"He's only growling"...

Hi, I just need to vent. Yesterday, we took Winston to a dog park (one of those enclosed ones). We've been there lots before, but rarely had great times. There are nicer parks in town (big open fields with lots of space to run and nicer dogs) but we were a little pressed for time so we thought we'd go to this park (the Landsdowne park for anyone else in Ottawa). Winston is super submissive and sweet, so when there are jerky dogs he often gets picked on and humped. It was happening WAY too much and too aggressively yesterday after we'd only been there for about 10 minutes and I was getting frustrated and Win couldn't have been having any fun, so we decided to leave. The one main Jerk dog kept humping his face and throat growling; I couldn't even get to my puff. His owner half-heartedly called him off from the other side of the park. She finally sauntered over and I told her to get her dog off my dog. She had the nerve to say "He's ONLY growling, not like, really attacking" :x I'm pretty certain that growling is not appropriate AND the dog was face-humping Winston (the worst of the worst, I find) The nerve of the owner! No wonder he dog is a jerk; because she's allowed him to be! So we've sworn this park off (for the second time, actually). We took Win home and we played with his Jolly ball in a big field near our place so he could actually have some fun.

Actually, a lot of the time, dogs will sniff Winston's *ahem* "boy bit" for extra long (I've been around a lot of dogs in my life and it is extra long) before they move on or start to dominate him...what's that about? He gives off a submissive odour? It needs to be trimmed?

Sorry about the long post, but I had to vent! Winston has lots a good dog pals, but if a dog is slightly jerky/ill mannered/too dominant they'll pick on him.

Christina
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Winston needs Mady around. Mady makes it very clear to everyone that Winston belongs to her. So no other dog would mess with Winston! :wink:
Takes a bit longer to explore a sheepdog. No tail, maybe eyes hard to see. He might also be showing fear thru posture. You are right to leave the park. It's the uprights who are more trouble by not monitoring their dogs. Often healthier to stay away from dog parks as much as possible anyway for disease control. From time to time parks here have to close due to disease presence.....parvo especially.
I feel your pain. I had someone tell me yesterday that Laika was only talking. I have no idea why but she started growling at this lady. She was rubbing her head way to hard and her dogs were barking in her house. Who know why but she growled. I said very calmly can you back up. Nothing kept rubbing her head. Can you back up. Nothing I finally said is she growling? The lady said " oh she is just talking" yeah and she is saying leave me be lady! I calmly said let's go. How do people who have dogs not know!!! Would you keep rubbing a Doberman or Staffy hard if they growled???? I don't even want people to touch my dogs anymore. ah I had to vent too. :)
And the sad truth is, if your dog actually nipped the clueless lady, it would be you (and your dog) who are in big trouble, not the lady who provoked your dog. I know I am probably over reacting, but this kind of thing makes me crazy. I've learned to step up a lot quicker to protect my dogs in this sort of situation. And I'm very assertive about it, which is not my usual nature. My dogs deserve to be protected by me in instances like this. Too many people who think they are dog experts will tell you insane things like "she is only talking" which just goes to prove they have no idea what they are talking about. The only thing worse than a clueless person around dogs is a person who is clueless but THINKS they are an EXPERT !!!!

Linda Zimmerman & Hudson, Chloe & Kristy
Ugh, I have to vent on a similar subject. My 9 year old daughter volunteers at our local no-kill shelter, and her favorite dog Leo was being visited by some prospective adoptive parents today. Their little boy was apparently obviously acting uncomfortable around all the dogs, and lashing out at them. Well, Leo nipped the kid, and the mom went ####.

So guess who's in isolation? Yeah. My daughter Abby came home in tears because she's certain that Leo will never get adopted now. :(

Or she could just be trying to get me to adopt him. Sigh.
Thinking back to Paige and Sam playing, Paige would face hump Sam......and side hump, back hump, sit on him, etc and quite often she'd growl. Of course for those two it was play time, with Paige showing dominance but having a great time pouncing on the bigger dog.......and he just rolled around, tongue hanging out having a great time. Suddenly they'd jump up, chase one another and then back to humping.

Whenever MO and Glacier would play tug, there would be the puppy growl we've heard here many times on the vids.

So the lady thought she understood the situation--relating one situation to all doggie interaction. As Linda said, "The only thing worse than a clueless person around dogs is a person who is clueless but THINKS they are an EXPERT !!!!"

amen
We just got home from our CSA pick-up. We took Benson with us, and this one kid - maybe 8 or 9 years old? - kept doing the oddest thing. He'd come up to Benson, then turn around and back up towards her, just kind of crowding into her. He never said anything, never tried to pet, or run, talk. Just - backed up to her.

Hubby says if the kid keeps doing this to strange dogs, it'll bite him in the a** - literally. :P
Baba wrote:
Winston needs Mady around. Mady makes it very clear to everyone that Winston belongs to her. So no other dog would mess with Winston! :wink:


Winston does need Mady around more! It has happened before that sometimes dogs will protect Winston or intercept when a dog goes to be aggressive toward him (a Gereat Dane and a female Pyr have both done it quite a few times).
OH! David and Kim, I've been meaning to tell you; we found a hotel restaurant patio up the street from our apartment that lets Winston on. We went for dinnner last night and a few other times for drinks! You should bring your girls over for a play and then we can go for cocktails!!
Christina
We have had a few issues. Two golden retrievers chased Georgi to beat her up & Sherwood came pounding over & ambushed them. Had a bit a ding dong with the owner but I just pointed out it was his dogs what caused the issue & the other was with a staff again attack Georgi out of nowhere which Sherwood & this other lab came to the rescue & trust me the owner won't walk around the park again without a lead. Have not seen him again. I think its good when another dog protects another one even if Sherwood is 14 & he will get stuck in. He still thinks he is a teen. Dog tried to hump Sherwood & its was the last thing it ever done. He got told off by me even it was it was not his fault & the lady still did not understand why Sherwood beat up her dog.
my George is quite anxious and when people come in the house he gets really nervous. My mum had some guests who would just stand there and talk at him and antagonise him until he pees everywhere. I told them just ignore him, cooing at him doesn't help! they wouldn't listen and I was getting increasingly angry.

A builder came round yesterday however and my mum told him to ignore him and he did; one bark and George was fine.

I wish people also would realise that what is fine for their dog isn't necessarily fine for another dog - their dog making a growling noise might be fine but if my dog is growling and I tell you to back off, common sense surely says back off!!
I have just the opposite problem...my Simon is the offender. He will chase and nip at and worry at another dog until the poor dog and his/her upright are totally stressed. I quit taking him to parks for that reason. I am slowing working with him on just being in sight of another dog and not reacting. Don't know if we'll ever get to the point where he can behave himself in the park, but I won't be one of those owners who won't admit my dog is the offender!
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