Maryland's top court finds pit bulls inherently dangerous
This is just wrong. |
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Life is inherently dangerous, in fact, the game of life is something everyone ultimately loses. Owners should be held liable for their dogs, but these breed bans are just stupid. |
| The problem is would you give a 16 year old a gun. No you would not at all. As you said its not the dog (gun) its the person who controls it. It sad too say but these dogs are unpredictable but this is down to the owner 70 % of the time but they were bred to fight other dogs & animals. So they are ok with most people but other dogs I don't think so |
What about the dogs that bite and ARE NOT pit bulls? It seems that these "bully" breeds are always targeted. Pits I have met have been very sweet. There are also many pits that are therapy dogs. I have been bitten by a couple of shepards. Should they be banned too? Whenever anyone asks me if my dog bites I say yes, they have teeth. So do I!!!  Some of those sweet tail waggers should have been brought to the court proceeding. They far out number the viscious ones. That's my opinion!!!!!  |
| Well it might be diff in USA but the UK most of the owners a muppets. All these dogs are are a symbol no more & no less. They don't give a F**K about the animal. But these muppets could of pick on a OESD or a Lab. But these a fighting dogs & that's why they own them. Same as OESD they look great fluffy but don't thin that they are very hard work. Same sort off issue. Its what these people see & think of these types of dogs. I don't like pit bulls but I would rather have one of these dogs than a hand bag dog. There is a very bad issue there |
| A town near me just banned pit bulls, german shepherds, and rottweilers, or any mix containing any of these breeds. I wanted to ask them "Why don't you just ban all dogs, period." Seriously. Like dogmom said - all dogs bite, they all have teeth. Cats bite too. Hamsters are the worst. I have no words for the stupidity that is breed banning. I don't know what the solution is really - I mean, how do you insure competent and caring ownership of dogs? You can't. That's why we have to have rescues. I just wish there was some punishment for "stupid." |
| "muppets".....I'm not sure I'd be that kind. As soon as I see a guy with a pittie or chow, I have instant.......distrust. When I see pitties in a yard, by themselves, I am nervous. Any dog, but especially these dominant breeds need a LOVING structured home life....then they are loving dogs. In my shelter crawling days, there were days I'd go into the shelters and nearly all the dogs there were total pitties or partials. The macho mystique is way out of control here and now the breed has become very prominent in the mutts. Hate it, hate it. I will not have a pittie or partial......nope Sorry. When I hear of a child being torn to shreds by grandparents' pittie, (as happens at least once a year here) Or a pittie that has escaped a yard, I become prejudice against them. Of course other breeds bite too. Curiously, my friend the super vet tech......has a hatred of the wrinkle dogs.........Shar Peis. Pitties.....she's seen enough nice ones to be OK, but not the Shar Peis....so are they on Maryland's hit list as well? |
Quote: A town near me just banned pit bulls, german shepherds, and rottweilers, or any mix containing any of these breeds. Roz, where?? They should ban all dogs from a town near you that starts with an A. Bed of poorly bred dogs. When you get a bad gene pool in an area and idiots breeding out of that gene pool (I'm talking dogs only here....  ) there will be bad generations. Factor in that macho character, people who have no knowledge of responsibility, care, compassion, training, manners, .....of course you are going to have problems. I've met some horrible chihuahuas ......... |
| Susan, they banned them in Elephant Butte. Went into effect on March 1st. Though now that I just searched, it looks like the city of EB has said they aren't "banned" just that they are requiring registration and other information from the owners of these breeds. Interesting. I read the original ordinance, and it really did come off as "we are saying you can't have them." Hmmmm. And yes, Alamoghetto has some of the worst people, and dogs I have ever encountered. Particularly pitties. It's like some sort of sick hobby over there, breeding and selling them. They mostly end up in the shelters and euthanized over here.  |
Alamoghetto!!!  Wasn't the one I was thinking.......I was thinking Anthony!! |
| Anthony is just as bad. Was it you who told me there was a guy there breeding deaf OES? Yeah. I'd never buy a dog in this state. EVER. |
| Yep, Karen, who does (or did) rescue now has had two of them. The third came from another breeder out of state. I have Jack from the Anthony breeder, tall giraffe of a dog with crappy hips.....really crappy. I had one come thru shelter there or Alamoghetto about 15 years ago who was deaf but taken by a lady in Socorro or TorC before the dog ever got to me. |
SamHeinous wrote: A town near me just banned pit bulls, german shepherds, and rottweilers, or any mix containing any of these breeds. I wanted to ask them "Why don't you just ban all dogs, period." Seriously. Like dogmom said - all dogs bite, they all have teeth. Cats bite too. Hamsters are the worst. I have no words for the stupidity that is breed banning. I don't know what the solution is really - I mean, how do you insure competent and caring ownership of dogs? You can't. That's why we have to have rescues. I just wish there was some punishment for "stupid." When I was searching for a place to live in Syracuse, I looked at an apartment that took all dogs except: Pit bulls, German shepherds, and Rottweilers. (I had a shepherd/doberman cross at the time). So I asked why the landlord would accept Dobermans, but none of these other breeds. The rental agent couldn't come up with any reason at all, other than "that's what they told us." You can't legislate morals - or stupidity. Oh, by the way. The first serious animal bite I ever got? From a gerbil. Right on my nose. Little $&)*(#! wouldn't let go. |
I live in maryland and do not like this one bit.....Yes the breed has a very bad reputation in baltimore city All pitts that come into some shelters are immediately put down. I truly believe the problem is Idiots....idiots own them , idiots breed them, idiots fight them and idiots don't socialize them. That is just the beginning. I have been around dogs since the day I was born My parents had wirehaired fox terriers. Then we went on to other breeds, mutts we found etc. I have done rescue for as long as I can remember my parents used to vet strays and rehome them. My first bite ever was at sheepiepalooza by a sheepdog that an idiot owned Right on the nose . I am sure some of you remember. The only dog I had to put down doing rescue was a male OES. I have only fostered 2 pitties and they were so sweet. People (sometimes) with pitts do not socialize their dogs or as many cases know they are aggressive and don't deal with it and then the dog gets out and bites or mames or kills. I am leary of loose pitts etc but I own and love German shepherds If they get away with this then next my beloved dogs?? I think the bill holds landlords and owners if they know their dog has an history of aggression and does harm to someone you are liable IF YOUR DOG IS AGGRESSIVE TAKE IT TO TRAINING AGAIN IDIOTS!!!! If any dog in my home is aggressive and bites someone well yes I should be responsible...but I need to read the whole bill. Because we had horses and I foster we have an umbrella policy Because people are idiots Thankfully I live in the boonies and have more space than most. Doing all breed rescue has opened my eyes more but we do not take pitts Why because there are so many and they are hard to place So while one is taking up a foster home for years many will die. One day I want to save a pitt or pitt mix because I believe the true breed is misunderstood. Don't get me wrong there are a TON of dangerous pitts out there Our local shelter takes them but one to a run They love people but not dogs. So there ya go I thank maryland should ban stupid people but that will never fly  Heck I may have to move!!! Just thoughts not meant to stir a boiling pot I remember when it was dobermans, or rotties or shepherds When I did evaluations for our therapy dog program the little guys were the first to bite me not the big dogs. I know these dogs are a hugh problem and it does need to be dealt with. Rescues/shelters here are preparing for an onslaught of the breed. I remember when we moved here my insurence agent ask me what breed of dogs I had I had shepherds and labs. My first words were "Don't you start this with me" He was a good egg!!! |
Quote: So there ya go I thank maryland should ban stupid people Not just Maryland....and not just because of dog issues then again I might be put into the ban side  |
| My cousin used to raise apbt. (American Pitbull Terriers) My brother has had several staffies. Some have been dog aggressive, some haven't. My family didn't own them for status or fighting. They were all family dogs, loved being with us and we loved being with them. If they were so unpredictable and crazy I would be dead because a pitbull slept at the end of my bed for 13yrs while I was growing up. They aren't unpredictable or aggressive toward people when bred and raised responsibly. The problem is people that are not responsible owners or breeders(byb), they have these dogs and just breed them for traits that aren't supposed to be in the breed. I completely agree that the issue isn't the dogs, its the idiots. I have never been bitten by a pit or any bully breed. I have been bitten by a lab, a husky nipped me, and numerous little dogs. |
| I don't like them myself but my mate breeds them & they are ok with people but when it comes to other dogs they don't seem too be that happy with them but then again sherwood our lab is fine with 99 % of dogs bar other labs I don't know why |
Jonsey wrote: You can't legislate morals - or stupidity. Ain't that the truth... Never mind that 95% of Americans can't identify breeds very effectively as it is. Look at the petfinder listings and what passes as an OES some time. I always wonder how may "pittbulls" are just lab whatever crosses, now effectively under a death sentence for no other reason than..? And the well-bred and responsibly owned am staffs and staffies? It really is the deed, not the breed. In the bad old days, especially, there were many an OES I was more afraid of than any "pittbull". Knee jerk, overly simplistic, stupid and short sighted. Typical. I quote: "Now the law finds pit bull owners throughout Maryland absolutely accountable for the behavior of their dogs." Gee, shouldn't we all be responsible for the behavior of our dogs, regardless of breed? Don't get me started on our children Kristine |
| THANK YOU!!!! This post made me shed tears and I was truly touched to see so many positive post. Until I had Snoop, while I sympathized with the plight of Pitbulls, I now feel owners pain at the thought of how horrible BSL is and the terrible reprecussions it has on many responsible pet owners of this breed. I've mentioned I can't drive through Ontario to get to Montreal beause BSL exist in Ontario and there is no way around that province. We have no choice but to fly him when I move as the risk is too great that even as a tourist to the province my dog can be seized and destroyed because of the way he looks. I can't even cross the province with Snoop to go to my new home. Kaj's company offered him a choice of Monteal or Toronto but we couldn't choose Toronto because of BSL so basically we had to nix Toronto, Ontario for that reason. BSL has existed there for over 10 years, yet dog bites have increased during that time. The UK also had an increase in dog bites after BSL. So did Holland. Why? Because the same unscrupulous people that use and abuse these dogs just turned to other breeds( Dogos, Akita's ect) and trained them to be vicious. Holland finally repealed their law, Ontario is now in it's second reading (needs 3) to repeal and lift the 10 year ban. Why wouldn't Maryland read the literature from counteries and cities that had those laws and see the stats? Enforce the laws so that owners are held accountable and not blame the dogs. Those rescued from Micheal Vick's house of horrors have shown they could be rehabilitated and many of them became therapy dogs to show the world that they did not choose to be fighting dogs. I love my Pitbull Snoop, as much as I love Merlin and Panda. I couldn't bear to read the post about Maryland as my heart is broken enough when people judge Snoop for his breed. As you guys know I also belong to Hugabull which is a forum much like this one , except it's local in my area. I use Snoop as a goodwill ambassador - often walking with Merlin or Panda alongside. I want people to not only see him with another dog but people glancing into my yard will often see him sitting by the bunnies, chickens or guinea pigs. They are enclosed in their pens but the cats often sit with Snoop and he sleeps with a favorite cat on his chest. Snoop was much more extensively trained than Merlin or Panda - specifically for his breed as I knew he would be judged harsher when we are out and about. I even put a coat on him (looks like a service coat) as members of Hugabull found that even a cute collar or coat gives people the impression the owners are not trying to make their dogs appear tough. A collar with spikes is considered a NO NO if you own a Pitbull or Pitbull type mix as that just reinforces the mindset these are tough dogs. Snoop has his Good Canine Neighbor too but people still make horrible comments to me or yell at me when I'm out walking him. Yet at crosswalks he sits immediately and waits for my command to stand and cross, he will not so much as glance at people or other dogs walking past...sigh and still people yell at me for "owning a vicious dog" or tell me "get off the street". My vets and office staff love him as you can take his temp (you know the usual way of takin a dog's temp) open his mouth to check his teeth, stick your fingers in his ears or check his toes - I did that as a young pup and he's used to people checking him and gives sloppy kisses in return. Not so with Panda but people always assume it must be so with Snoop because of his breed. One of my vets just adopted a Pitbull puppy! The other one is the regular vet for the Police dogs in my area and has just been nominated as President of the vet association. They both can attest to Snoop being of sound and good disposition. On Sundays, many of us from Hugabull go to a large local park and walk the trails together. Many people feel better doing it this way than by themselves for the reason I stated earlier. Sometimes as many as 20 dogs and people have shown up and others with small dogs are also encouraged to come. Joggers and cyclist often are on the trails and there's never been an incident. The reason is almost all of the dogs are with responsible pet owners, almost all of the dogs are GCN certified and the majority of us are just like you folks..regular people who love their dogs. They know it's expecially important to see these dogs in a positive light and one negative publicity is detrimental to all. The folks at the dog park who walk past the line up of 20 Pitbulls probably are a little apprehensive when walking past the group (can you imagine?) but I see them look suprised and probably may view these dogs differently after that experience. We all move to the side to allow people to pass and we've never experienced any negative feedback. They are not all vicious killers of small children and pets. They have regular family folks who love and care for them. We are invited as a group to the annual Gay Pride Parade as Hugabull dogs also represent a group that is harshly viewed with bias simply for being born as a Pitbulls. Again walking amongst crowds of thousands along the parade route the dogs are viewed in a positive light. Anyhow I say THANK YOU to those of you who realize that it is indeed the way they are raised and all dogs chained and unsocialized will react with aggression if let loose. Sadly the people who do that to them have caused the destruction of thousands of this breed because of that. They should be held accountable . Lastly, one story which I'll tell which happened several months ago. I wished I had grabbed the camera. Kaj and I brought home some marrow bones for the dogs and as we always did when we hand out bones, we separate the dogs so there will be no issues. Panda in the backyard, Merlin in the house, Gilligan was in the family room, Snoop in the garage. That way all can eat them at their leisure. Suddenly Kaj had a look of horror on his face, "OMG I think I forgot to close the bunny cage", he tells me. In 15 years of fostering bunnies - we've never forgot to latch the gate! The bunnies live in a giant Mastiff size 10 by 12 dog run during the winter in the garage. Both Kaj and I raced to the garage and while Snoop loves "his bunnies" they are always separated by an enclosure...aka bunnies in the enclosure - Snoop outside of it but they exhange kisses and licks. We expected the worse and apon entering the garage we do indeed see Snoop inside the bunny enclosure! He was laying down with five bunnies on top of him, between his paws, and even one of his back. My boy was licking his little friends. |
| I love the sloppy kisses of an am staff (pitts came about because they are fought in a pit) If a dog has a brindle color they are assumed to be a "pitt" many breeds have brindle.. dutch shepherds ,bull dogs etc . Not enough coffee to think of the other breeds. When I grew up there was an irish family next door he was a longshoreman He had 2 male am staff un altered (this was the 50's) they were all the kids in the block buddies Sat on the cellar doors and jumped to catch watermellon seeds as we spit them across the lawn. They are noted for their gentleness with children. It is not the breed but the IDIOTs and yes we should all be held accountable for our dogs behavior as well as our childrens and balto (some) city folks do well with either!!! Glad I am far away from the city..................... I just wish people would be responsible with their pets and children. We all know neuter spay obedience maybe the same for some of the kids oh boy this may start a lively discussion where is that cup of tea??????? |
| Problem is you never know when they may attack. Just yesterday a Santa Fe man was watering his front yard, his pittie next to him, a calm, loveable pittie never known to be trouble.......and the pittie apparently snapped and turned on his 74 year old owner and mauled him....dead. The man was an advocate of the breed, not just anyone. I'm still keeping a somewhat open mind.......maybe the man had a seizure, fell to the ground and began thrashing and the dog paniced.......I don't know. |
| When I was researching countries where Kaj had been offered a transfer, I liked Barcelona's rules. In Spain and Portugal a Pitbull owner is checked out and under no circumstances can one be owned by those with drug or violent criminal backgrounds. (This should actually apply to all dogs but as most of the criminal element choose Pitbulls and thereby reinforce that these dogs are owned as status symbols of being tough guy dogs) If I entered the country with Snoop he would have been allowed to live there with me but only after being tested for being of sound disposition by a government vet. The only thing I dislike about that is that dogs of other breeds are not put through that same test. Here's one of my fav pics of Merlin and Snoop taken as I was moving from my previous home (Explains the mess in the background)  I hope one day Snoop you will be judged by the content of your character and not how you look. :O)  |
SheepieBoss wrote: Problem is you never know when they may attack. Just yesterday a Santa Fe man was watering his front yard, his pittie next to him, a calm, loveable pittie never known to be trouble.......and the pittie apparently snapped and turned on his 74 year old owner and mauled him....dead. The man was an advocate of the breed, not just anyone. I'm still keeping a somewhat open mind.......maybe the man had a seizure, fell to the ground and began thrashing and the dog paniced.......I don't know. I really hope you are being sarcastic..... My little sister used to have fainting bouts and seizures due to extremely low iron and guess what, shes still alive, our pit didn't maul her. They don't "snap". The one thing I can honestly say about pitbulls is they are so sensitive. Much more so than any OES I have ever met. This honestly reminds me of what they used to say about dobermans, rotties, st bernards, gsd, etc. People say the exact same things with every new "bad, evil breed". If you got to know a bully breed, you wouldn't ever say a bad thing about them. |
| Here's an interesting article that a friend of mine (and a pit owner) just sent me. It's older, but a good read: http://voices.yahoo.com/national-canine ... 13350.html |
| We baby sat my cousin's staffie when she was on her honeymoon. For a whole week. He was sooo sweet. Here is my dog aggressive, hound dog with him. Accepted him right away.  Playing with my wolf hybrid.  And here comes the sheepie.  Everyone after playing in the yard  |
| A picture tells a thousand words and those are priceless! |
Quote: I really hope you are being sarcastic..... I wasn't. If the dog was unstable, would an owner thrashing about cause it to panic? More coming out about the man.....lots of questions. Seems police had been to his home 2 other times regarding pit bull issues.....about once a year and the dog wasn't the same. Different dog each time. Was he trying to rehab the dogs? What was going on? I'm not sure we will ever know. |
| Sometimes they DO snap. Obviously other breeds do too sometimes. I think the problem here is that they have been SO overbred for all the wrong reasons that you get a certain undesireable traits frequently, and it gets into lots of breeding lines. The difference is - a hamster or gerbil gives a small animal bite- a bully breed does significantly more damage. In other words - if the dog is cute, but vicious, breed it! Or so that seems to be the thinking in my area anyway. Shellie |
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