OES Rescue Help
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| Hi and welcome to the forum!
Perhaps they put something on his coat to try to calm down the itching? |
| They told me that he was a very stinky dog. They gave him a bath but the smell still came back and I think that has something to do with the oils. He has a white head and black body and you can see sun damage on some of his coat. They told me that the groomer recommended some oatmeal shampoo to use, but I have yet to hear how that worked out (I think he was going to be bathed again sometime this week). His coat isn't matted at all. Do you think he just got bad hair from being outside for who knows how long and that I should shave him down to get rid of the bad hair and start new? I just don't know what to do. I really want this dog but will not be able to take him with the odor and oily coat. |
| The odor could be partly from his ears.
Other than the fact it's the dead of winter here in the Northern Hemisphere, I would shave him all the way down.... Where abouts are you, in a cold location? You can still have him cut down to an inch and a half or two inches, then bundle him up in a sweater and a coat when he needs to go potty, but it's a tough time of the year to be shaved. There could be so many different things going on, it's really hard to tell without seeing him and his coat, and his behavior. How long is his coat now? |
| Being a little new to this forum, I do not know how to insert a picture with the email. If you gave me your email address, I could send you the two pictures that I was given.
I do feel bad shaving him down. I live in Ohio and Ohio is cold. If I do shave him down a little bit, and his coat is still oily, what do you think it could be? I have been researching and have no answer. The vet checked him out all over - I do believe that he is as healthy as he can be. I guess its just odd to me because my family has owned 3 sheepies and they all had fluffy hair. Every sheepie I have seen is fluffy and soft. |
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You can see the spot on his head where they had to cut his hair to heal the sore. He is about 5 years old. |
| hes beautiful. Cinde was tied to a tree for 3 yrs. The spca had to shave her down, she had never been groomed. Ears were infected, now she is hard of hearing. We got her in March of this year.she is about 4 we don't know. Her teeth are worn down from chewing on rocks.
Your baby will turn around. He will give you back 10 times what you give him. Interesting hes still black. Most go grey. Good luck, Welcome to the forum Keep us posted on him and Pics |
| As Ron noted, I'd suspect an ear infection first as a cause of "stinkiness". Secondary to that a skin infection sometimes has a bad odor. Changing to a holistic diet has helped my sister's Golden Retriever do a complete turnaround with her skin problems. Heard this has been the case for several OES as well.
Oiliness... Sheepdogs aren't "oily" by nature. I'd guess that someone put something on his coat to help the itchiness or possibly didn't rinse out the shampoo or conditioner. I'd try another round of bathing before giving up on him and/or shaving down his coat in this midwestern weather. Good luck! There are lots of us here who will help in any way we can. Keep us posted. |
| I am so greatful to all of you for your help and am really enjoying the forum and the picture galleries. I am going to check in on him this afternoon to see how his bath went and hopefully things are going better. I am so excited to share my life with this dog - he is such a sweetie!! |
| I would shave him. He may have oozing sores, parasites, and who knows what else under that coat. It can seriously affect his health.
Welcome to the forum, and good luck!  |
| And the vet wouldn't have found anything like that when they inspected him? |
| You would think and hope so, but I've heard worse.... |
| Lovely boy.
Ear infections can cause bad odour especially if it is a yeast infection caused by allergies. The skin sores to can cause an odour as well. The sores on the skin might also be allergy related too. If it is allergy related it can also be hard to pin point what trigures it. Look to feed him a low allergy dry food, there is very good ones on the market & wash him in a special shampoo for dogs with skin problems, again there is a good variety of them on the market too. Oatmeal based shampoos are great as they help soothe the skin. If you can get on top of the ears and skin problems then you are there with getting rid of the odour. Sometimes a vet intervention is required, maybe a course of medication prescribed by the vet to help settle everything down then it is just a matter of finding out what's right for him to keep the ear and skin problems from occuring. Hope this helps a bit  |
| Can you tell me who was able to get these pictures for you? Were they taken at the original owner's home, or at a shelter somewhere?
Thanks |
| I got them from a rescue contact in Kentucky. He takes in animals that need help and helps them get ready for adoption, and if no one adopts them, he does and they stay with him. He takes care of about 17 dogs. He is retired and those dogs are his life now and he is very happy with it. |
| If shaving is something you don't want to do til the weather warms up I would look really closely for any sores or tiny scratches from a slicker maybe, etc... and if all is well then I would go ahead and bath the dog using plain old dish soap. Rinse well, that will degrease, and then condition with an oatmeal based conditioner ot help the dry skin and soothe him. |
| You've been very helpful and I want to thank you very very much!! |
| Poor diet? He looks very dark for a 5 year old. My first thought was that his smell might be age, I had a cocker spaniel once that got really stinkey when he got old. But not at 5. Does he have an anal gland problem? Are there any oozing cysts or warts that migh be smelling?
Could you have vet evaluate the smell? Welcome and good luck!!!! |
| Hello! Awww... he's a handsome boy. I hope this will be the sheepie-boy for you and that his skin condition can be managed.
The first thing I think of when I hear of a dog with a greasy coat is seborrhea. I did a quick search and found a few articles on oily skin in dogs... http://www.purinaone.com/dogcare_cond_a ... mber=30054 Also, read the information at this link. http://pets.yahoo.com/pets/dogs/hn/eliminating_odor Below is an excerpt: "... Do you feel a slight greasiness on your hands after you pet your dog? These dogs have excess production of sebum, a normal product of the skin glands. The result can be flaky dandruff or an oily, waxy feel to the hair coat and a strong odor. Seborrhea may also dispose a dog to skin and ear infections. Frequent bathing with a medicated shampoo recommended by your veterinarian can help prevent much of the odor..." I'd ask a vet to evaluate his skin and possibly prescribe a good shampoo. By the way, are you getting this sheepie-boy from Jim in Kentucky? It sounds like he's had a rough life. I'd give him a few months of good nutrition, vitamins and periodic bathing with possibly a medicated shampoo. (Excessive skin oils can become rancid causing him to stink.) Personally, I'd buy him a good coat and shave him down to a puppy coat of 1" to 1 1/4". IF he has to be bathed regularly it will allow for faster washing, rinsing and drying... atleast until you can get a handle on what is causing the oily skin. Wishing you both the very best! Please keep us posted? |
| He's adorable! I hope that you are the perfect match and that you are able to get to he bottom of his skin or ear conditions. If you don't feel that the vet is taking the situation seriously, you may want to consider a second opinion from another vet.
Stay in touch and post again with updates. You'll love it here |
| I think he's dark because I don't think he is pure OES. I'm thinking he may have some Australian shepherd in him? Who knows... he has brown too, and white flecks in the dark areas. At first I though the brown was just sunburnt or urine stained, but it looks brown to the roots if you look closely. |
| Another thought in the greasy, stinky coat is seborrhea. There are two forms, the dry form: dandruff form and the sgreasy form called seborrhea oleosa as seen with an oily coat with yellow flakes and a rancid odor.
If the dogs are producing too much fat in their skin, the surplus shows up in skin cells and an accumulation of old, shed cells. Bacteria can also show up causing more problems. Seborrhea may ocur secondary to hormonal upsets such as thryroid problems, false pregnancy, unusual heat cycles and in males where the teesticles are retained causing Sertoli cell tumors, in males producing excessive female hormones, or any dog with excessive corticosteroid production. Poor diet can also be a cause which might also form later as pancreatitis. Flea bite dermatitis is often a cause of seborrhea. Don't discount other parasites such as scabies and demodectic mange. As you see there are many causes, but first, eliminate the obvious. Excellent food, check for fleas. Hormonal upsets (false pregnancy.) Shampoos are useless if the underlying disease is not treated. Once the cause is found, then you can treat the skin. Are you up for the challenge or will the dog's smell and touch but a barrier to your loving her completely? The dog needs a comittment, a total committment and in return you get nothing but complete and utter devotion. |
| Ummm... I think "she's" a he.
Quote: I met him last saturday and absolutely love him, however, I am having difficulty with trying to understand why his coat is so bad.
With having had 3 sheepies before, you sound like you really care and would give him a great home. Before you make any decisions, take him to a vet (or another vet) to be evaluated. This way you can make an informed decision. |
| And you're exactly right. After having three I know what love they provide in return which is why I wanted to help one that needed a home rather than buy a puppy. Once I determine if there is an underlying condition I'll have a better understanding of what I need to do to fix it. |
| That's fair. And sorry I call he a she.........Like the "world" I'm suffering from the crud and my brain just isn't working right now.....and add gradually increasing old timers disease or is it CRS.....can't remember "specifics."
sheepieboss |
| It's all okay. My little sheepie is waiting on a bath (he had surgery last wednesday) and I think things will turn out good. From hearing what the forum had to say and speaking with Jim (the rescuer) again today I am confident that the poor little guy just needs some good nutrients, a lot of love, and a good bath or two. Jim mentioned that when me and my boyfriend left he just stared and whined the whole time and didn't want to go back inside and started to run after us. I can't wait to see him. I want to thank everyone for all their help and I will keep everyone up to date (I will be picking him up next week!). Happy Holidays!! [/b] |
| And I hope all those who are feelling a little ill get better soon!! |
| I knew from the description that it had to be Jim He's a great guy and has helped so many poochies in need. Please let us know if you decide to adopt this special sheepie-boy. And take lots of pictures to share with us! |
| I'm so excited and I definately will have some pictures for you! |
| I am THRILLED to hear that Jim ( last initial "S", by the way?) is involved again! I heard he was taking some time away from rescue. I'm glad he's back. |
| Awww....I love that he knew before you did that he has found his family!
Congrats! Looking forward to the story of his homecoming! |
Willowsprite wrote: I think he's dark because I don't think he is pure OES.
Bailey's cousin Winston is purebred and at 10 years old he's still really dark (I posted some pics of him last summer). So, this boy could be pure OES too. Congratulations on your new sheepie and bless you for having such a kind heart! Sue |
| Hi! Go to biogroom.com, they have a tar-sulfur shampoo that may help the problem, I've pasted a letter from their site from a user below . . . . . who knows?!!
Dear Bio-Groom, I recently bought Bio-Med Tar-Sulfur Shampoo. I must admit that I was skeptical. I seriously doubted that I had at last found something that would eliminate a condition that our dog Misty had been plagued with for at least 2 years. We had tried everything from vitamins to brown apple cider vinegar sprays. Her condition seemed to be getting worse with each new treatment. After the first application of Bio-Med Tar-Sulfur Shampoo my dog Misty was at long last free of the horrible odor and I could see an immediate improvement in the scaly skin. Just as your product claimed, the condition was under control after 3 treatments. I intend to use Bio-Med Tar-Sulfur Shampoo on Misty from now on! Thank you Sylvia Morton |
| Hi,
I only read this last night as Grooming is the one forum I usually don't visit often. One of my boys, Panda was a rescue from a puppy mill in Hong Kong and had hair unlike I'd seen before. His was a yellowish tinge, had brown in it as well (like it had been burned by the sun) and was awful to touch. Your hand would be left feeling dirty and smelly. Panda also had an ear infection which caused a horrible smell. The skin underneath his hair was very flaky and dirty. One of my other dogs, Merlin once had a smell emitting from him that caused one to almost faint. It turned out he had food debris caught on his lower lip (underneath) towards the back. These guys have lip folds which could cause a food debris to be trapped there. Anyhow, I read this post with interest as I've now had Panda in my home since the spring of 04. Although on our rainy Pacific West Coast he's often mud colored due to his fondness for spashing in puddles - his hair has improved immensely. Here's what I found out and discovered. Diet and stress pay a huge part in the hair condition. It took about a year and a couple shaves to see a noticable difference. I would recommend a shave as although your weather is cold being an OES he'll be an inside dog right? As these guys are affectionately known as Velcro Dogs and love to be beside you. You can always purchase a coat for walks outdoors or within the week of the shave you'll find they adapt really well to their shorter haircut. If you don't want to shave at this time you may not see the difference in the texture as it will be the hair at the root level where the change is apparent. Eventually you will have to shave the old hair off. One of my previous OES, Shaggy was a pound dog and had been starved the first year of her life. When I adopted her she only weighed 25 pounds and I was told she was 4 months old. Turned out she was an adult apon our first vet visit where he saw she had all her adult teeth. She never turned grey and her hair remained black until she passed away at the age of 15. Lastly, I fostered a cat for the Humane Society once due to her losing most of her hair at the shelter (due to stress). A good diet and lots of TLC and her hair is now shiny and so soft! Mama Kat is a permant resident in my home now too. Just thought I'd share my experiences with three of my pets and the conditions of their coats when they first arrived in my home. It is not a fast and easy solution and takes patience to achieve but again to repeat myself diet and stress play a huge part. Should you ever watch those shows on tv about children deprived of food in places like Africa you see their hair color is almost blond. The host once explained this was a clear sign of dietary difiency and is very noticable apon first glance. I suspect it's the same with dogs. With todays medicines and good quality food you too will see a change in your boys hair. Best of luck to you and I can't wait to hear how things progress. Marianne and the boys |
| I cannot agree more with the above. We've taken into rescue many dogs from shelters that were strays, or in the shelter for months, and most of them have dull, brittle coats. One of the frequent comments on the records at my vet's for all the dogs she's vetted for me is "dull coat" and "dry, flakey skin", most of which is a result of the lack of proper diet in the strays and for shelter dogs, the stress of being in a pound. Then months later, or a year later, when we see the dogs that we have placed in new homes it is amazing how different they look, with a healthy coat and nice, pink skin. Give it time, and it will come. |
| Any update on the sheepie you were considering adopting? I just ran across an article that could be a possible cause of this sheepie-boy's greasy coat/smell. Ask a vet if he should be tested for low thyroid. Medication for low thyroid is usually Soloxine and is pretty affordable.
http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-ang ... isease.htm CLINICAL SIGNS OF CANINE HYPOTHYROIDISM Dermatologic Diseases- dry, scaly skin and dandruff / coarse, dull coat / bilateral symmetrical hair loss / rat tail, puppy coat / hyperpigmentation / seborrhea or greasy skin pyoderma or skin infections / myxedema / chronic offensive skin odor |
| Glad to hear Jim is back in business. Wonderful guy.
sheepieboss |
| I am meeting Jim on Friday to pick up my baby boy. The holidays were a little crazy for us so this turned out to be the best time. Jim said he dropped a dog off in Arkansas? over the weekend for adoption and I had 3 major appliances break last week so I had maintenance workers in and out. I wanted everything to be perfect for my dog's first night (no random people running in and out). I am so excited I can't even wait. I've got all my supplies and a big dog pillow (Jim says he has one there and thought it would be a good idea if I got him one). I've got all my dog toys and no dog!! Is it Friday yet?!?!? |
hoffma wrote: Is it Friday yet?!?!?
It'll be here before you know it. The waiting can be excruciating, but so exciting! |
| How did the first weekend go? Is he getting settled in? Got any pictures to post? Was the cause of the odor ever determined? I can't think of more questions Seriously I hope it all went well. |
hoffma wrote: I got them from a rescue contact in Kentucky. He takes in animals that need help and helps them get ready for adoption, and if no one adopts them, he does and they stay with him. He takes care of about 17 dogs. He is retired and those dogs are his life now and he is very happy with it. I LIVE NEAR CINCINNATI AND AM INTERESTED IN RESCUE OR ADOPTING...PLEASE HELP....I HAVE ALWAYS OWNED AN OES AND CURRENTLY HAVE OLIVER!! |
| I found an OES rescue contact in Ohio and emailed her and she forwarded my email to Jim in Kentucky. Her email address is WAYNENIK@aol.com, I would email her first to see what she can do (forgive me but I forget her name!). |
| If you are interested there are four or five OES in Illinois that need a good home; you can find them on Petfinder.com or in the rescue section on this forum. |
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