I live in s.c. and have not logged on for several days. The dog did go to a new home but could have been put to sleep. I would not have forgiven myself, being this close to him.
Is it possible to start a new forum topic for those of us that are willing to foster, rescue, or transport oes in need of help??
I know most oes rescue groups probably have this, but why not here??
It could be something as simple as by state those who are willing to help.
You could mark foster only, adoption possible, transport across state. Any thing to help
It could be private for members and I know I would list my phone # and e mail, so that someone could have called me or sent an e mail.
This system could help oes to find homes faster or even leave a shelter just one or two days sooner than they did. ........I'm sure not all oes leave shelters with a new family....If you know what I mean !!
|I think that is a fantastic idea!!!
How do we go about making that list?
|perhaps we can implore the mighty Ron and Stacey to make a sticky where we all indicate what area we are from and how willing we are to take in a rescue, i know that should ease things for Shug (Kaye) and a few others who love finding dogs homes.|
|This is a great idea!!!|
|very good idea. count me in!|
|Hannah, I think that is a terrific idea. People want to help and don't know what to do sometimes.... Helping with transporting, pulling from a shelter, home checks, fostering for short and long term..... Believe me it WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE helping to save a Helpless Creature...... Where is the Suggestion Box? Kaye Second Chance OES Rescue|
|Kaye, just for the record, I will be happy to help with fostering, removing from shelter, etc. in Alabama. Just let me know and count me in.|
|count me in. I would be very willing to help with fostering/ tranpsorting. Am currently in east TN (may be moving to Nashville area) but willing to help if I can.|
|Maybe if Ron could help us, we could just list it by each state. That way everyone could find there state and list the info that will be needed.
If a dog needs help in, let's say S.C., then bring up S.C. and there would be all willing members info.
Just an idea
Maybe if Ron could help us, we could just list it by each state.
Drop-down list boxes are soooooo 20th century. You need a searchable database of people, cities and phone numbers (or email addresses) and a Google Map interface so you can work out who you need to contact for what legs of the journey from A to B.
Solving problems like these is what I do every day at work. Shouldn't be too tricky to do with MySQL and Apache/PHP.
|I think we could do it like Stacey did with the birthdays thread. Put in
our forum names, and states with maybe things we are willing to do
in some abbreviated way. That way it is all easily available to all, and
all in one place and then Ron doesn't have to add or change yet
another thing for us. Just a thought.
|There are four rescue contacts for South Carolina.
Belinda & Pete Lamm
Michelle Redfern, DVM
They are listed on this site as rescue contacts. These are good people, all committed to helping these dogs.
The rescue organizations are desperate for help with transportation, fostering, and evaluations. Please considering volunteering instead of possibly undermining their efforts and doing this on your own.
|Perhaps people don't want to be formally involved with one of the formal rescues, and perhaps the formal rescues could use this site as just another one of their resources?
I've stayed out of this thread for this long on purpose, to see what others have to think and what creative ideas 1300 members can conjure up.
Why not let people think this through rather than try to force everyone to think inside the box? Who knows? They may even decide that it would be better to do as you suggest.
Clearly, I'm not against the current organizaed rescues; I've worked with them and for them and republish the list that NEOESR maintains of volunteers. But there may be some good ideas lurking out there!
I don't know who you are, but I can tell that you care -- just like I do. So let's let the folks think things through!
|Thanks! I was thinking that a good place to put this would be in the Memberlist. A column could possibly be added (if software allows) in which members would insert what type of volunteering they would be interested in. However, I just took a look at the Memberlist and the location can't really be sorted in any useful manner. I had been thinking that if someone was looking for rescue assistance, they could sort by the state. This would require some more feedback from you, Ron.|
|I can sort it in other ways, too, I think. It'd take me some time to do it, but I think it's doable.
Just Wondering if you've seen this list:
Would a simple page like this be too complicated?
Would a simple page like this be too complicated?
That's an oxymoron. Looks good to me!
|Simple is good.
I like Ron's suggestion as it doesn't discriminate between those who belong to a rescue organization and those who choose not to.
Something to keep in mind is that the larger groups usually require membership in their organization to be covered by insurance when doing work for the Rescue. Most usually have a 501(c)(3) status, which makes funds to them tax-deductible and more attractive to the donor.
In Indiana, we're assembling a network of interested OES owners for the purpose of rescue. It's not as easy as it would seem, even working with a large, well-established Rescue as is the case here.
A published list of people who want to help would be a great resource. I think breaking it down into categories such as who can do home checks, transportation, fostering or adoption would be helpful.
|Think this through carefully. One of the reasons I got out of rescue was the liability issue.|
I think it's a great idea, however their may be a problem regarding "springing a sheepie" from a shelter. I tried this with Riviera some time back and they wouldn't release him to me as I wasn't a organized rescue. In my area a dog from the shelter varies between 100 to 180 dollars, depending on the shelter involved. I was cash strapped at the time or would have got him the first day. I now wish I had just lied as they also get you to sign a document saying you won't give them away for at least one year, although I was honest with them and told them of my intentions of getting him down to Kaye or others possibly. Rivera eventually went to a foster home and I felt complacent he was at least okay for the time being. However, he was returned and we know what his final outcome was. How I regret not getting him and will forever live with the guilt. I'm only writing about this experience in case others come across this problem.
We could possibly work on "behalf" of an organized rescue and that would possibly eliviate any of the following problems. However, in my case the rescue up here didn't get involved with Riveria as he was sheepie X so again it may not always have to be a strictly OES rescue.
I would be quite willing to put my name up to help whenever I can.
Tell me where to sign up!
Marianne and the boys
|Marianne makes a good point. Unless you are willing to lie and say you are giving the dog a home, then they won't just hand over a dog. Also, if you DO lie and say you are giving him a good home, what happens when you have to do it again?
Better to do everything legit.
If you are interested in doing rescue for OES, or any dog for that matter, you can sign up as a volunteer with your own shelters and humane societies. You can even specify with them what breeds you want to deal with, and how far you are willing to go, how long you are willing to foster, or if you just want to be contacted so you can direct people interested in that breed to go to the shelter and adopt.
Also, when you foster legitimately, the organization you work with usually pays most or all expenses, vet bills, grooming, food etc. Though in our case, the food they would send out is whatever gets donated, so I never accept that food I just feed a foster whatever my own dogs are being fed at my own expense.
You also have the option of signing up with your national breed club, OESCA for the USA, or OESOCC for Canada, and let them know you want to help with rescue.
Of course, being a member of one of the already organized rescue organizations is a great way to go too. They already have a well established network of contacts all over the continent.
Lastly, we *could* form our own "rescue network"
We do have a very diverse membership, people all over the world who love OES enough to spend many (too many in my case?) hours here at oes.org and we never seem to run out of things to talk about! LOL
However, to be effective, I think it needs to be organized and legitimate.
|I think hooking up with a rescue is the way to go. They are always looking for helpers in any number of activities: those who go to shelters and ID the dog as being a sheepdog, transporters, fosters, groomers, people to man information booths at dog events, office work, newsletters, etc.
I can't speak for all rescues, but several are very, very territorial. They resent any group that forms within their imagined boundry. So better to work with them in some capacity than to end up on their "s" list.
|Which is precisely why some of us do not care in the least to be involved
with some of the established rescues.
I don't think anyone in this thread intends to undermine anyone.
Speaking only for myself, I would be totally willing to give whatever
time or resources or transportation I can to help, but I do
not wish to be formally involved with the rescues in my area.
It seems to me, some of us would be happy to help, but every time
we offer help or resources we get slapped down, Unless I
am ready and willing to donate $$$, they don't even want to know
my name. In my mind that isn't always in the best interest of
the dogs. Being rude or short or difficult is not good business
sense, no matter what the situation. It makes people like me not
quite as eager to help! And IMO that is why a list like this is so
helpful. I certainly have no intention of lying or doing anything
deceptive to get a dog from proper authorities. I am beginning to
see a greater divide between some in the "legit rescues" and
those of us who just want to help.
We have a really fantastic group of people here who have their hearts
in the right places. Rescues included. But for the few dogs who do slip
through the cracks, I think we could be of some valuable help. Even if
we only could help with a few dogs it would be worth it.
Also there are often members here who need transport or some other
knd of help. Even in that capacity, there would be at least a starting
point for the person in need.
Certainly just my opinion- I speak for nobody by myself, and not in reference to anyone in particular. Just my observations.
|I understand, believe me (scratching a few previous back stabs myself.) The lady who took over my rescue fled from a large OES rescue group because of the way she was treated.
Helping one another is fine. If a member here needs assistance and I can help, great.
You are right about the $$. But it only takes one dog who needs immediate medical attention to bankrupt a rescue. Most rescues are constantly skating the line between keeping their doors open and not.
|I certainly understand that many are strapped! I am all for funding those
rescues that come upon difficult and costly cases. I'm sure you
understand that. Those kinds of smaller rescues are not really what I
was thinking about when I last posted. They are grateful for help of
almost any sort. There is something that sort of smacks of elitism
or something quite like it, where some have tried to give help. I am
kind of going in circles here, I just don't want to be misunderstood.
What it really comes down to is, I am willing and ready to help if I am
needed but I will not get formally involved with a rescue.
I have enough stress in my life!
Keep it simple, staightforward, I will help if I can. I'm really
not trying to be disagreeable. I just don't want a potentially good idea
to get smacked down because someone perceives that toes might get stepped on.
And too - gotta remember some things don't translate well into type!
The way I read things or the way I am read may give a different
tone to what was really meant.
It's a shame the legal problems that get in the way. Wouldn't it be
great if there wasn't a need for this? I only wish...
|...But think of all the attorneys who would be out of work!!
I understand. It's why I try not to become involved in running anything anymore. Give me a task, but don't ask me to run the organization.
|I run a rescue organisation and have about 10 dedicated volunteers. Some only foster, some only do home visits or assessments, and some do whatever is needed. Each and everyone is valued for what they do because it is all volunteer. There are also a few people we have who are not committed volunteers, but are ready to help if the group we have is unable to complete a task, and they are. This is great, and anytime we have one of these people involved we always have one of the dedicated ones to do the hand-holding and guidence, so they are not left feeling alone. And that would be for simple tasks such as "meet this car at this coffee shop at this time, exchange the dog and then drive it to this address"...But we would rather have folks work along side us for a bit, first, to get a feel for how we do things.
Jeez, the first time I ever did a transport I never thought that the dog would not want to stay with me ( a complete stranger at the time) and when I got out of my car at the meeting place he jumped out, ran past me and took off across the parking lot, right next to a busy road! Nobody told me to tether or crate him, because a dog might bolt..duhh...We were able to catch him, fortunately. The person meeting me must have thought I was a complete idiot, and it almost cost me the dog's life.
|the reason for this thread was not so much to skip the middle man in rescuing as it was intended to let people know faster when there is a sheepie in need of rescue in a member's immediate area if said member is looking to adopt.
ex: if clifton park SPCA (2 blocks from my house) had a sheepie and had to "humanely euthanize it" because nobody wanted, i'd be heartbroken if i didn't know.
i think a few members like hannah just wanted a personal notification that there was a dog in need in their /our area.
THEN we can pursue this through the rescues, that's how i took it, obviously if they don't want to give the dog to the member, that's their perogative.
additionally, if someone could edit the posts in "DOGS IN TROUBLE" or "rescuing a sheepdog" to be state first (ex. SC, male OES in need) it may be more attn grabbing.
|You said it Ed!!
I wouldn't mind helping out rescue groups, but I also want to help sheepdogs that might be passed over.
|Boy Howdy have a learned some lessons the hard way. I never wanted to run a rescue...I won't go into details but had it dumped on me.. The combination of Stuborness and Defiance I was going to prove that I could make it a success.No matter What or Who I had against me... So I thought everytime a Baby in Need turned up I had to Save it. It didn't make any difference where the Baby was at. I wanted to Save those Babies that no one else would take..... So I was running all over the country like a Chicken With It's Head Cut Off saving Babies...... I don't regret that at all..... But, I have had to realize that I can't save them all.. I had never made a decision based on Money...... Well Hello Old Women!!!!!!!!! Not even counting the expemse of driving thousands of miles to get them....The expense of feeding them, medical bills is tremendous..... The young Babies you can find Furever Homes for and recoup some of your expences......Those Older Babies that are not adoptable is another story...... But, that is Where My Heart Is...... So I just March To A Different Drummer!!!!!! There is no Right Way or Wrong Way to Rescue..... You just have to use some common sence and realize your limitations.... and surround yourself with people that you can trust..... I think it is terrific that people are wanting to help rescue.....But, you have to be prepared.... Probally fostering is the hardest to do.Because you never know what problems the Baby might have....Shelters don't or won't tell you about the problems...Owners that don't want them anymore Lie about why they are getting rid of them... Bringing a Rescue in can totally disrupt your household....So it isn't easy and can be dangerous...You have to be prepared for all of those problems....I don't care how big the rescue is they still need help....... I will get out Of My Drama Queen Mode now....Sheepie Hugs, Kaye|
|Even though I too have been "slapped in the face" by a rescue organization, I would be more than willing to foster or do home checks in my area. I know that there are risks involved, but hey, I drive over an hour each way to and from work. Having another sheepie in the house couldn't be too much more dangerous than that .|
|Don't forget about how hard it is to give them up once you've taken one in for fostering.|
|Ron, you are right about having to give one up after fostering. Maybe I am secretly hoping to find a furever home for another furbaby or two at my house. The hubby is as big a sucker as I am when it comes to those big black noses and beautiful eyes.|
|Hi I am w/ OES Rescue Network http://oesrescuenetwork.org/
We would love to add any of those willing to help to our volunteer list.
Please email me. We would be too glad for your help & offer ours whenever it's needed.
Marian, i always wondered what happened to Riveria. You did your best! sue
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Thanks for those kind words but I constantly think of Riviera. It broke my heart as to his fate. I posted in the Rainbow Bridge forum regarding him and should I ever buy the acreage and fulfill my lifelong dream of taking in more aged pets I will name it in his honor.
Anyone here that needs my help in any way please never hesitate to email me and I will try to help in any capacity.
Marianne and the boys
Sue - sign me up!
I think it's a great idea for those of us who want to participate. Like Marianne, I'm also available if anyone needs my help at this end of the country . Just contact me and I'll do what I can. Sue, please put me on your list too.
Uncle Pete .
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