Puppies and worms
So I know this is not a subject everyone loves to talk about however, it's been quite some time since I rescued Mynie and Fez out in Missouri, both seem to not be able to get rid of worms..... 
We have done the 1 day and the 3 day worming, it does not seem to be doing anything, and I am highly concerned that Fez may have them worse than his sister. I know I have seen a couple people posting about how clean Flawdogs was, it was NOT clean when I was there and the dogs were kept in dirt, one of the easiest places to pick up worms from. Regardless, I need to get these sheepies past this stage of life and move forward to the fun times, ANY suggestions, medical, homeopathic anything is greatly appreciated! |
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| I don't really have any suggestions as I haven't had this problem. Just wanted to express my sympathy and wish you luck in getting help.
I'm assuming you've been to the vet? |
| I'de call a vet to see of there is something stronger that would get rid of them . Somtimes things of the counter do not work. |
| We've been to the vet, this will be our 3rd bout with them, she (Mynie) also had Girardia and a bacterial infection, so I know that can't be helping either! We of course ALWAYS go to our vet, I just think this puppy's and her brother's immune system are lower, thanks to the poor living conditions prior to me getting the pups. |
Poor Mynie and Fez Sorry I don;t have any suggestions for getting them healthy but we are sending good sheepie thoughts your way 
Sue and Bailey |
| I am sure their bad living conditions has something to do with this. Hate to say this but is your vet ok. Maybe try a new vet? This is a stumper. Wish you luck.Please keep the forum informed as to their progress.I want to know about these 2 babe's. |
| I would get a new vet. They should be prescribing a course of Pyrantel Pamoate, at least 2 doses ten days apart, 3 would be better with such a heavy infestation.
Metronidazole should be given for five days minimum to clear up the giardia. The pup may also need to be treated with droncit for tapeworms, and if fleas are present and the pup has tapeworm, the fleas will continue to reinfect the dog, so all parasites must be treated effectively. |
| I just took Mynie to a different vet. I was waiting for my vet to get in a stronger perscription, but it's not worth the wait. So Mynie's at her new vet, whom I really like, she's spending the day up there so they can run more tests and figure out if there is a bigger underlying problem in her belly. Poor baby girl was so hungry this morning, but I couldn't feed her
On a more positive note (because we know she'll get better!) Her little pink nose is turning in black!!! It almost looks funny (I'll post some pictures when she gets back) seeing her mouth and nose and eyes turning black after seeing them pink for so long! |
Dear Oes moma, So glad to hear that you got a new vet. Hope she gets well soon. Keep us informed on her progress. Fergies nose has been black since tha day we saw her. She was 8 weeks then.Good Luck.  |
Good luck!  Please let us know how it goes |
| I am new. I adopted an OES puppy (Jubilee) from Flawdogs in early July. She was extremely frail. She has been treated for worms three times (two different vets), and had Giardia. She has had two rounds of Flaygal (sp?). Her stools are not completely firm, and very large. The least little thing upsets her stomach. Other than that, she is thriving; she is 4 mths old and weighs 28 lbs. Her digestive problems are making it very difficult to potty train her. Oh, she is my second rescued OES. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. -- Caroline -- |
| Well, we did blood work and Mynie's white blood cell count is high, her red blood cell count is low and her proteins are low. We are doing a fast to do a test on the pancreas and also for inflamitory bowel disease.
On this last bout, we seemed to have cleared up the girardia, and worms, but both may have been from a bigger underlying issue. Caroline, I would suggest bloodwork on your puppy, and I have started feeding Iams Low Residue Puppy Food. I have rescued many dogs and fostered many dogs, and I can't believe the conditions these dogs were in. I am starting to wonder about Flawdogs, if these dogs were checked by a vet, why weren't these issues brought up? I need to step back I think and let the emotions settle before I go saying something I don't mean................. I just am really upset about how sick these dogs are, and now that I am not the only one, makes me that much more upset. |
| Ok, ooops that didn't sound right -- going to the vet's yesterday on the icky test, they found no worms and no girardia and no clostrom someting or other ....... that's why we did the blood work. Today the blood work came back ..................... |
| Thanks, I will print this info out and take it to the vet. We went to our first puppy kindergarten class last night, Jubilee did great. |
| Flawdogs takes in puppymill rescues that are scheduled to be euthanized. my name is sally and i am the owner of this rescue. i attempted to email "oes mama", but her e-mail has changed from when she adopted the puppies. it also seems that since she chose to share all of her concerns here that a response to her in this forum is reasonable. here goes:
i have read the posts to othe oes forum because of the many people who have adopted happily from flawdogs telling me about your angry posts. the dogs come here after the "breeders" have decided to euthanize them. they have usually had very poor care for quite some time, if not all of their lives. oes's do not stay for long and we remedy everthing we can in the time they are here. in your posts, you never bothered to mention that they were spayed and neutered and vaccinated, launching a diatribe that those procedures were not done. you came here one time, after days of heavy rain, and pronounced a judgement of filth...it was dirt and water...mcu. you inferred that this may BE a puppmill. all dogs are altered and vaccinated. i would love to know how you think this could be a "scam" with the vet bills we pay and the number of dogs that we rescue. you did not mention what your adoption donation was. i do not use concrete or gravel because the dogs have never been able to play on grass (or dirt) and they love the feel of grass beneath their feet. i will assume that you would have preferred the concrete kennels or cages that most rescues keep their dogs in because of limited space...the dogs would not. the down side to the yards that we are so proud of is worn grass with active puppies and mud when it rains a lot. your history of rescue and foster still left you unable to cope with the problems not uncommon or horribly challenging of mill dogs. some vets choose to catastrophize easily remedied symptoms so they can appear heroic when their medication clears it up (after hundreds of dollars of tests). YOU changed vets and i hope your puppies are doing better. our reputation is good...we are devastated by your denigrating comments and feel badly that you are so dissatisfied. we wish you had kept in touch. we obviously have many animals that need a lot of work...this week there will be thrty four sugeries. we take the dogs that are scheduled to be put down, remember? the contract you signed explained that their may be heallth issues...i should have made that clearer or read it aloud to you. it would have been much better for you to go to a quality breeder with a health guarantee. i usually keep around fifty dogs here. two good friends each foster around twenty at their homes. while it is not as ideal as the wonderful fosters that keep a dog or two, it saves a lot of lives and is a far better place than they ever lived before. all are handled and loved every day. because of wonderful, rescue oriented, loving and commmitted people, flawdogs is thriving and hundreds of dogs that had no future are in loving and understanding homes. most went on to wonderful lives with no particular health issues. i am so sorry that yours is not one of them. we should probably refuse oes from that breeder in the future and let them be euthanized rather than risk our reputation again....certainlly the additional post from jubilee's mom suggests that this breeder is not providing decent care for his dogs. it is more likely that i will try to be a better judge of the commitment to the concept of rescue when i place them. if you lived closer, we would have tried to provide vet services to remedy their problems. we cannot afford normal vet fees, but you never asked. we would have been glad to take the pups back and refund your money....you live a long way from us, but we would have found a way. i tried to ignore this, rather than risk perpetuating it with a response, but feel that our work is too valuable to just remain silent. |
| Have you determined what type of worm it is. Generally what we give in clinics and at the humane society I worked at was Ivermectin. Its really strong, I think even better than droncit but try droncit first and then move up if necessary. Good luck.
nina |
| OES mama, how are the puppies doing now? I also wanted to let you know there are shots now for giardia, they get one and then a booster 2 weeks later. My 4 all had giardia and that's the only thing that got rid of it, this was 4 years ago and they've never gotten it again. |
| While I appreciate the desire to save lives, in my opinion what Flawdogs is doing is no different than someone who is a broker for puppy mills, or those horrible auctions. In my opinion, saving those puppies is only perpetuating the problem. If those" breeders" (aka puppy mills) did not have someone to take pups off their hands and had to spend the money to euthanize them, or keep them longer and feed them, or care for the medical concerns themselves, maybe they wouldn't be so eager to breed again and hand off more puppies to Flawdogs to find homes for.
If these people are having regular problems where they would rather euthanize so often (which you indicate you take pups from the same breeder again and again) why would someone not call animal control? Call authorities to see the deplorable conditions they must be coming from if it is not happening at your home. 50 dogs is too many (IMO), it is just asking for disease and parasitic infestation to happen. How is that fair? How is that better than the puppy mill they came from? Animal treatment and care laws will never be enforced if people don't call authorities, write to their congressman, and stop helping the millers. I am not writing this to offend you or anyone, this is my personal opinion. I truly understand the desire to help, but I think people need to look at the big picture, the long term effects of what they do. |
| As I'm sure Sally is too busy caring for her dogs, rather than posting on this website, I'd like to answer a few of Willowsprite's concerns.
First of all, to say that Flawdogs is no better than a puppy mill is absolutely ludicrous. Apparently, you've never visited Flawdogs and have certainly never even bothered to do any research on puppy mills. The thing that drives puppy mills is not the rescue that tries to save the dogs the millers would kill, but rather the fact that people will pay ridiculously high prices for purebred dogs. If you look at puppy mills and the breeds of dogs they produce, they go for the purebred or "designer dog" market. Puppy mills pop up and are supported by pet stores that sell puppies from puppy mills. Your argument that Flawdogs enables the mills to save money on sick dogs, thus perpetuating the mills, reveals your naiviate about how mills are run. The fact of the matter is that most mills don't go to any expense in caring for sick dogs or euthanizing them, except, of course, for the cost of a bullet. So, if Sally didn't take these dogs, they would be killed. The mill would not take them to the vet or get them medication because that cuts into the whole motive for running a puppy mill: making money. Secondly, Sally is able to get these dogs because she has gained some trust with the mills. In all honesty, even if Sally put all of her energy towards writing letters to her representatives, mills would still flourish in this state because the DEMAND is still there. So, while Sally would be writing letters, all of the dogs she has saved would be dead. My family owns 6 dogs from Flawdogs, and I certainly don't think any of them would be better off dead. To hear someone say that makes me sick. But that's just my personal opinion. If people want to get rid of puppy mills in any effective way, you have to address it from the demand side of the market. As long as people will pay high prices for a purebred dog and won't be satisfied adopting a dog of uncertain parentage, puppy mills will exist, no matter how many letters we write. Finally, with any social problem, there are long term solutions and short term solutions. In my eyes, Flawdogs looks at the short term in that they try to save as many dogs as they can. It might not get rid of puppy mills, but it relieves some of the suffering caused by mills. Your argument that Flawdogs shouldn't rescue these dogs is really cold. Would you argue that no one should have helped anyone in New Orleans after Katrina but rather call their Congressmen to urge them to do something? |
| Opinions of all sorts are welcome here, but incivility is not. Please keep the personal attacks out of the debate, it makes for a much more effective and persuasive post, anyway. If your goal is to persuade, be persuasive not abusive, please.
There are very few rules on this site, one of them is to write your posts as if you are chatting with a neighbor who you don't know very well, sitting at your kitchen table, sharing a cup of tea. Another is to assume that the other poster meant no offense. Please consider registering here. If you had been registered, I would have made a personal response to you rather than this public one. Welcome to the forum! I am excited that you've decided to represent another side to this issue. |
| Does Flawdogs purchase these puppies or are they given to them? Do they spay/neuter before placing? |
| Sorry for the uncivility, but I value directness. I will happily refrain from personal attacks. I assume the same will be done for Flawdogs (I view equating a rescue with a puppy mill as a personal attack; again, just the other side of the debate).
As for the last question posted: I'm not sure if Flawdogs pays for the dogs they get. I read on another post (from a person who is friends with the folks who run it) that they sometimes pay a small fee to the mills to hold the dogs until they can pick them up. Again, this is second or third hand information, so don't hold me to that. As for the second question, yes, they do neuter/spay all of the dogs before they are adopted. When we adopted a Scottie from them, we had to wait for him to be fixd before we picked him up. They either don't post the dogs on Petfinder until they are fixed or, if they haven't been fixed yet, they say that the dog will be fixed on a certain date and will be available for adoption at that point. I've never had any problems with the dogs I've gotten from them, but many of the dogs, as Sally said in her post, come in with health problems and weakened immune systems because of the mills. I've been lucky. Hope the sheepy pups are feeling better; remember that they've been rescued twice (by Flawdogs from the mill, and when you gave them a permanent home). Here's to more luck for them...  |
| Hello, I just wanted to add a quick post. I came to the site because I'm thinking of adopting a Sheepie/Great Pyrenees mix from a shelter and was doing some research on Sheepies. I currently have a 9 month old Great Pyrenees girl adopted from Flawdogs. We adopted her at 8 weeks old and she was very sick. She had 2 different worms and a respiratory infection that was really hard to clear up. At first I had concerns about Flawdogs, but Sally was very helpful and offered to help with medicine. I have since been in a puppy training class with her sibling, also adopted from Sally, and he was in good condition when they got him. Go figure!
Our dogs came from a working livestock guardian situation and I think the person in charge of that operation didn't take good care of the pups he didn't want. I think that Flawdogs is a little overwhelmed with all the dogs it has and probably understaffed and underfunded. But my girl is the best dog!!!! and I am glad that Flawdogs was there even if they left a couple of things undone, at least she was alive long enough for us to find her. Also, our girl was spayed when we got her, when I expressed concern to Sally about how young she was she said that she couldn't risk sending a purebred puppy out not spayed for fear she would be used in a mill. She is a BEAUTIFUL dog and her adoption fee was modest, 200.00. Thanks, for doing this work and the information! |
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