Cannot potty train! Going nuts!

I have a sheepdog that is about one year old, got her when she was 8 wks. I have tried every conceivable method of potty training. Taking the paper outside, spraying the spots where she has gone, scolding, not scolding, crate training, taking her out every 2-3 hours. She goes outside when we take her, but she also goes right in front of us, and its not always the same spot... she will go wherever we are. I don't know what to do and we love her, but we can't take this kind of behavior, its been almost a year, and I think she just doesn't get it. I've never had a dog I could not potty train and I have had quite a few. Is this breed hard to train? What do I do?
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Have you tried the training pads? We trained Dougal with these. First of all we tried taking him out every half hour or so but found he would still pee on the carpet without a second thought, anyway one day we saw these training pads for sale. I thought it was just a gimmic but we found they actually worked. I don't know if you've seen them but they're just like a nappy laid out flat. Apparently they have a scent which attracts the dog to them. We laid 2 in the lounge and a few more elsewhere. He would make the effort to go pee on them every time (well his aiming wasn't perfect but at least he tried :roll: ). Anyway the idea is that after a little while of this you gradually move the pads towards the door and eventually outside. We never actually did this! We just kind of phased them out slowly which worked for us. Maybe take one away leaving just one left in a room. By the way praise him every time he pees on them! Eventually remove the last one and after that they should go pee outside because they feel like they have no where left inside to go. Sounds silly but worked perfectly for us. Now he's good as gold and tells us when he needs to go out to do his business. Good luck...
Agreed! Hooray for the nappy pads!

The only downside was that, since Woof liked the be with us ALL the time (esp. at night) as a young pup, and we therefore had a pad in our bedroom, he did have a couple of accidents upstairs once we'd taken the pad away.....

In essence, take him out every half hour, paise his like crazy when he goes, use the pads, and things will improve - but be consistent and patient!
Translation from England English into American English:

"NAPPY" = "OLD-FASHIONED CLOTH DIAPER"
My puppy is 5 months and has improved ALOT! He was having accidents several times a day. What started working for us was limiting his water intake to a few times a day instead of leaving a bowl set out and then taking him out immediately. We also take him right out after dinner and if he isn't ready to go he goes into his kennel for a bit and I try again. It is a pain to take him out every hour but it really works and Im sure as he gets older and has more control he can go a little longer at a time. Make sure you use a good cleaner to get rid of the scent from the carpet too. Good luck to you!
Our new oes Feziwig is the same- having accidents all the time - I can't tell if he gets it or not- alot of the time it seems like he does but he just doesn't care! he'll go outside and inside! I've tried several methods and haven't had this kind of trouble with ANY dog.

How does the crate training work? Also were can I get those training pads?
My dog is the same way, she knows she has to go outside, but it does not matter to her. What I do is in the morning, I will take her out and make her potty, if she does not go, she goes back in the crate and I try again 15-30 minutes later, then I take her out about every three hours or so. I also limit her water to a little in the morning, afternoon, and evening. Everything I have tried with her has failed. She is about a year old and I have never had such trouble potty training a dog before. I also tried the pads, and she just chews them up, even when I tape them to the floor! I have been told I most likely have an alpha female, which makes things a little more difficult. I love her dearly, but it can be trying at times. I am also purchasing that spot remover carpet cleaner from Bissett, it's about $30, so I'm not constantly scrubbing the floor! I even resulted to putting her nose in it, but it does not phase her. I just hope she grows out of it.
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I have a sheepdog that is about one year old, got her when she was 8 wks. I have tried every conceivable method of potty training. Taking the paper outside, spraying the spots where she has gone, scolding, not scolding, crate training, taking her out every 2-3 hours. She goes outside when we take her, but she also goes right in front of us, and its not always the same spot... she will go wherever we are. I don't know what to do and we love her, but we can't take this kind of behavior, its been almost a year, and I think she just doesn't get it. I've never had a dog I could not potty train and I have had quite a few. Is this breed hard to train? What do I do?


I understand what you are going through! I have a 14 month old Australian Shepherd. We have tried everything. Those pads she would go on sometimes, and then other times not. We have had her seen by the vet, I have spoke to trainers, breeders, etc. Everytime I think maybe..., then it happens again.
Good luck.
I have an OES that arrived from rescue at close to 11 months back in September of 2005. This was part of her Petfinder description-

"The reality is she needs more lessons in the art of housebreaking."

She had been in two other homes before arriving and also spent close to a month at a humane society. For the next 1 1/2 years she had recurrent UTIs and so many accidents in the house. :(

Turns out her problem was not a training issue but rather a medical one. We found she had struvite crystals shortly after she arrived. They cause an extreme urgency to urinate.

She also had a bladder defect called a Persistent Urachus which was finally diagnosed and surgically corrected in February of 2007.
http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm ... icleid=867

She continues to have a urinary ph imbalance that requires an acidifier (uroeze) be added to each meal to maintain the proper ph.

She now seldom has an accident unless we've given her a treat (like fruits or vegetables) and it messes up her ph level. No more UTIs either. But it was a loooong journey to finding the cause.
Oh man, do I feel for you. I've been there done that and its no fun. With Simon I resorted to taking him out every fifteen minutes to a half hour. No kidding...but we didn't play out there. He went on a leash and if he didn't go we tried again in fifteen minutes.

Another thing that worked was training him to ring a bell when he had to go. I think in the end it worked great because he didn't know how to tell me he had to go.

When we got Garfunkel at 2.6yrs old he was not housebroken. We used the same method with him and it took about a month of freezing our butts off in Jan. in WI for him to get the message.
Have you noticed any patterns with this? Ludo went through a brief period where he put together that peeing on the floor meant he went outside, so he would pee a little on the floor (very deliberately, in front of us) and then get very excited and bound towards the door.

Thankfully we caught on to his little ruse and started putting him in his crate for 10 minutes, then taking him outside. It only took two more tries before he realized that peeing on the floor does not result in fun and games outside.
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