Bailey and Eevee got in a fight

It all happened so fast, I couldn't tell who started it. I think they were fighting over a piece of kibble that fell on the floor while we were cleaning. This is so not normal for either of them, it usually never gets worse than one of them growling, maybe a little nip, but never really fighting. They were really going at each other, Jacob and I could barely pull them apart, Jacob even got nipped in the chaos. Bailey got bit on the leg, there's a small puncture wound there, there was blood on Eevee and she didn't have any injuries so I'm figuring it was from where Bailey got bit. It doesn't look too bad, she's been taking care of it. I'm going to keep an eye on it though in case it gets infected or something. Anyway, we separated them for an hour after that, and then they were back to normal. I'm still worried this could happen again, though. What can i do to help make sure this doesn't happen again?
Bailey has been growling at other dogs lately, but only new dogs, and Eevee is usually the more dominant of the two of them. Eevee is more food protective than Bailey. Bailey is normally a pushover, but she likes to test her boundaries with Eevee sometimes. So I really can't tell which one of them started it. I was cleaning when it started. What do I do? :( And what will wash the blood color out of Eevee's fur? I got as much out as I could but it's still tinted red.
On top of everything, I think Eevee is starting to lose some of her puppy fur, I found a matt starting to clump up on her belly.
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Two dogs trying to determine pecking order. You'll have to be very careful about putting them in competitive situations......feed separately for example. As soon as you notice posturing, break it up, give each a good chewing out and send them in opposite directions. Good stress relief for you, just bellow. No hitting, but plenty of loud noises. In time you'll be able to pick up warning signs and can bellow, thus preventing problems. You want them to be a pack so they'll have to "work it out together."

An early sheepdog mentor put it thus: "at times you just have to go make some tea......." meaning let them snarl and snap, don't get involved. Deal with holes later.

Blood, try salty water.........or hydrogen peroxide
Zoey tends to get a bit loud at feeding time. I think it's just her way of reminding Caity that she was there first. We've also noticed that Caitlyn doesn't seem to know when enough is enough. They'll be playing when Zoey will have had enough and snapped at Caitlyn and she seems to see this as a sign to step up her attacks and just keeps at Zoey until Zoey has no choice but to defend herself. This is usually when I step in. I try to let them work it out but lately, Caity is really pushing the limits. She's growing up and wants that top spot. Little does she realize, I OWN that top spot!!!

We do feed them in their open door crates, which are side-by-side with a towel hanging between them so they can't see each other. As Susan suggested, I've learned what noises to listen for before Zoey starts to get vocal and I can usually get loud when the time is perfect.

All these are just perks of dog ownership...
Vance
Watch their heads. My house is a lot like Vance's right now - ok much of the time, but there is definitely a struggle between my girls about pecking order. I am just waiting for the brawl. In the meantime - watch their heads - I've noticed that when either dog is not feeling the love, they have a "stance" in which they stand stock still and lower their head a bit below their shoulders and then glare at the other dog. This ALWAYS precedes a serious snapping match. Usually it's over a toy - I've had to become "master of toys and everything else" in my house, or it would be non-stop dog fighting.

I personally am going to take Susans advice about the chewing them out when I see this posture. I know what it means now - I KNOW it's an aggressive stance.

As for the blood, can't help you there - I didn't have any problem with blood on Ava when she was losing teeth, or the one time she managed to bite her own lip (dork!). It just kinda came off. But there wasn't large amounts of it either.
Dab a little hydrogen peroxide on the blood stain. Should take it out quickly.
I was told that the boys a more chilled out but the girls is diff mater. I think you have to point out that you are top of the list & they are at the bottom & everyone has put good points in
Eevee eats in the crate with the door closed and doesn't get to come out until Bailey is finished eating in the other room. This is the first time we have ever intervened when they were going at each other, it usually isn't so bad so we just let them work things out for themselves, and that's usually just fine.
This morning, the blood stains were gone except for the one on her chin, and I got that off.
We have had a few serious fights between the boys over the years. The best way to break it up is to dump or squirt a large volume of water on their heads. If they are really in a zone loud noise will not distract them, at least not for mine. Please be vigilant about the puncture wound, Gabe got Zachary under the ear and while it didn't look bad it was a $550 vet bill from the resulting infection. Treats cause the most fights so we don't do them if the boys are in the same room.
I tried some of the things I read in posts about dog fights at the dog park, first we tried loud noise, then I dumped a cup of water on them, and then I tried to squirt them with the water bottle, none of that worked so we ended up having to pull them apart.
Bailey's puncture is healing nicely so far, it's smaller than it was yesterday, it's closing up. I am definitely keeping an eye on it.
You need a literal big bucket of water for it to work, tossed right in the face if possible.
I didn't have a bucket handy, our only bucket is outside. I'll get one to keep inside, just in case.
It sounds mostly like posturing. If they were serious, the wounds would be too. Sometimes you get minor punctures just by virtue of stray teeth. I'm not sure it sounds so serious that it warrants tossing a bucket of water in the house ;-) How about having a very loud air horn on hand?

Before I got my rescue dog the only experience I had with breaking up fights was when I was house-sitting for friends and two of their bitches got into it. I was alone so ended up shoving a chair between the two of them and then shoving one out the back door to let them cool down. Rescue dog, who is a resource guarder and just plain annoying to other dogs, not really looking for a fight, has added all kinds of layers of tension among the crew and petty flare ups are not uncommon. That's not to say I appreciate them, but most are truly just a lot of noise and more annoying than anything. Still, my rule of thumb is if snarking lasts more than five seconds or one dog has pinned another down and neither are ceding, or it looks like other dogs may pick sides and jump in, I grab dogs single handedly and drag them apart, and knock on wood, not even a scratch (on me) to date. But it can happen easily in the heat of the moment.

Sybil will also intercede and all it usually takes is her to step in and slap her sister around a bit (most of the tension is between Dazz and Macy) Sybil took Dazzle under her wing, eh, paw? back when she was still a foster and will usually step in if it looks like another dog is getting the upper hand. It is AMAZING how quickly things settle down when Sybil gets involved. Guess we know who the real alpha here is :roll: :lol:

On the flip side, Dazzle, ever the social climber, has lately tried to tell Sybil she can't get on her bed (that would be my bed, actually, but who's keeping track? :roll: :wink: Sybil considers it HER bed) That has not gone over well at all. You'd think Dazzle would be smart enough to stay on the good side of the only dog in the house who likes her.

Oddly enough, the three siblings, Sybil, Mace and Che, now six years old (I kept two bitches and one boy came back to me and I decided not to rehome him - he was nominally my Dad's after that, but anyway) have their own, embarrassing way to work rank out among them: when Macy has had a really good agility run, or Sybil feels like reminding her sister that she holds MFD status (most favored dog), or Che is feeling his oats because he is my walking buddy when I just want to relax and enjoy, they hump each other! I come back from running Macy in agility, stick her in the ex-pen and the next thing I know, Macy is humping Sybil and Sybil is looking like "get this troll off me or I swear I will rip her face off". Sometimes when I load them into the van to drive home from class one will be humping the other. I order that one off, turn around to find the other bitch humping the first bitch. I don't mind this so much when they happen in private (my van, my living room) but when it happens at trials... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hopefully yours are just sorting out some stuff and this too will pass.

Kristine
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Well, I'll go out on a limb on this one but any "fight" that involves bites and blood I would consider a problem. However, we do not feed both dogs ( orgive bones or toys) with them in the same room. Bowie eats in one room and bella eats in another. I stand in between so one can't get to the other but early on I used a baby gate to keep them apart while eating. Dogs can get possessive over food and/or toys and chews so we avoid putting them in that position.

Most of the time dogs will work it out themselves but becoming overly excited can cause fights sometimes. My can get a bit out of control when they ar playing and chasing each other and I have to calm them down. Put them in a down postion - both of them at the same time - and let them calm and then release and they can play again. What breed is your other dog? Dogs high in prey drive can get overly excited. Be alert to the first signs of them getting out of control and as you learned don't stick your hands in between or you will get bit.

Have you been through any training classes with either dog? The classes can be helpful and can teach your dog how to communicate with other dogs. Hope it works out. And in the meantime, be careful and alert.
Bailey is an Aussie. We did go through obedience classes with both of them. They are fed separately, and they don't normally fight over anything. I think it was just the kibble falling on the floor and then both of them went after it at the same time. Everything has been back to normal lately.
My thought is that Bailey is going through her teen issues, Eevee is loosing her puppy license...both at the same time.
It may sound bad, but in most situations the best is to let them work it out. If you interrupt, they never get things sorted out, so they will keep doing it until they have it all figured out. Human intervention just keeps delaying and interrupting.

And with both being females - it may get a bit more heated and stubbornly protested. :?

There is a very good reason I have a 5 male and 1 female dog household. :)
got sheep wrote:
My thought is that Bailey is going through her teen issues, Eevee is loosing her puppy license...both at the same time.

That's what I was thinking.
If anything does come up, we usually do let them sort it out on their own. This time we had to step in because it was getting pretty bad.
Our trainer said that 2 females will scrap. As in humans girls fight :P
Many other dog owners we have met say that 2 males is better than 2 females for the fighting reason...

Just keep bathing the wounds with warm salt water :) Should get better soon.
And no, you should never interfere in a dog fight. You could get seriously hurt. Have a loud fog horn handy or a bucket of water to scare them off.

I only have 1 dog Bloo so i cant say much here. But bloo has gotten attacked on the park a few times by the same dog, it is scary i know, but luckily bloo was on lead and i had the ball launcher i could smack the other dog with until we managed to scramble away :P
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