Potty Training????

My puppy is adorable! But our potty training is not going well. He just does not get it! He potties when we go outside and & say "go potty." And then I give him a treat--which he has come to expect... But he also potties inside whenever he pleases -- right in front of me. I tell him no and take him outside. At what age should I expect him to "catch on" to this? I know he is just a baby--actually-12 weeks old. Is this too soon for him to get this down? I just don't think we are making any progress at all. I so hoped to get him trained before the little puddles turn into large puddles. Any suggestions? And, especially, am I expecting too much from this young of a sheepdog? Thanks so much!
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I think your little guy is just too little right now to catch on. I am in the same boat with my 12 month old. But just to give you some words of support, you will slowly see him "get it". Be patient. My guys still goes in the house, but most often it's because I'm not keeping an eye on him. But he has started to go more towards the door (if you can call that progress) and does meander towards the door a couple of times before he does go. So I think you will start to see a change soon. But it will still take some time (I sound patient in this message but at times at get frustrated as well and don't know why he goes on the floor when he just was out 5 minutes before).
felix was still piddling all over the place at 12 weeks, but now at 5 months he's perfectly housetrained. it happened in spurts - we would think he wasn't progressing at all, and then suddenly he would realize he has to ask to go out/be able to hold it noticably longer/etc. and then there would be a plateau, until the next big discovery!

hang in there!
Drake is nine weeks old and with the potty training issue we have some good days and some bad days,today has been a good day. This is what I have been told to do and I am modifying it to suit my life style. First the vet suggested feeding Drake three times a day and not keeping water in his bowl at all times unless it is really hot and he has been very active. Drake will go to his bowl when he is thirsty and I will give Drake a drink I just take him out afterwards. I then take Drake out after he eats and drinks (it seems it runs straight through him). Next I am crate training Drake at night. I do have to get up with Drake at about 4:00 or 5:00 in the morning because he has to go to the bathroom. I then play quitly play with Drake for a few minutes and then he goes back in until I am ready to get up. This seems to teach Drake that he can hold it instead of just going a little at a time all the time. I do make sure I take Drake out before he goes in the crate and right after he naps. The crate training works wonders with the chewing issue but that for another behavior issue. Drake does not seem to mind the crate (I think it bothers me more). He will wake every once in a while whining and I just reasure Drake I am there and everything is o k and he goes back to sleep. I am told this should only last a few nights. For now I am sleeping on the couch next to Drakes crate because my hubby has to go to work. Tonight I am hoping to sleep in my bed :lol:

Hope this helps! I will let you know how it goes here.
above was from me I was idle to long
Hey Everyone!! Thanks so much for the encouragement and the ideas. I know Tux is young and I must be very patient with him. We are working on the crate training. At night...I take him out before putting him in his "house" and he can go as long as 8 hours. Usually, we are up by 5:30--and he potties and is then ready to play. So, my day is beginning rather early. Today he pottied on the floor several times--and also outside several times. I know he knows it is not a good thing to potty on the floor--because as soon as I see it--he will go the other direction. I just go to him and say something like: Yuck! Tux! Not nice... And then we go outside and try again.... It really is frustrating though--to stand outside in the cold or rain for 10 minutes or so and then come in and he goes on the floor within 5 minutes. But....we will keep trying. He is so sweet--and, as you all know--just too cute for words! Thanks for the help. This is a great site!
Lucy is 1Yr old and does great when we are home. However, When we are gone she makes the biggest messes. I am seriously thinking about crating her but I hate to do it for many reasons. She obviously knows what to do and just doesn't?!
Hi Lucy:

Like you, my husband and I were resistant to crates at first. Finally after much frustration with the house training and chewing we broke down and got one for each of our dogs (an OES and an American Eskimo - both about the same age).

Basically we put the dogs in the crates when we were at work or unable to supervise them directly. We made sure that either one of us or a friend was able to let them out every 4 hours when we were at work. When we were home they were out of the crates. It was incredible. Both dogs were completely house trained within 2-3 weeks after we started using the crates.

We were going to give the crates away after the dogs were a couple of years old but noticed that the dogs went in them when they were tired. Our sheepie would actually pull the door closed after him if he didn't want to be bothered. So the crates are now part of our living room furniture. We just leave the doors open and the dogs go in and out as they please.
Hi Jennifer...that is so funny that your sheepie goes in and pulls the door shut! Tux (my baby sheepie) will go in by himself--but he lays half in and half out. He likes sleeping in there, I think. It is his house! These dogs have such great personalities. Actually, I think they are all little clowns! What fun! If we can just get the potty training down......
Merlin is four months old. We got him about three weeks ago. We've been trying to teach him to potty outside the apartment. We've been dilligently bringing him out to the garden almost every one and a half hours. He gets the hang of going on the grass, but there would be times he would come home and potty anywhere in the house minutes after coming back from the garden. He is able to hold it at night from 11pm till 6am, but in the day, it seems he doesn't really get the idea that he should only go when he's outside.

I do recognise we've made some progress cos he now only poos in the garden...he used to do it in the apartment in the first week...and he had diarrhea too!

I read most of your messages and your pups are mostly around 12 weeks old. Merlin is older and I recognise that he has not been trained before he came to us.

I am wondering if those of you who have successfully house-trained your dogs could offer some procedural advice on what you did (eg. how often did you let your dog out? do you let him drink as much water as he likes?). I am sure the rest of us who are still busy wiping floors would definitely appreciate the help!
My little girl is ten weeks old on tuesday, and when i got her at 7 weeks she did very well at housetraining, i took her out often so there were few opportunities for her to piddle in the house, and she has always held it all night, she has never had an accident at night. I had problems getting her to eat the first week, so i ended up free feeding her, she still doesn't eat enough, but it had to be that way, 3 times a day just wasn't working. she always has water in her bowl, untill about 8pm. She still holds it all night, but piddles in the house more foten, I think it's more our fault though, not paying as much attention to the time, instead of taking her out every hour or two, it's more like three hours and sometimes that is too long. She is just a baby though, so although I will do my best to teach her that outside is the place to go, I fully expect to be mopping up puddles for at least another 2 months. Patience is the key :)
You are right of course...patience..patience..patience. Also, what you said about the eating. EVERYTHING I have read and everyone I have talked to tells me not to free feed. However, it is the same with Tux as you have. He just does not stand there and gobble his food. If I take it away, he won't eat enough. So, I have resorted to leaving it down. That way, he will eat when he wants and he doesn't overeat -- because I won't give him too much. I do limit the water--if he is constantly drinking--and like you said==I take it away entirely around 8:00. I wonder if the thing about not leaving the food out is because so many of the sheepies will gobble it all down real fast and just eat & eat? I don't know. But I was just afraid he would be hungry.
Not leaving the food out all day long, after a pup's about 4-6 months, is a great way to keep control of who is the alpha or leader. It gives the dog a reason to respect you and is a great way to get a handle on any "leadership/discipline issues" before they start. (Actually you can start this when they are 8 weeks old, but you have to feed the pup at least 3 times a day. We fed Abbi four times a day until she was about 5 months old).
To actually take full advantage of your role, you should make the dog sit before allowing it to eat. And make sure it gets use to you fooling with its bowl while it is eating. Start by making him sit for a better treat while he is eating, taking away the food and giving the treat. Then have him sit again and give back the food. Make sure it is all a positive experience.

Limiting when the food is available also keeps the food "fresh", as in it isn't just something that is always there. The dog doesn't take it for granite. It will keep the dog from getting bored and refrain from eating out of boredom (like I do).
It will set routines, such as BM's and drinking, sleeping, ...
You will know exactly how much the dog ate.
It keeps a dog from hoarding. Abbi actually picks up several pieces of her food and tries to hide it under the carpet if it is left out. She is saving it for later.
It keeps ants, rodents and pests at bay.

As for potty training; it sounds like everyone here has had their experiences. Everyone seems to have great advice! Guess I will add mine.
Make sure the dog doesn't get confused on what you want and praise it when it does go outside. Abbi knows if I open the door and say go be a good girl, she is going to be outside until she does something. Even at 5 years old she hates to go out in the rain, so I usually have to go our with her. I bought some old rubber boots and we just go for a walk -- she always pees on a walk. And I always praise her.
Bm's are another issue. She has to go off by herself for those, but she will do so after the walk. I guess it is because she is already wet and can feel the need.
Good luck and keep up the persistence. FYI: No! doesn't work. The dog just thinks you don't want it to EVER pee. Sort of makes another problem.
Submissive urination in puppies is common. If a pup puddles in front of you, you may look up information on submissive behaviors and see it that's the problem. It is one of those issues that has to be "worked" on from a different angle.
Persistence and trying different methods usually solves most potty training issues. And yes, it is an on-going process.
Thanks for all the good info! And--I love Abbey "working on the computer!"
Thank you all for your great advise. I am following it and will let you know. We just got Lucy about a month ago and it turns out she had a bacteria infection which has not helped. My carpet will need to be replaced once we get past this. I did get a crate yesterday and have to put it together. I love this site! I can say that I have already made many mistakes, like letting her sleep with me. My son started it and she takes up the whole bed. I am ready to crate her though and get past this stage. She looks alot like Marlin and Thumper looks like a rabbit that was browm and went swimming in black paint. Thanks for all your input!
Although Pisco doesn`t sleep in the bed he is permited to get on it...but he always has to ask for permition to get on it....I have taught him to put his paw on the bedif he wants to get on it....and it works....
But I realized that he thinks Iam the "alpha" around since if we are in bed (my hubby and me) and he asks for permition and is aloud he tries to move Cris away from me so he can be near.....and forget about Cris trying to kiss me if he`s around..he goes ballistic about it...he has to kiss me too....he doesn`t get ruff or agressive just wants to be part of the fun.
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