problems of some sort. I know first hand how frustrating this situation can be. Panda is actually very intelligent, she adores people, she's exuberant in just about everything she does and she learns so fast (another part of Panda's story is separation anxiety). So what appears to be a "dumb dog" is often simply an untrained dog.
Anyway, I think the key is to start training an older, untrained puppy just like he's a brand new 8 week old puppy. You might also get him into an obedience class unless you're training daily at home. It sounds like he's missed out on a lot. Good luck! |
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