Hunte Corp and AKC and puppymills
First of all the 4 girls that came from the Missouri dog aucation in Wheaton we did not BUY. An all breed rescue in SW Missouri was about to save 27 Babies of different breeds that day. 4 were OES. They contacted breed rescue to help them. 3 of the girls were in really good shape. They paid $25 each for them. Mo Molly was FREE. The man at the auction said " take this one too or it the bone barrel for her" She has a lot of health problems. She is doing great and is very sweet and Lovding. She will stay her with me Furever........ Now the situation about the 5 Babies. There was no decision to be made. It was drive to Springfield and get them or they would be DEAD. Now I would like to bring up the situation of the Hunte Corp. They are the largest puppymillers in the US. These commercial breeders sell directly to them. Hunte comes by in their trucks and picks up puppies they want for their own pet stores { Woof & Co. } USDA { our money} built their new 100.000 sq ft distribution facility in SW Missouri. That is where all the puppies end up at and are then shipped out to the pet stores. Does this sound like the Fox watching the Henhouse? AKC has been attending their meeting and seems to go along with what they are doing. Even praises them on their acomplishments. http://www.thedogplace.com/thedogpress/ ... liance.asp I just want to educate the public about this problem. There is a differnce in a puppymills and commercial breeders: Commercial breeders have clean facilities, cages on concrete. Does it make it right? I certainly don't think so but at least they are clean. Please read the link and I am curious as to what you think. Sheepie Hugs, Kaye |
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| What specifically can we do to be part of the solution to this problem? |
| Oh I'm just outraged! The comment made about Mo Molly is so infuriating! I cannot understand how people can talk and think like that! I'm out in the Ottawa, Ontario area and if there is ANYTHING I can do, please contact me!
I'm looking forward to hearing all the great stories to come from Mo Molly! I so admire your compassion and caring! Colleen and Gucci George |
| Is it a No No to bring up AKC. Haven't quit figured that out yet. Other then some of the Rescue Org are affiated with them through the breed clubs. Now, This Is My Opinion. Opinions are like rear ends WE ALL HAVE ONE.....Not all but certainly some of the puppies coming out of these puppymills and certainly the commercial breeders in Missouri, Kansas, Penn and Ohio have AKC papers. In my Simple Little Mind if AKC was concerned with protecting the breeds why would they paper these from these breeders. They know they ae coming commercial breeders becassue the USDA inspection paperwork is cross referenced. The breeding dogs had to come from breeder that sold them with full registration. Some of the puppymillers do have AKC but also use other registries. They will get more for a puupy is it is subject to AKC registration. Becasue the genral public thinks that an AKC puppy is better. I do know that 2 members of AKC's board were at the last convention that Hunte Corp had in Missouri. What does that say? From the speech that they gave at the convention they were not there to put down the operation. They praised them { Hunte} for what they wwere doing. This really offends me. I personlly think they are nothing but a registry that keeps track of numbers and charge to breeder to register the litter and then charges the new owner a charge to registor the puppy. So all effort to shut down pet stores that sell the Babies is only the tip of the iceburg. Until they step up to plate and stop doing what they are doing the problem will only grow larger. Now that the puppymills and commercial breeders have joined forces ......It is no longer the little operation back in the woods of Missouri......They basically have formed an union. They are backed by the law now in Missouri. What can be done about this I don't know. I think attention should be brought to the publics attention at a large dog show. I know that is not going to ahappen that that is my dream. So until then it will continue to be a vicious cirle that only grows and grows. IF THEY WANTED TO PROTECT THE BREEDS THEY WOULD STOP REGISTERING AKC PUPPies FROM PUPPYMILLS AND COMMERCIAL BREEERS, Now if anyone can explain to me why they won't stop I am certainly willing to listen..... Until then we that are in teh trenches will be spitting in the wind!!!!!! Respectfully, Kaye, Second Chance OES Rescue |
| I know why the AKC won't stop!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Would you rather collect $15.00 for 10,000 puppies a year or 60,000? |
| A new pet store just opened here in Wichita. They get their puppies from the Hunte Corporation. When I asked them about the Hunte Corp. they said that Hunte got their puppies from qualified breeders and then shipped them to pet stores. I'm always leery of pet store puppies (even though they are soooo cute) because of the puppy mill situation. I have the feeling this operation is simply a puppy mill in disguise. They had an OES puppy there who was, of course, the cutest! They were asking $1300 for him. That seemed rather high to me but what do I know, Truman was free! I tried looking up the Hunte Corporation on the internet but, as you might imagine, only found positive things on them. Does anyone know anything about them? I'm just curious. I won't buy a puppy from this store due to my suspicions. If we do get another companion dog for our family we plan to get one from Pals Rescue. |
| Just what is a "qualified breeder"? That's the problem. That probably means that any breeder that meets the most basic minimum "humane" standards, like the USDA.
It DOESN'T mean that it's a breeder who checks and screens out breeding stock for hereditary issues, who socializes puppies or does any one of a hundred more things that a well-respected, OESCA-code-of-ethics-signing breeder does. They breed the dogs as livestock for the money; they don't care about the quality of the dog as long as it survives long enough to get paid (and perhaps past a warranty period). Just my opinion, though. |
| I agree! It's upsetting to see all those cute puppies and know that the people buying them are perpetuating the puppy mills! |
| I am not a regular member of your group but your discussion was forwarded to me. We run the website www.petstorecruelty.org. You can read more about Hunte Corp. and pet stores, especially the large franchise Petland, there.
Ron is correct. Pet stores use many terms to describe their breeders and give customers the illusion that they come from loving homes. The breeders they get puppies from are not likely to have ever done genetic testing, and they breed sick, miserable, injured dogs, who spend their entire live in cramped cages, as a standard practice. Both Hunte Corp. and Petland claim to only get puppies from USDA-licensed breeders, yet collecting breeder names from my local store and others, I found that even that was not true. The USDA treats dogs as livestock and finds nothing wrong with confining dogs to cages for life. They rarely impose fines and hardly ever close a puppy mill down. If somebody keeps dogs in cages so small that their heads are pressed against the top of the cage, the inspector writes a note saying they should correct that problem. That's it. Please e-mail us at all4theanimals@yahoo.com if you would like more information. |
| I AM APPAULED !!!!!! I am from Australia. We have puppy farmers here Im sure well Back-yard breeders but not on this scale or am I being nieve I dont know. When I look for a puppy I want to see the Mum and Dad and place of residence meet the breeders and see them at play together. Check health records. Beable to go back at other times you know get to know the family.
Ive been into Pet Shops and asked (at the top of my voice) " oh can I have the Breeders details please so I can see the Parents and health checks and where they were bred and the owners always say . very sheepishly , 'oh no we cant give out that info" and then I say ( in another loud voice ) 'Oh why not what do they have to hide " Im sure Im not popular but its my little way of protesting. |
| http://www.mpbaonline.org/index.php .......Ali just posted this to another group. The damage is done now.....The handwritting has been on the wall for years......... I for one am tired of spitting in the wind trying to warn people of the dangers of getting a puppy...... I think this deplorable.... People complain about all the websites that breeders sell their puppies....WHAT ABOUT AKC'S Website?????????? any breeder that has a registed litter can advertise their puppies for sell on that website with no questions asked..... This just makes me sick......THE FOX WATCHING THE HENHOUSE............I Am Very Sad...... Kaye Second Chance OES Rescue |
| Perhaps I can shed a little light on this subject. I raised Lhasa Apsos and Shih Tzus for 15 years. While I sold most of my puppies privately, occasionally there were some left. I totally agree there are way too many puppy mills in southern Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, etc. I only had usually 20-25 breeding stock but they were treated like my kids(in some cases, better). When looking for an outlet to sell my extra puppies, one of the options I came across was Ozark-Honeydew. I never had a problem. Now, I should say, I bred my dogs to better the breed ALWAYS. Unfortunately, I place most of the blame on AKC for registering anything. I attended a seminar in 2000 where there was a speaker that had actually taken a litter application,filled it out with the numbers of a male and female same breed to register a litter that didn't even exist. By requiring DNA on males now they are trying to correct that but what a mess the Stud Book was before that and it will take years to catch up for their mistake. Their purpose is to make MONEY. How? $25 to register a litter, $2 per pup, then that puppy gets registered again for $15. AKC is a good thing. All my dogs were strictly AKC. The problem is that they don't have enough inspectors to keep up with the mass of puppy mills and most of the puppy mills have went to another registry to avoid inspection. Is there a solution? I doubt it. Unless they can find a way to shut down the mills and even some of what you call "commercial breeders". If it were up to me, there would be some kind of "rule" that says breeders can't keep trying to invent new "breeds" by crossing anything similar in size. That sickens me, when I strived so hard to raise well-bred, socialized, beautiful puppies. To the mills the puppy is just a $. There is an organization in Iowa known as the Iowa Pet Breeders and I am ashamed to say that I belonged to it when it was new. I dropped out when they began spending more time and money on fighting AKC and legislation. It's pretty sad when AKC or USDA revokes a license and the breeder puts his kennel in a different name or uses a different registry and is legal. I have some friends that have 75-200 dogs and they are clean and handled every day. I could go on and on about this subject because it infuriates me too, but I will stop here.........Linda PS I guess I don't have that much of a problem with The Hunte Corp because there is a HUGE broker here in Iowa that does what Hunte does only he has a nasty facility, too many puppies, a bad reputation (he was shut down by USDA as a breeder) Now he just buys from puppy mills and sells for outrageous prices. |
| I found this site while doing a search on the Hunte Corp. I do not know if Jason Scheetz is still involved with the Hunte Corp. or not; however, his sister is Katie Bendlage and she is now also brokering puppies. She links herself with JS Kennels (owned by non other that Jason Scheets) and they are also brokering puppies through a web site www.puppydoghouse.com. They are brokering all breeds of puppies. When I got my puppy from her he was sluggish (seemed drugged) and filthy!! When I asked her for information about the puppy, she avoided me like the plague!
I am posting to as many sites as I possibly can to help make people aware that the Hunte Corp. still exsists and now it's employees or former employees are expanding! I would love to know what can be done about these people. They are not even required by law to tell you that they are not the breeders! If you ask them, they can lie to you and no one will do a thing to them! What is this world coming to? |
| For one the hunte corp offers warranties on all of their puppies why would they want to pay the money for bad dogs that they are going to insure if they know something is going to be wrong with them. Doesnt make sense does it. Also how can you say all petlands are the same they are in affliation but owned by different people. Thats like saying all chinese resteraunts serve cat and dog for their meats. Its rediculos Petland gives you the breeders names and locations they dont try to hide where they get their puppies from and most of the time these puppies are taken better care of at their store than they do at someone who is supposably a good Home. Reading all of this really irritates me and makes me think what gives you the right to critisize petlands what if we critisized rescues that take in to many puppies to take care of at one time to manage all of the vet expeses and give them the good food that they need!!!!! |
Anonymous wrote: For one the hunte corp offers warranties on all of their puppies why would they want to pay the money for bad dogs that they are going to insure if they know something is going to be wrong with them. Doesnt make sense does it. Also how can you say all petlands are the same they are in affliation but owned by different people. Thats like saying all chinese resteraunts serve cat and dog for their meats. Its rediculos Petland gives you the breeders names and locations they dont try to hide where they get their puppies from and most of the time these puppies are taken better care of at their store than they do at someone who is supposably a good Home. Reading all of this really irritates me and makes me think what gives you the right to critisize petlands what if we critisized rescues that take in to many puppies to take care of at one time to manage all of the vet expeses and give them the good food that they need!!!!!
So guest, where is the Petland you own/work located? |
| What does Petland, for instance, provide to potential "buyers"
15 years ago I may have walked into a pet store and thought I was getting a cute puppy! I would have not known to look into the background, as many people don't! I have never heard of a responsible breeder putting their dogs in a "cage' to be sold for 1000 bucks! Don't forget all the extras you talk them into buying! So, the Pet store offers to take the dogs back if there are 'issues" (do they??) What do you do with them then?? Do you return them to the "breeder"? I mean quite honestly does anybody care about the pups well being?? Who in that situation is looking out for the dog?? What is the pup doesn't sell...what do you do with them then?? I am just curious....... Responsible breeders take them back..... Just trying to get answers Thanks |
| Geesh after reading again---I apologize...
Do the pet stores feed higher quality food than rescues do? Just thinking it is odd, look into what most of us feed our dogs..... I feed Canidae to all my foster dogs, as well as my own. I never treat them any different than my own... Just wondering.... |
| Donner's Mom has asked some good questions. I'm also am wondering about the after-purchase-support Petland provides especially for this challenging breed. If nothing else, do they prepare perspective buyers for the mandatory grooming OESs required and how to do it properly?
I came very close to buying a puppy (a terrier) from Petland at the local mall... I even got into one of the little cubicals with him to see how he interacted. That poor pup was older and SO darn hyper... he just couldn't sit still. It would have been a pity purchase and that is not the reason anyone should be buying a dog. You can go to your local shelter or rescue if you want to do that and you'll spend a lot less. Thankfully the local one closed down years ago... |
| I just got in a rescue that has paperwork from HUNTE corp. He was an owner turn in (due to moving). He has all the paperwork and lineage of his parents. I didn't even know who Hunte was until I needed to find out what micro chip company they use. I wanted to make sure the dog got re-assigned to our rescue group. Well i emailed the only email I could find on their site and they did email me back with info, so that made me feel good. I kind of realized what they were when I read around their website. Good to know they are considered a "clean" environment.
Every day we learn something new in our rescue/dog world huh! Fiona |
| I know I will get slammed to th hilt, so I intend on having my say, and not returning to this site, so save your time.
I am really tired of the uneducated raving of a lot of people about commercial breeders. My kennel is very clean, my dogs are extremely healthy and happy. I am USDA certified, and have regular vet visits. I do sell some of my dogs to Hunte. I made a visit to their operation, and took a tour through the whole facility, including seeing the transport vechicles. This is wonderful facility, with tate of the art euipment, and surgical capabilities. The dogs are played with, and very well cared for while they are a this facility, and while being transported. I am so tired of people like those on this board, that slam anyone that is in this business, without any knowledge of the care they give their animals, or their business practices. Why do you feel my puppies do not deserve any type of registration they ar qualified to have such as AKC registaration, as any other qualified dog? Why can you not make the simple realizations tha YES there are BAD breeders out there, just as there are bad parents, bad business owners, etc? Would you agree that I should not have 4 children because, Billy Bob has 4 children and he did not take care of them, or abused them? Why is this any different? Why do you insist on lumping every dog breeder into this type of catagory, due to the actions of a few? I tell the tragedys. While I run a kennel, and have no problem with placing them in wonderful homes, I am overrun by dogs that are dumped off on my property by idiotic, irresponsible dog owners. Should I clump you all in with this catagory of dog owners, just because your dogs may not be registered, or may have been free? For example, I have now a Black and tan hound ddog that was dumped off here. Whe we found her she had 7 puppies in an outbuilding. I would guess this momma, did not weigh more than 20-25 pounds. So far we have spent money on food (bought specific food just for this dog, did not just give her what we feed our small breeds), have spent over $200 (almost $300) dollars on vet supplies, and vet visits. Just to get these dogs healthy enough to find homes for. Guess how many I have had adopted????? none. Even if I do find homes for them, just how likely do you think it will be that those dogs in turn will be abandoned. I can not stand for a dog or any animal to be mistreated, or suffer. I am 99% certain, that when I sell one of my pure breed dogs for $1,200, it is going to be pampered and taken care of for the rest of it's life. There is a commitment to that dog, that is demonstrated by paying the cost for an animal. I am not saying that the only reason the dog will be taken care of is because it has monitary worth, I am saying anyone tha is willing to commit money into purchasing a pet, is also willing to make the commitment to proper care, and time. IF is find a home for these abandoned dogs, there is no commitment, it is still a dog that is freely expendable in their view. Well, I will stop, my rantings, but please stop lumping all breeders into one bad group, and don't think that the care, and commitment I give my animals and kennels is a rarity. Not one breeder that I personally know, is the horrible person that you make us all out to be. |
| About the puppies you sold to Hunte: Tell me about the homes in which they are living. |
| You are not a breeder, you are a manufacturer-
with not quality control. Shellie |
Quote: I am 99% certain, that when I sell one of my pure breed dogs for $1,200, it is going to be pampered and taken care of for the rest of it's life.
Someone paying you $1,200 for a dog is not a guarantee that they have any common sense, will provide a good home or that they have compassion. What testing is done on your breeding dogs to ensure you're not passing along genetic conditions that will cause the dogs you make to suffer? Do you have them OFA rated... say for hips, elbows, etc? Just curious... |
| I am so sick of you all and your "holier than thou" attitude if someone wants to purchase a pet. I don't WANT a rescued dog. I don't WANT a mix, and questionable bred dog. If I want to buy one from petland, or any other store, that it my business. If you think becaseu someone is out there breeding the dogs that I will buy, contributes to the overpopulation of unwanted dogs, you are wrong. If it came down to having a mixed breed, abandoned dog or no dog at all.. I would not own a dog.
Do I love mine less than you do? You don't know anything about the Hunte co. Yet you slander them every chance you get going off the personal, and very biased ravings of some other radical. I did buy dog that was brokered by Hunte once. I called them, and they were able to give me very specific information about the dog, the itter and the breeder. They were extrememly friendly, and offered a tour of their facility any time. So if you want to go about with your rescueing business go ahead, but start going after the stupid people that let their "pets" breed uncontrollably producing all the animals you rescue in the first place. |
guest wrote: I am so sick of you all and your "holier than thou" attitude if someone wants to purchase a pet. I don't WANT a rescued dog. I don't WANT a mix, and questionable bred dog. If I want to buy one from petland, or any other store, that it my business. Sorry to hear your not feeling well Guest. Obviously you really don't mind if your dog has questionable breeding if you buy from a pet store. Why not skip the pet store and find someone with a box of 6 week old pups outside Walmart. Should save you a buck and the breeding is probably better than the mill pups that go to Petland. guest wrote: So if you want to go about with your rescueing business go ahead, but start going after the stupid people that let their "pets" breed uncontrollably producing all the animals you rescue in the first place.
Golly guys, If I'm not mistaken lot's of the dogs that are rescued have been brokered by Hunte. Straight from the puppy mills to your local rescue. Talk about uncontrolled breeding principles. (Sorry Ron, my cup of tea was soured by guests statement) |
Quote: did buy dog that was brokered by Hunte once. I called them, and they were able to give me very specific information about the dog, the itter and the breeder. They were extrememly friendly, and offered a tour of their facility any time.
I'm sure you love your dog and that he/she is wonderful. But it's not about how friendly someone is on the telephone. Being nice has nothing to do with the dogs that are being created and sold. - What genetic pretesting was done on your dog's parents? - At what age did the mother have her first litter? - How often does Hunte and the USDA allow her to be bred? - What happens to a puppy that is found to have a genetic defect? - What happens to the mother (and father) after she's no longer able to produce puppies or the number of live pups born drops to an unprofitable level? We all would like the truth... please provide a list of standards that both the Hunte Corp. and the USDA enforces. Anyone can bring two dogs together to make puppies. Responsible breeders test for genetic conditions before the bitch and dog breed and carefully select the breeding pair by researching conditions that have affected the lines. It takes knowledge and experience or guidance from someone with this knowledge... not simply a license. Responsible breeders also breed dogs at an appropriate, mature age and NOT simply the first time she can conceive. And they don't breed a bitch every time she can make puppies. I'm buying a puppy... he was born a couple of weeks ago. The mother turns 4 years old in July and this is her FIRST litter of puppies. The previous poster mentioned they sell their puppies for $1,200... was this an OES? I'm paying $1,500 and the pup is coming from a breeder that shows her dogs and has been breeding dogs selectively for decades... AND the dogs were both pretested. Hips are OFA good, elbows on the male are normal and CERF on the eyes. Ever had a dog with hip dysplasia? http://oesusa.com/Panda2005.jpg Ever heard of these OFA and CERF ratings? http://offa.org/diseaseinfo.html Depending on the breed, there are conditions that you specifically test for BEFORE the dogs are bred. For hip dysplasia, this means waiting until the breeding dogs are a minimum of 24 months of age to have the hips x-rayed. But some conditions cannot be tested for and this is where the knowledge of the breeder comes in. Ethical breeding is also about responsibly rehoming all breeding dogs once the breeder is finished making a profit off them. Not selling them at dog auctions to whomever pays the highest price. I remember when 3 females came into a rescue with their USDA tags still on them... the owner didn't care who got them or what was going to be done with them... they were only concerned about money from the sale. In my book, ethical breeding is breeding dogs after careful planning in order to produce sound dogs with the best chance of good temperaments and good health. It's about taking back a dog that an owner either doesn't want or can no longer keep so rescues are not burdened by more discarded dogs. |
Tired wrote: , I am 99% certain, that when I sell one of my pure breed dogs for $1,200, it is going to be pampered and taken care of for the rest of it's life. There is a commitment to that dog, that is demonstrated by paying the cost for an animal.
My Patch is a very well-bred OES who cost a lot of money - she ended up on death row and was barely rescued before walking the long walk. I, of course, wouldn't take a million dollars for her (well, maybe a million, but probably not -  ) $1500 is not a lot of money to many so the animal could easily be disposible. Personally, I wish all breeders would take a break from breeding for a short while so the rescues and foster families could catch their breath and the animals already on board could find good homes. Our pets are at our mercy for their quality of life - when I read about these breeding factories wearing out females with all the litters, it breaks my heart in half. It is my experience that big money does not equal a good home - care, love, and affection equals a good home. Shut down those breeding factories and all dogs would have a better chance at a good quality of life. |
| This issue is ultra important to all persons breeding dogs on any level whatsoever.
The very notion of a family owning, loving, caring for one neutered dog is under attack. They want total animal liberation. So what would happen to my hairless cresteds if they eventually win? they would die off is exactly what would happen. Ferrel dogs would breed with each other and we would eventually have to have hunters shoot them to keep the populations down. OMG I cant fight back the tears at that thought, but it is a fact!! They want all dogs to be ferrel, free. What kind of disease control could we have if they won total animal liberation? They want purebred breeding stopped and are currently attacking us. They are running an effective campaigne against pit bulls. Do we really think thats where they will stop? Pease read some of the AR comments. the most important comment in my opinion is from the founder of peta herself that can be viewed on youtube. http://youtube.com/watch?v=XYvSzsgolVY& ... re=related I will transcribe it here to reach anyone unable to get youtube.... "Our goal is total animal liberation, and the day when everyone believes that animals are not ours to eat, not ours to wear, not ours to experiment, and not ours for entertainment, or any other exploitive purpose." "Remember this, rights movements never go away. They always get stronger, They always attract more people, and there is no point whatsoever is wasting your time fighting them, because we will grow,we will win, and thats a fact" ingrid Newkirk The above is an excellent way to begin educating the uninformed. It shows Ingrid herself stating her goals. here are more statements made by Ingrid newkirk.. In the end I think it would be lovely if we stopped this whole notion of pets altogether Those who argue against a breeding ban for pit bulls are naive. People who genuinely care about dogs won't be affected by a ban on pit-bull breeding "We are not in the home finding business, although it is certainly true that we do find homes from time to time for the kind of animals that people are looking for. Our service is to provide a peaceful, and painless death to animals who no one wants" Ingrid Newkirk, PETA president, The virginia pilot, July 20, 2005 "It is totally a rotten business, but sometimes the only kind option for some animals is to put them to sleep forever" Ingrid Newkirk, PETA president, The virginia pilot, August 1, 2000. "There is no hidden agenda Our Goal is total animal liberation" Ingrid Newkirk, Animal rights convention 2002 June 30, 2002. We do not advocate "right to life" for animals. We are not especially "interested in animals. Neither of us had ever been inordinately fond of dogs, cats, or horses in the way that many people are. We didnt love animals Peter singer, Ingrid Newkirk's mentor Peta's founder AR groups have done a whole lot of damage. It will take years of unity among all dog breeders to undo this damage, but if we stick together and fight this war, we can make a difference!!! Do I personally agree with puppy mills, no I do not. even if they are testing, feeding their dogs, giving shots to their dogs I will never agree with lack of socization of puppies, and allowing their breeding stock to live in small cages, breeding every heat. so these are the things I will personally focus on for my breeding stock, and my puppies. If it means defending the legal right of mediocre breeders to retain my own right to show (shows are very under attack as well) and breed my heart breed, I will do so!!! Breeding quality dogs has always been honerable, That is not so today as we all know. Lets fight them and regain our honor!!! I can not tell you how deeply I feel for this topic. Now lets work together and get er done |
| I agree...now if we could only get the AKC to fight the AR groups as wholeheartedly!!!!!!! |
| The AKC is simply a registry. They make their money on people registering dogs to their registry. They do not care how a dog is treated, nor have they ever. They are creeping into turning bad breeders in for bad conditions though.
http://hometown.aol.com/usnaaktehond/index.html |
| so Donna what are you objecting to? PETA or puppy mills? w railing against one doesn't mean you are for the other but what do you want AKC to do> act as a registry? be an advocate of animal rights? or fight against restrictive dog laws? It does get tricky. |
| It was me who thought they should be more involved with support for those against the AR people. Just seems to me that they make most of their money on purebred dogs, you would think they could take a more active stand against those who want to abolish them. It will take some money and numbers to stop them. I wasn't trying to start an arguement...just stating my opinion. |
| not arguing - i was just trying to follow the posts. I got your point.
having tea now  |
| LOL. |
| Good point....
Regarding fighting against the over zealousness of PeTA... If not the AKC, then who? |
| I sure wish I knew how to get the AKC to champion the cause. Wouldn't that be amazing if all the breed clubs could band together and petition them...just all the breed clubs banding together would be amazing. I certainly think it is a cause worth fighting for. |
| well those who elong to a breed club could broach the subject, as well as local kennel clubs |
| I'm not educated enough to say ANYTHING on the subject, except that it makes me feel relieved to see that none of the local malls have pet stores anymore, and the local pet stores in the area have all closed (years ago)... when I was young, it was neat to look at the cute animals, but now that I'm older and more aware, I am happy to go on the internet and google them and see their cute faces. Much safer and healthier for the critters...
I'd just like all animals to be loved and well cared for, and I'm grateful to the wonderful people in rescue organizations who do some much to protect them. (and since there are MANY of you on this forum - THANK YOU!!!) |
| just thought i'd make a comment on one made previously about hunte being a puppy miller- i am a veterinary technician and have been for ten years. my FIRST AND ONLY concern is for the welfare of ALL animals EVERYWHERE, so when i had the opportunity to visit the hunte corporation in goodman, mo, i jumped at it, ready to find anything and everything i could to take them down. instead, it is what i didn't find that convinced me that they are NOT the "puppymillers" they are accused of being.
First- Hunte does not breed puppies. They purchase puppies from selected breeders, and do a better job of tracking the husbandry of these animals and doing what they can to make sure that they are raising healthy pups than i can say for ANY local breeder i have EVER come into contact with. Not only do they work closely with the breeder to ensure a healthy puppy, but they have "blue ribbon" programs in which the breeder can be educated on all aspects of canine health. Now, you know that smell when you walk in the vet's office that knocks you in the face? This smell is NONEXISTENT in these kennels. In my experience, this is extremely rare for any animal facility, and doesn't happen in the few days before the visit. They are clean and sanitary and well kept. These people are trying to do the best thing by the animal by taking many precautions to reduce stress (in effect reducing illness) keeping the animals clean, vaccinated and happy. Yes, their puppies are expensive, but think- exceptional food, care and shelter are not cheap and certainly not free, you get what you pay for. i myself prefer to adopt, but that is a personal choice- do most of you not get your sheepdogs from breeders? How do you know for certain that your own breeder is not part of a "puppymill" (does anyone even know what that is? never seen one...) I see many of you making claims about this company, and i went there as many of you- thinking they were the devils. But i have to say that i could not find ANYTHING substandard about their facility and feel that they are genuinely looking out for the puppies that they buy. You probably have been misinformed, think about it- anyone can post anything on the net or write a magazine article- does that make it true? I have seen it with my own eyes, and i really think that if you did, you might not have the same outlook on the corporation. Check it out, even if your goal is to find anything and everything wrong with it- you will be suprised. |
| Hm, Anon - I've talked to others who have said the same. The great irony is that Hunte annually sponsors the single best educational conference in the US when it comes to the SCIENCE of breeding dogs - bringing in top geneticists, long time top SHOW breeders to talk about structure <gulp>, top reproduction vets, etc - the very people those of us who breed & show pay big bucks to hear speak...
I know of several long time show breeders, not OES as it happens, who live somewhat local to the conference who have taken advantage of Hunte's generous educational opportunities and attended the conference in question. Mark that down to things that make you go 
They went as you did, expecting to meet "the enemy", and instead found regular dog people, though more business oriented than what we're used to, who wanted to learn how to breed better dogs and who stood in line at the various vendors buying the latest and best equipment and toys and treats and blah blah blah for their dogs. Do I feel comfortable with the concept of mass production of dogs, would I get a dog from one of their breeders or let one of my dogs end up there? No, no and emphatically NO. That is my choice and I have a right to feel that way. But do I have a right to want them to be abolished just because they don't breed as I choose? I've thought about it a lot and, in my mind, no, I don't. The bottom line is that they are a business, the breeders who breed for them are (generally) business people and it just does NOT make sense from a business point of view to treat your dogs badly - no. the dogs who are bred are not their pets; but unsanitary, stressed, sick, abused dogs do not tend to "produce" well. Producing sick puppies is not good business. Now, you can cringe at the thought of puppies being a business, but, guess what, show breeders and even decent BYBs - or small scale non-show breeders if you will (and, yes, I do believe there are such breeders; even if they don't know what the breed is supposed to look and be like, at least they health test and take their dogs back) cannot fill the entire demand, especially in certain breeds, so where are the rest of the puppies going to come from? I still have some serious issues as a breeder when it comes to knowing the breeds they are producing, knowing what health testing should be done, and how much health testing is actually done; the age the puppies are transported and put up for sale, socialization of puppies - on a larger scale you typically cannot do what a small time fancier will and does do for their puppies - follow up, supporting the buyer over the life of the dog, education about the breed, supporting educucational and research efforts pertaining to the health of your breed, talking the people for whom your breed is clearly not a good choice into considering another breed or type of dog, and, of course, there is no way such a breeder or the Hunte corporation can stand by their dogs for life That said, I think we're a little to quick to scream Puppy Mill. They are commercial breeders. We need to decide if our issue is with the commercial breeders (and others!) who haphazardly breed untested dogs in squalor - you know, the images we're constantly assaulted with the minute someone mentions the word "breeder" - or with the entire notion of people making a living selling dogs. Breed clubs are finally starting to wake up to the fact that the AR movement is painting us all with the same brush ANYWAY, that they want all breeding abolished, and we too, right along with the public, have in many ways been "had" by their highly emotional propaganda. That's not meant to be a ringing endorsement of Hunte - as a rescue person I may very well have had to rehome a few of the dogs they've brokered, and that does not thrill me. I'd much rather people get their dogs from breeders who are deeply involved in the breed on every level, who take it upon themselves to support and educate their puppy buyers, and who will rehome the dogs they sold themselves if needed. But I'm not ready to jump on the band wagon to crucify Hunte or commercial breeders merely on principle for that matter either. When I hear the lies the AR movement puts out there about breeders like me, I have to ask myself what other lies are being circulated. Dig deeper and the reality can be very surprising. Unsettling, still, but surprisingly different that the lies we've been fed. Kristine |
| www.Guidestar.org shows AKC operating as: AMERICAN KENNEL CLUB COMPANION ANIMAL RECOVERY CORPORATION, their 990 has many red flags for a not for profit:
Income of over $4M in 2006, over 300K in interest In Statement 4 (Grants & Allocations): Mississippi State Univ $100K in 2006 / Univ of FL Foundation $40K in 2006 John Lyons (Type 1 Direct Control) - whatever that title means: $240K/yr income James Stevens (Type 1 Direct Control): $321K/yr income Assistant VP a normal salary of $86K/yr Programmer a normal salary of $78K/yr Marketing Manager a normal salary of $58K/year In Statement 12 Profession fees: Speedy Pet Tags $304K for 2006 (that's a lot of tags) / TEK Systems (IT service) $154K in 2006 (the only two listed in Statement 12) |
| To 'Tired' Guest:
I am really tired of the uneducated raving of a lot of people about commercial breeders. My kennel is very clean, my dogs are extremely healthy and happy. I am USDA certified, and have regular vet visits. I do sell some of my dogs to Hunte. I made a visit to their operation, and took a tour through the whole facility, including seeing the transport vechicles. This is wonderful facility, with tate of the art euipment, and surgical capabilities. The dogs are played with, and very well cared for while they are a this facility, and while being transported. I find it hard to believe that you are, indeed, bothered in the least by the 'uneducated raving' of others, as not only your grammatical but spelling mistakes are atrocious. Perhaps your time would be more advantageously spent by returning to elementary school in lieu of breeding dogs irresponsibly. Moreover, from your post it would seem as though you understand the problem of irresponsible pet owners and do try to get involved and help in your own way. However, how in the world, with such knowledge and experiences, can you justify continuing your breeding practice? You have a disgusting disdain for life and the well being of animals, as evident by your post and your overall apathetic and uninformed attitude towards breeding. You are not fit, by any means. You should be ashamed of yourself. P.S. Tragedys is spelled Tragedies. Please purchase a dictionary. [/i] |
| Is this Hunte Corp like a Wal-Mart for dogs? |
Quote: ["Anonymous"] Its rediculos Petland gives you the breeders names and locations they dont try to hide where they get their puppies from and most of the time these puppies are taken better care of at their store than they do at someone who is supposably a good Home. Reading all of this really irritates me and makes me think what gives you the right to critisize petlands what if we critisized rescues that take in to many puppies to take care of at one time to manage all of the vet expeses and give them the good food that they need!!!!!
Ok I'm not sure what Petland you have visited, but the couple that are in my area most certainly DO NOT give you any Breeder info to be able to contact them. The papers that you get (if they have any) are generally from the ACA and the "name" of the breeder is no where to be found on a internet search, nor are there any addresses for the breeder. Yes, they seem to take care of the puppies while they have them, however when you ask them too many questions about the puppies lineage they can not answer those and do not offer to have anyone contact you to answer them. I personally know of three people who have purchased puppies from them to only find out that the puppy has some sort of serious medical condition and after a lot of money spent on vet care only one out of three survived. I'm not saying that medical conditions can't happen to even the best breeders, the difference is the good breeder is going to do what they can to make it right. At Petland not only do you go through the grief of losing your pet, you also have to go through an extremely long process to either get a replacement or your money back...and the money you get back is only the initial purchase price of the puppy, none for any of the vet charges  . My Kody was purchased by his first owners from a small family owned pet shop...when I went to check to see if they had an address for the breeder he came from they did not have that information... I was told that they call a man (would not give me his name) roughly once a month to get their puppies delivered to them. So I can only assume he came from either a backyard breeder or a puppymill since I can not track the breeder. Lucky for me he has checked out fine and I wouldn't trade him for anything but I do not know what hereditary issues he may develop in the future or what symptoms to watch out for. Anyway his family no longer wanted to deal with him so I did not pay a dime for him, but his first family got him "On Sale" for the bargain price of $750.00+ tax because the pet shop didn't want to house this big puppy with all of the cute little ones because he was too clumsy and might hurt one of the designer pups...their words not mine ! I'll step off of my soapbox now, I just wanted to vent about this and get my two cents in there. |
| What i am going to say right now is this. I have not been to any of the seminar's but from those that i know of that HAVE been to these seminars they are very well done. And what is sad, is that they are for FREE where parent breed clubs are giving the same seminar (only 1 or 2 at a time compared to 3 full days) are costing the Breed Club Members big bucks to go to sometimes!
The other item i see, is that with our fight with Animal Rights Agenda's right now, and we are being bombarded the most ever with multi states each day....... is that we may need to join with these "professional breeder Corporations" or whatever you want to call them in the fight against PETA. Peta's agenda is for no one, absolutely no one to own an animal of anykind period. Hampster, dog, cat, cow or goat or whatever! AKC is only a registry. And only CLUBS can be members. Perhaps if they would consider individual memberships that would/could solve a number of problems. The CKC is a membership club...... and I personally like how they have things set up.... |
| I really wish I would have done more research before I paid $3000 for my English Bull Dog at Petland! I am a very successful smart person but was very naive when it came to breeding and puppy mills. I was told my dog was AKC and shown her Pedigree lines having 10 champions ect... My daughter called me from the pet store and the puppy had all the characteristics I was looking for (luckily has been the greatest sweetest dog ever) but when I went to register with the AKC I did not see the paperwork and noticed her paperwork said APR the tricky part was they have AKC paperwork in the packet but it was to register for chipping or tracking purposes and had a little AKC tag. In the excitment of the purchase and my kids begging I believed the Petland salesman and did not read every detail of the contract. I called them after and they said there was nothing they could do but contact the breeder Katie Bendlage. OK first of all her name is on the pedigree but she is not a registered breeder??? She states on the internet she has the parents on site ect.. but I have emailed and called several times and realized this is a scam and using JC kennels (her brother) to send to Hunte corp and ship to puppy mills all for Petland/Petstores. She is all over the internet selling different breeds and needs to be shut down! She is a pig farmer now breeding dogs the same way her family breeds pigs! But worse! I really thought when I went into a pet store that those dogs needed a home too and I still do but if we stop purchasing from Petland and we force AKC and breeders to be responsible, puppies will be breed hopefully by more responsible breeders and we will all be more informed. I have emailed and phoned Katie Bendlage several times to find out information about my dog and she has never responded. Please make sure when you buy a puppy you go see the breeder or get references ect... I really love my dog but feel very mislead and don't like when people are making money from being fraudulent! |
| I've been reading alot of the post and reviews lately. I'm considering a job with hunte, despite all the knocks against this company I'll still put my app in. One thing I know is that everyone has an opion, whether it's right or wrong! I have 3 pitts, full blooded, champion blood lines, & and they are my BABIES! I do plan on breeding them once and making a little money, then they are getting fixed. Enough about that. What I don't understand is how many people out there are fighting for dog rights, tv commercials, radio commercials, computer ads, blogs, chat, and ect. Now where getting laws in Missouri. And tax money going to all this? I love dogs and would never mistrete one! With all the problems in the USA, you all pic this. Are cats next, or did I miss that? Why don't you all just love YOUR pet and focus on subjects that are more important? When was the last time you seen something on tv, radio, computer, or ect about and abused child? I really ain't seen it eather!!! It's there and it's there alot! Why don't you spend your time helping the children? Are they less important than the dogs? Get your priorities in order and get invovled in something that really matters. |
 Oh, I'm going to enjoy this....... |
| Amazingly, some of us are capable of caring about dogs AND kids (and a whole host of other vulnerable creatures) all at the same time!! |
????? wrote: I've been reading alot of the post and reviews lately. I'm considering a job with hunte, despite all the knocks against this company I'll still put my app in. One thing I know is that everyone has an opion, whether it's right or wrong! I have 3 pitts, full blooded, champion blood lines, & and they are my BABIES! I do plan on breeding them once and making a little money, then they are getting fixed. Enough about that. What I don't understand is how many people out there are fighting for dog rights, tv commercials, radio commercials, computer ads, blogs, chat, and ect. Now where getting laws in Missouri. And tax money going to all this? I love dogs and would never mistrete one! With all the problems in the USA, you all pic this. Are cats next, or did I miss that? Why don't you all just love YOUR pet and focus on subjects that are more important? When was the last time you seen something on tv, radio, computer, or ect about and abused child? I really ain't seen it eather!!! It's there and it's there alot! Why don't you spend your time helping the children? Are they less important than the dogs? Get your priorities in order and get invovled in something that really matters. It' pretty obvious from your post that you will probably "fit right in" at the Hunte Corporation. |
| Awesomeeeeeeeeee. This has to be a troll. It's just too perfect. |
ButtersStotch wrote: Awesomeeeeeeeeee. This has to be a troll. It's just too perfect. My thought as well. No pot stirring needed. |
| I just can't help myself. Among other things about ?????'s post..... Why, since this is a dog forum - and the conversation that you yourself participated in is about dogs, do you assume we don't all have other concerns? Maybe even more important concerns?The OP wasn't about the starving babies, or war, or orphan children. We were talking about dogs. ?????-Start a thread about anything you think is more important and is more deserving of attention. I'm betting there would be opinions about it, no matter what it was. Then some fool can come to your thread and rant about what an idiot you are to care so deeply about your post topic. Champion bloodline pitts? Can someone clarify this for me? ASTs? Yet another one who shouldn't be breeding. Does it never end? I realize ????? will never see this, but sometimes I just can't keep it to myself. Shellie |
????? wrote: Get your priorities in order and get invovled in something that really matters. Good idea! I'm going to start a new organization teaching people how to use spell check.  |
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