Stubborn Pup- NEEDS OBEDIENCE SCHOOL

Recently we got an OES pup Feziwig. We previously had an OES who was very well behaved and easy to train. This pup however has a VERY stubborn streak and will ignore commands, bark at you when being scolded etc. We have been patient with him but are worried that if he keeps acting this way that we will be unable to handle him when he gets older which can be very dangerous due to cars etc. Does anyone know of a good obedience school that we could take him in Brewster NY (putnam county) or in the surrounding nearby areas? We're desperate!
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I don't know of a good Obedience School but we have a 13 week old OES puppy called Cody who is exactly the same. When we tell him No he barks back! He also shows his teeth when he gets in trouble and we corner him. I just wanted you to know that you are not alone!!! We plan on taking him to obedience training once he has all his shots.
My 13 wk old Pup Merlin is the same way. I had the chance to ask his trainer at puppy obedience this question yesterday. My two other dogs...tho challenging as they were formally adopted from the Humane Society never gave me as much trouble as my new little guy.

His answer...you have an Alpha dog. The key is going to be a lot of patience, consistency and letting them know you are boss not them. They will challenge your authority as being Alpha their natural place in the pack will be eventual leadership. However in a household run by two legged creatures rather than four...it's important to establish that you are the dominant one.

I posted once about a wonderful site I found. http://www.mydoggie.door.com

This may be of some help until you find an obedience school.
Good luck!
Abbi is a bit alpha and seemed hard to train the first few years. She is 4 years old now and learns new tricks rather easily now. I am not sure if this is typical. Maybe she has finally gone through all the hormonal phases of growing up, who knows?
Each of my 3 daughters learned and behaved differently at different ages, so it is with our animal family members I think. We have a parakeet that seems to learn tricks on her own and then we have Abbi who now seems to be just waiting for us to show her something new. Maybe we have just figured out how to communicate or something. But persistence and faith that you can actually train them seems to win out!
While you always have to let them know you are boss, it doesn't mean constant disciplining. We found that if we trained Abbi to heel without a leash it went faster than with a leash. If you cannot beat them, just lead the way. Abbi really responded to the more positive approach, although she is aware that there are consequences to misbehavior. She hates time outs, where she has to stay outside for a while.
Each individual seems to have their own way of learning. I hope you find your pups' best method and enjoy.
Thanks guys for all your responses. It's good to know that I'm not the only one going through this but things seem to be getting worse! Our pup is now 4months old and has been with us since the 1st week in novemeber and refuses to obey any rules no matter what. If he does something bad and you let him know he'll either bark in your face or stop for 2 seconds then start again. Also and double as aggrivating he won't stop peeing in the house. It's becoming ridiculous he's going in the house anywhere from 3-5 times in a day! And it's not that we don't take him out we do! He doesn't seem to care if we get upset! He'll go outside and then go inside not even 1/2 an hour later! If he doesn't get what he wants he pees. If you leave the room he pees! I called a few obedience schools and they say thats not really their area and we may need private lessons but at upwards of $300 for 3 lessons we can't afford it! I don't know what else to do with him! I would love for him to be able to come around the house with us but until he stops peeing he's stuck in the kitchen. If you have any ideas PLEASE HELP!!
8O Hi there,
I wanted to share what has worked well for us. When our 4 yo OES was a puppy ... she was a "case" ! Stubborn streak, terrible separation anxiety ( would eat around doors). The upshot is ... went thru Obedience Shool when she was 3 mos. and that helped. Buttttt her stubborn streak and some bad behaviors continued (from time-to time). Took her to local Pet Store and had her fitted for a muzzle. Used it only when she mis-behaved badly. Soon all we had to say was the word "muzzle... do you want the muzzle" ? ! That alone most times did the trick. Also "time-out" room has worked well for our current OES puppy. This was suggested by our Vet Doc. The lil guy was tuff to house-break and this turned out to be a great suggestion. I set the kitchen timer for 10 minutes. I use the laundry room by the kitchen ( of course I have to move stuff up-high so Mr. Curious can't get in it :D ).
Anyway ...hope this helps a little. :lol: Happy Holidays !
I just came home to a destroyed kitchen : Clothes, paperplates, pencils, shoes, newspapers, flashlight, dish-towel, rag, hat, scarf , cats collar Etc all over the floor and to top it off he peed 3 times! I'm going nuts!
I've never been very happy with crate training but does that help? Please let me know! 8O
:? runnnnnnnnnnnnnn don't walk to Vet.... request meds for anxiety .. . I forgot to say that we had to do this for a while when Patch (4 yo female) was a puppy. I'd medicate & crate. We had a nice lit, ventilated indoor utility room that we kept Patch in as a pup. BOY -did sshe ever gnaw that place down ! Looking back.... we should have ran ourselves to the Vet for meds. She did a lot of damage ( be careful what cha name your pup) ... we had to PATCH a lot !
Other ideas.... leash her up indoors, try benadryl. Alternative med we tried were 'STAR OF BETHELEHEM" AND "RESCUE REMEDY". Call Vet asap.
Bless you !
djb
We too have a young OES now aged 8 months who is very strong willed and stubborn. Don't worry, they get better. We've always had OES and they've all proved to be delightful dogs. I was at the end of my tether with this one, not only did she chew everything in sight and still does occasionally now, she jumps up and nip your clothing. I took her at 5 months to our local training club. It was a 12 week beginner's course and it was extremely hard work but the secret is to be consistent and to keep repeating the same commands. Now when I come home from work, although she still wants to jump I immediately command her to 'sit' and it works! Biscuits are a great incentive but just persevere. They eventually get the message. She's still a handful and I think you will find that they don't really mature until they are about 2 years old but don't let that put you off. They come in stages. Weeks go by and suddenly surprisingly when you say 'down' you'll find they'll go 'down', a command I thought ours would never do. Hope this reassures you.
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