an update on harvey's problems..He might need a new home...

I know everyone says it is puppy behavior but I am not so sure... he is not biting to play ( well of course sometimes he is but thta's not what I am complaining about).. he is biting to attack!! It;s aggressive and angry!!! I think there's something wrong with him... we have him in obedience classes.. we are trying everything... but my 2 yr old can't be near him and if i am with her and not him he screams without stopping EVER! He won't walk on a leash even when we take him to the park... he just wants to sit so getting his energy out is even a chore... And as if my 2 children and harvey were not enough of a problem I just found out I am pregnant.. WE have to decide now if we need to find another home for him because I want him to bond with whoever has him... I feel like crying ... this is just breaking my heart. :(
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I'd just like to add that we are with him all day... he might spend an hour a day in his crate.. sometimes he is in the house with us all day!!! He is not alone or neglected any way!!!
Hi,

I'm so sorry to hear things aren't working out. I hope you don't feel insulted but you're probably right regarding placing him with someone else. Not that you haven't tried but with a young child and another on the way - sounds like this would be added stress that you don't need.

You tried and no one can fault you for that. What's important to remember is to give him up now would provide him with much more opportunity to get adopted than if he were older. You'd be doing him a favor too.

I'm not sure what area you are from but there are many rescues groups that will help you out and making sure he goes to the best home possible. Keep in touch and let us know.

Hugs to you
Marianne
I can't bear the thought of a rescue mission-- he'd be caged all day and he HATES his cage!!!


Wouldn't it be betetr to put an addin the paper and meet whoever is going to take him.. then he could go from one house to another???

I am so sad....
Didn't you just purchase him as a puppy? Most breeders would be very happy to take the puppy back if it won't work out. Actually it is normally in the purchase contact. They would be the best people to find a new family for him.
I have to agree with Bosleys Mom, if he came from a breeder maybe talk to them about the problems and see if the breeder can help you to re-house him. Most reputable breeders are only too happy to help out in situations as they usually like to keep track of the puppies they have bred and try to help find a new appropriate home.

That way he can go from one home to a new one.
If he didn't come from a breeder, please contact the nearest OES rescue group to you.

Please do not put an ad in the paper. People can be very deceiving when they need to be. A rescue group has the experience in placing a particular dog with new owners...
Sometimes placing a dog in rescue is in the best interest of the dog and is a selfless act... you're actually putting the dog first before your own feelings. It's tough to do and I admire someone who can bring themselves to do it.

I really would not put an ad in the newspaper because you don't know who will get him... and if he doesn't work out for them, they may not take the care in placing him again that you did. I'd also check with the breeder first to see if they will assist you.

If that is not an option, one of the positives of an OES rescue is that they should know the breed. Verify that they keep in touch with the adoptive families and that he will be returned to the rescue if it doesn't work.

Sheepies are sometimes strong willed beasties but with consistant but kind handling they can often be made to conform. And don't feel bad about having him learn to accept a crate/kennel. When presented as a place where all meals are fed, special treats are given, nice toys suddenly appear and a dark cover is placed over it (so it resembles a "den" like in the wild) they often covet the place for reasonable durations after just a short time. All of my dogs were crate trained for 6 months and it was a thing they looked forward to.

Please consider a rescue... an Old English Sheepdog rescue specifically. Dogs are fostered in loving homes until the right family comes along... many have experience with sheepies and training can often begin right away. I'm not sure where you're from but you might contact Grannie Annie with New England OES Rescue to see if she can help.

NEOESR Placement Director, Annie Raker
email: grannie.annie@neoesr.org
Hotline: 781-259-8173

We adopted Panda from NEOESR and Annie was very supportive and keeps in touch. If there is anything I can do via long distance, please let me know. I am very sorry this has been difficult for you and your family.
Delai8- I know you're worried about "caging" occuring at a rescue- but most OES rescues are not like pounds, where the dog has to stay in a kennel all day long, most of them have foster situations, where a dog is housed with someone in their home, with other pets until their "furever" family adopts them.

Have you taken little Harvey to any kind of training? Sometimes it's amazing what a little bit of structured training and puppy play time can do for behavior. Before you try to rehome your pet, I'd advise at least trying one class. (This from the lady whose hand currently has puncture marks from my 11 week old boy Pippin- I can't wait for puppy kindergarten to start!)

Also- please do talk to your breeder- most of them would be very upset if one their puppies went to a rescue without them attempting to try to rehome the dog. I know my breeder would be!
I have been reading your post and the replies. I was once in a similar situation and I know how hard it can be. It sounds like you are going to have your hands full soon.

If you decide to keep him I would advise you to keep up with the obedience school, and the crate training. The crate really does become a place of refuge when little ones get to be too much for the dog. Is your yard secure? When my dog gets too rowdy in the house I put him outside for a "time out". He soon learned that when I told him to settle and he didn't and I said, "O.K. let's go outside then" He would calm right down rather than be away from his people. But I only gave him one warning. The very next time EVERY TIME I would put him out. He was not aggressive or biting, he would get excited and exhibit "inappropriate male behavior"

When my children were small we had our very first OES and she was just like one of the kids. I raised her from a puppy and loved her dearly. When she was about four years old she attacked my daughter and pinned her to the ground. My daughter was five years old at the time and I also had a three year old and a 7 year old. I had to find a new home for Nessie. I just couldn't ever trust her alone with the kids again. I cried for days, but as much as it hurt it was not as bad as what could have happened to one of my kids. I found her a home with a family that had two teenagers and she was very happy there. I was priveliged to stay in touch with them and visit occasionally.

If you decide that Harvey is too much at this time, please do contact your breeder first. I just adopted a dog in January from a girl that was going through a divorce and couldn't keep her dog, I had been in contact with the breeder waiting for a puppy when she contacted me and asked if I would consider a young adult instead. The breeder came along with the girl and the dog to my house to check it out and meet our family.

Good luck whatever you decide.

We are all pulling for you.

Paula
delia8 & harvey kinkl wrote:
I can't bear the thought of a rescue mission-- he'd be caged all day and he HATES his cage!!!


Wouldn't it be betetr to put an addin the paper and meet whoever is going to take him.. then he could go from one house to another???

I am so sad....


I'm really sorry you are going through this. It is obvious that you are struggling to find the right outcome for both Harvey and your children.

I agree with the posts re contacting the breeder first, but if that doesn't work, I hope you will reconsider rescue organizations as an option. I got both of my dogs through rescue and they were never caged at all. After Chummie's owner died, she was cared for in her own home by relatives that were unable to keep her longterm while a rescue coordinator looked for a placement. Maggie was fostered by a family with several sheepdogs and she had quite a good time living with them. Rescue volunteers are willing to put in alot of time and effort to be sure to find a family that is a good longterm fit.
Dixie's certainly not complaining....and I don't think anyone is feeling sorry for her being in foster care with a rescue organsation..

Although after this morning's escapades, I should have been the one getting some pity...
I should have mentioned that our Bailey Boy came from a rescue here in Northern Cal and he was 5 when we adopted him. He was fostered with a member of the OES club here with her sheepdogs that she shows and competes in herding trials with. He took over the lounge chair in her back yard and thought he was king of the castle. My husband and I were traveling in a semi working at race tracks at the time and he hopped right into the sleeper and took over our bed and went on the road with us for two years. He is 11 years old now and has just lost his sight. But he is still pampered and much loved.
Delie8,
Sorry to hear about your problem with Harvey. I hope you find the best solution for him.

Kenya
Sorry to hear you are going through all this, its such a difficult time, but if you truly feel he is best re-homed then you need to do what is best for the dog - but please contact the breeder, they will definately find him a suitable home. Thinking of you - let us know what you do.
Hi,

I am busy training my own 2 right now and certainly have certain things to WORK on. I have a brother and sister 13 weeks old now.
BUT.... what you describe as attacking in a mean way or biting and growling is definitely PUPPY play. My two play like this all day, growling, wrestling, biting, chasing, sometimes seems like they are killing one another LOL but it is the way they play and learn.

We do when they roughhouse to much put a damper on it and say settle down, but your pup is apparently trying to play with your child like he would a canine sibbling.

I hope you can find a good home for him, or work it out as he is just a baby. :D

Hang in there, I'm sure if you must find him a home the Rescue is the BEST thing to do. They will see he gets an awesome home.

Best Wishes
Our "baby" didn't really nip, he just would growl at me and our kids, couldn't potty train, wouldn't listen. But we have a really great vet who suggested a book call Super Puppy. It is very small and paper back, at most 30 pages. This has helped tremdously! It only cost around $8. (He still barks ALOT, just doesn't act at all aggressive!) We went from thinking that we couldn't handle him, to getting a female to go along with him! :D
hi delia,
I am currently waiting on oes rescue list with a lady called Kath Coggins (north east england) if you still have problems with harvey and decide to put him into rescue you can email me or call recue centre on 0191 4109733.
Hope you get sorted Paul & Amanda Mitchell
My Phoebe aggressively would attack the other dog. My neighbor brother is a K 9 trainer. She was with him for three days that was four months ago and has completely changed. This may work for you
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