We unfortunaltely bought a very adorable puppy over the internet. After spending just a few days with the pup, I noticed some aggressive tendencies such as lunging and biting. He also relentlessly jumped and bit at my children and their clothing. After taking him to puppy class, the trainer recommended sending the dog back. She believed the dog was a "bad" dog with a temperament unsuitable for our family. She spent over 30 minutes with us and the dog doing all sorts of assessments. The next day we took the dog to the vet for an exam before sending him back to the "breeder." The dog bit the vet and had to be muzzled and sedated. We flew the pup back to Missouri where the breeder abandoned him at the airport. The airline called us and we then called a shelter. The shelter picked him up and in the end, found him a proper home. We hope no one else goes through this terrible experience.
I'm sorry you had such a bad experience, & I do feel terrible for that poor puppy that was left abandoned at the airport, I hope there is some kind of agency you can report the breeder to, people like that have no right to breed. I myself found my puppy on the internet but have had such a wonderful experience with him, that he has made all our lives so much happier. I first did some research on the breed with the help of the internet. When i found a puppy for sale, I had called a breeder and she had sold all the pups, she was kind enough to refer me to some one else. When I talked to the next breeder she was so helpful and informative, you could tell she loved her dogs. She did give me a number of reference's to call and I made sure that I called a few of them. I think that that was a very important part of my buying the puppy. I know that there are a lot of breeders out there who don't really care about the breed and who are only doing this for monetary rewards, so you must be careful and do some research on the breeder and her dogs. I'm sorry you had such a bad experience. Many OES puppy's go through a teething stage or nipping stage, but most do grow out of this, but biting as a form of aggression is something else, I don't actually know what that is like. My Dog would love to bite the back of my legs and ankles, but he did grow out of this stage, and he will give us these little nuzzle bites, were he rubs his teeth on us never to hurt us but it is almost like a grooming technique.
If you are still interested in the breed I can give you the name of our breeder. Good Luck. They are really beautiful and very sweet, sweet dogs. I truly hope that one day you get to experience the wonder and happiness that these dogs can bring to a family
Dawn & Buddi
|Laurie, I'm wondering the name of the breeder who you had to send the puppy back to? I just want to make sure we don't end up with that breeder. Thanks! ~Becca|
|We just got our new pup off the internet. He's a texan. But the breeder was very nice even sent a cd family album of him and his family from the day he was born. She even made sure we called her as soon as we picked him up and was open to help in any way! He's a little stubborn but I'm pretty sure that it's because he's an Alpha.
As for the breeder I suggest you report them to the any of these
CKC = Continental Kennel Club
FCI = Fédération Cynologique Internationale
AKC = American Kennel Club
UKC = United Kennel Club
KCGB = Kennel Club of Great Britain
CKC = Canadian Kennel Club
ANKC = Australian National Kennel Club
NKC = National Kennel Club
NZKC = New Zealand Kennel Club
And make a big fuss! Someone like that doesn't deserve to be around sheepies!
|We found Annabelle now almost 6 months old over the internet. She was a texan too. The people were wonderful. They had 4 boys ranging from 5 to 18 to help socialize the puppies and you could tell how much they loved their dogs. They also sent pictures of her on a weekly basis. Annabelle has a wonderful personality. She is very obedient and potty trained very quickly.
I feel bad that your experience was so awful. I do hope that you will try the breed again. As you can see from most of the posts on here that the OES breed is a beautiful breed inside and out.
As I have talked about how wonderful Annabelle is, our male Jack was and still is....the less stubborn of the 2 dogs and he was easier to train. He is also calmer of the two, happy to just lay at your feet. Annabelle loves to bounce everywhere. She is always wanting to do something. I don't know if that is a common difference between male and female's but I have noticed a difference between them.
Good luck to you on your next puppy whatever breed it is.
|We got a new puppy 2 weeks ago from an amazing breeder in West Virginia. She chose the puppy for us which at first I was a little uneasy about. She said the other pups were going to show homes. Anyway, Willie is 10 weeks old and soooo sweet. He is starting to learn to go outside but is having trouble sleeping through the night. We know we made the right decision in sending the other dog back. Willie is a perfect dog for our house which is always full of kids. We couldn't love him more!|
|Just wanted to say that we have a wonderful OES male from a breeder via internet. Much research/ phone calls took place prior to making decision. Griffon is delightful !!! The breeders were so helpful and very caring. He was well socialized ( bettter than a lot of humans). He came to us from Fla. What a joy ... what love he is ! Our other 4 y.o. female/ Patch was bought in a nearby county. We believe that Griffon is more fortunate ( better "build, better bloodline, smooth/ sweet spirit). I guess ya never really know. I have to say that we spent far more time "working with" Patch. She was a very high anxiety dog. Geez... when I think about the internet dog thing... I kinda shudder. I mean - what an expensive risk that was.
Gotta love these babies !!!!
Merry Christmas to you and your sheepies !
|We got our now 2 year-old F OES from a breeder in Missouri over the net. This pup (whose pic you see) was the runt of the litter whose dam and sire were both champions, and also had a congenital heart condition called a patent ductus arteriosis (PDA).
I want to be very very clear about this: the breeder told us in advance about everything she knew to be wrong with the dog, and also offered us a $200 rebate if expensive surgery was needed to repair the PDA. Otherwise, I really believe they were going to put her down. This breeder came through exactly as advertised, even sending us the $200 when the PDA corrective surgery bill ($2600 in all) came in. If I recall correctly, we paid the breeder $400 to put our puppy on the plane.
We live near NYC ... the breeder put the puppy on the plane (American Airlines), and we picked her up at LaGuardia when the plane got there. We literally took the crate off the off-plane conveyor belt. We could tell from the airbill that she spent nearly zero time on the ground in Missouri waiting to take off.
All in all, I think the breeder took a slight loss on this transaction. She was absolutely honorable, and we have the most beautiful, loving sheepie you could ever want. She even came with papers. We just had to agree not to breed her -- this was for good reason ... the strain on her heart (still) could kill her, and I also was told that the breeder wanted to end this line because of PDAs that kept coming up.
I added this post to let everybody know that not every Internet OES breeder is a "puppy mill", and it's just like everything else: you run into good people and slimeballs in equal proportions no matter which way you make contact. I still believe that the good Lord was smiling on everyone involved from beginning to end, particularly the team of surgeons that corrected the PDA, as well as the breeder herself.
I will not identify this breeder publically; but will pass along a reference through a private message or e-mail. She is a most honest and honorable dog person: if only all breeders were of this quality!
Merry Christmas, everyone!
|I hate to brand all breeders in Missouri as bad seeds but they have a notorious "puppy mill" reputation. They were even featured on 60 minutes at one time. In 1989 I purchased a female OES from a PET store (boy was I naive) that had roots in MO. She was the light of my life but she sure had a ton of health issues that cost me thousands of dollars to alleviate, these health issues were mostly inherited (hips, diabetes, eyes and sinus issues).
The internet is but a tool to locate breeders like using the Yellow Pages after that you need to do some serious home work. Questions like how are the puppies raised, references, does the breeder show previous adoption photos. Make a phone call and interview them, visit in person if you can. The ultimate goal is to expose the unscrupulous and drive them out of business. In 2002 I used the internet as a reference to locate a wonderful breeder near Abilene, TX. I spoke with her on the phone for 1 hour and then made the 400 mile round trip to personally visit with her. We got our current OES ASHLEY from her. She was a wonderful person with nothing to hide. All puppies are raised in the home and nutrition was her mantra. All dogs are OFA certified and are only provided with a partial AKC registration to keep her babies out of Puppy Mills. Her website features photos of her family and everyone that adopts becomes a member of a Yahoo group so that we can keep in touch.
She is also active in OES rescue and that says a lot. We have reunions every 6 months where owners and their babies visit with Grandma and Grandpa. It is basically an extended family and one that I am blessed to be a part of. In 2 weeks ASHLEY will be getting a "sister" Abigail from the same breeder, different parents of course. We have visited with her and watched the weekly photos that she posts. I have full confidence in her.
This is no sales pitch but check the website of this OES angel at http://www.maraposaoaks.com.
I am impressed!! That website is awesome and I would recommend everyone to view it. It does seem that these individuals care about their Sheepies. Thanks for posting the url.
|Yes Marianne they are the most caring couple I have met in regards to the OES. I never though I would also gain human friends when I got my 4 legged friend.
I just wanted the initial poster to see what an internet web site for a respectable breeder should look like. The most telling thing is that most of the "parents" are in a Yahoo group and occasionally post photos of their babies on this site. You not only adopt a baby from them but you join a family. A few weeks ago I took my 14 month old female to their ranch to visit and view the 19 puppies that she had (2 mamas delivered within 1 week of each other, wow). There they were 19 beautiful pups all with different markings. What a sight, my female was astounded she just layed there and let them crawl all over her. It was heartwarming. Within minutes of my arrival I was given a bottle and a baby and ordered to feed and burp, what a treat.
She does not breed for markings, you get what you get. I checked one breeders sight and they actually had various prices posted for charecteristics, seems that a pure white head with a pair of China Blue eyes is what the Yuppies think they must have. When they start jacking up prices for certain markings then you know they will breed for that characteristic. Mt advice is to avoid this breeder like the plauge, they will ruin the breed with this activity, just my opinion.
Thanks for your kind words.
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