My dog is trying to kill me.

I almost lost my left eye today no thanks to my retarded dog... er... I mean Momoko. I still love her but I wanted to kill her earlier today. When I was finished walking Momo this afternoon - I needed to crate her so I could get my purse out of the other room (since she likes the taste of dry wall).

She goes in like a perfect girl - I'm really proud of her - no more picking her up or pushing her in... she just walks right in now and lays down. Well... I reach over to get her a toy - even if it is only for a few minutes she needs something to look at just in case I'm a bit longer than usual. I turn back around and she is walking right out again. I told her "No girl - go back in and I'll be right back."

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She decided to test me and see if I meant what I said. "If I push mommy over with my paws will she let me stay out?" ... while I was crouching down next to her crate with toys in hand to keep my pleasantly off balance.

She jumps at me and I had to steady myself on her - then she jerks back... sending my FACE into her wire cage... my eyes wide open. My left eye and cheek broke my fall against the corner of the cage - the PAIN! I just sat there for a bit cradling my face... I opened my eye... it was blury (my contact didn't split amazingly enough - and my eye was still inside it's socket). I looked at my dog... I swear... it was all I could do not to kill her. Despite my anger - I put her up gently, pushing her back into the crate - gave her food and water... IN the crate with little snaps for the side. I gave her a treat - said good girl for going back in without pushing me this time... and LEFT. LEFT! LEFT! LEFT! 8O My vision just cleared up (no more fog) when I got home four hours later. It was so important that I just LEAVE the house at that point... I was absolutely horrified at what could have happened.

I think it's pretty amazing what our pets can do to us - even if they are domesticated... they can still hurt us in horrible ways even if they don't mean it. Tigger's mother scratched my eye - so did Halifax - they both though when I blinked my eye in the dark it would be terribly fun to scratch at it.

But Momo... my dog has been the worst so far - she has nearly taken my eye, almost broken my hand, fingers and maybe my neck as she has tried to PUSH me (rearing up btw) down stairs and down a hill. She has also biten my face (but I taught her not to do that finally). I've trained her for the most part NOT do do these unplesant pushy-shovey things around dangerous places or anywhere for that matter... but everytime I'm in a different position doing something else... she tries to see what she can get away with.

Ex: She won't jump on me if I'm standing up - but if I bend down to tie my shoe she sees if she can jump on me then. :roll: I'm consistant - but there is always something new for me to do - such as crouch down next to her crate while she is going in.... *Grrrrrrr*

Obedience training won't come soon enough as far as I'm concerned - I hope they teach us some good stuff in the big puppy classes... such as survival! 8O

Is anyone else's dog homicidal?

P.S. Sorry for how bad and angry I sound... it's just... it was my eye! All the other things she has done so far I have delt with calmly... even when she pushed me down the hill I just taught her the right way of doing things... even my FACE wasn't this bad. This though... I'm still shook up about it. She is a good dog and learns so fast... but it seems everytime she takes a step backward it involves trying to break one of my limbs or causing permanent damage. 8O
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Keep commands simple with 1 or 2 words.

I think you are confusing her. You say you are training her one way, yet when she misbehaved, you feed her, watered her, AND gave her a treat. You say you gave her the treat for going it without pushing you, but you just said "you" pushed her in. Why the treat if she didn't earn it?

If she has done this so many times, you should prepare yourself for the unexpected. I suspect you may play rough with her???

To be domesticated, they first have to be trained. A child left without training can be considered undomesticated (wild & unruly)

"for the most part" is the key sentence.... I had 5 and there's no way I would walk down the stairs to the basement with them. They were taught to go down first, and wait. She can't understand the difference between dangerous and non-dangerous places. Be consistant.

Obedience training should start the day you get the puppy. As far as survival: Knowing how your dog is, don't put yourself in those situations until "you" have control of the situation.

Every time she "pushes", it's "you" that's taking the step backwards. You should look at the ways she has to communitcate with you. When you teach a dog to 'shake', you then have to follow that with teaching it not to 'paw' at you. It only knows, "Hey, she wants me to flop my big hairy foot on her." Separate play time from training time, but enforce the "no rough play" at all times. Teach her to sit, and then stoop next to her. Reward her only after she stays in the sit position and allows you to stoop. After you get up, let her up, then give the treat.

If all else fails, pay a visit to a sporting goods store, purchase a catchers outfit and football padding. (But, leave the bat in the store) :wink: Good luck and PLEASE be careful.
Padded body suit, safety goggles, and a sense of humor?
Seriously though, I'm glad you still have an eye :D ..... puppyhood.... :roll:
Clyde has been trying to kill me for quite some time. Actually, I believe he's more interested in maiming and disfiguring us. He's just gotten so big, he has no idea how rough he is sometimes. When he swats with a paw, it's like getting hit by a little bear! James and I have huge scratches-- his chest is just starting heal from a recent attack and I have a line that goes across my lower back when Clyde also thought it would be funny to knock me over while I was bending down.

Another way he's been working on disfiguring us is by giving us kisses-- with teeth. When he's really excited and goes to give kisses, he snaps at the same time and James and I both got knicked a few times. Now we're more careful.

They're vicious animals, these sheepdogs. I only hope that someone stops them before it's too late! ;)
Integra, It's good that you are Okay. Accidents can happen and even tough you know she did not meant to harm you, it's hard not to be upset. More training may be required, and don't forget that it's OK to get mad if she did something she was not supposed to do, as long as you don't abuse her.

I'm afraid social services show up one day at home, they'll think I beat up Danita :lol: We always have a bruise somewhere because of their cheerful greetings! Sofa started to use us as her brakes when she's out in the park, slamming into us when she runs towards us... ouch!!!

Maybe the funniest one is when I hit a tree branch when I was playing with them in the park. I'm teaching Sofa to use a kiddie slide that's next to a tree. I was so exited when she started following my commands, I got up and BAM!! I hit a low branch head on... I swear I could see stars.
I understand how hard it can be at times!! I have to be very careful not to let Max get too riled up because he is getting so much stronger every day. I still keep a leash on him at all times, because with 3 kids and 2 cats in the house he can go from 0 to 60 in a matter of seconds :lol: He's 5 months now and I still have to keep him in my sight at all times, that way I can give him positive reinforcement most of the time, and when he does do something wrong I see it and correct it immediately. As everyone has said here, consistency is so important!! I guess with a sheepie around, it's probably not a great idea to spend time on the floor. It hurts when one is toppled by a huge, giant pawed, clumsy oaf!! I have to laugh because every day is a new adventure. Good luck with puppy classes Integra!!
mouthypf wrote:
I think you are confusing her. You say you are training her one way, yet when she misbehaved, you feed her, watered her, AND gave her a treat. You say you gave her the treat for going it without pushing you, but you just said "you" pushed her in. Why the treat if she didn't earn it?


Sorry - I guided her to the area and she went back in - I usually say I push her to that area - I normally just walk around her until she gets the drift where I want her to go (I herd her :lol: ). I don't think she needed to earn the food - considering this was one of her meals and it was hot and she needed water. She would have been let out after I got back from getting my purse to drink and eat after a very long walk. There is that pesky thirsty and needing water and all thing.

She gets a treat for being in her cage (not because she goes in without me pushing). I just said I was proud of her because I haven't HAD to do it in a while. Since it can't be too fun to be in there - I am rewarding her FOR going in and being quiet so it is a pleasant experience. I want her to think that her cage is a place for quiet and relaxation - not a punishment.

Do you think I should have punished her by not giving her anything to eat for the day and maybe no water as well? I did leave the house for hours after all.

The only reason she wasn't punished (like a spanking or something of that nature) - is because I was unnable to do it when she needed me too. My eye was just smashed against metal after all and there is no way in heck I was thinking of her at the time. By the time I actually looked at her five minutes had to have gone by (if not much longer) and she had moved. Punishing your pet after the fact really doesn't help. I also didn't trust myself to punish her after that. 8O

mouthypf wrote:
If she has done this so many times, you should prepare yourself for the unexpected. I suspect you may play rough with her???


God no! :evil: Why would you think that?! There is no way in heck I am going to play rough with a dog that's probably going to match my weight! 8O I tend to look at the long term and not the here and now. If I did then I would have one horrible dog when she gets bigger. :lol:

She doesn't do it for play :? - but she usually does do it to try and push me around. She wants to be the alpha and I'm not letting her. It's hard to explain the way she acts unless you have a pet that is trying to always one-up you and see what she can get away with. Since you had five I'm sure at least one of them was an alpha - when they are pups they like to test their limits... over... and over and over... :roll:

mouthypf wrote:
To be domesticated, they first have to be trained. A child left without training can be considered undomesticated (wild & unruly)


Actually, to be domesticated they need to be bred in captivity for generations for certain temperments and to live with humans. What you are talking about is taiming a wild animal or being feral. If an animal is wild bred you have to taim it - like a large parrot - they have yet to be domesticated as they still show wild tendencies even if they are just a few generations into breeding and living with humans. If a dog from a domesticated line runs away and has puppies and those puppies have no human contact - they are considered feral. They can be taimed again and be considered domestic. They don't have to be able to "roll over" or "play dead" to be considered domestic either. I'm sure domestication just covers being used to humans and being able to tolerate them. :lol:

mouthypf wrote:
"for the most part" is the key sentence.... I had 5 and there's no way I would walk down the stairs to the basement with them. They were taught to go down first, and wait. She can't understand the difference between dangerous and non-dangerous places. Be consistant.


I am consistant - I don't let her jump on me. However, there is no way I can let her off the lead just yet to run to the door and down the stairs. She is still a baby and if I don't guide her to the door pretty fast she will chase down one of the cats and take a pee on the rug or on a couch. :roll: There are stairs coming down from our house - so there is no avoiding them at this point unfortunatly. I'm going to have to remember to keep this in mind when moving into a house.

mouthypf wrote:
Obedience training should start the day you get the puppy. As far as survival: Knowing how your dog is, don't put yourself in those situations until "you" have control of the situation.

Every time she "pushes", it's "you" that's taking the step backwards. You should look at the ways she has to communitcate with you. When you teach a dog to 'shake', you then have to follow that with teaching it not to 'paw' at you. It only knows, "Hey, she wants me to flop my big hairy foot on her." Separate play time from training time, but enforce the "no rough play" at all times. Teach her to sit, and then stoop next to her. Reward her only after she stays in the sit position and allows you to stoop. After you get up, let her up, then give the treat.


I know you are trying to be helpful and all - but I know how to train my dog. :? I don't allow her to do all these things and I know how to give her rewards for doing things I like her to do. She knows how to sit. I've taught her how to lay down and all that crud. =/ I've also taught her NOT to bite my face - or hands or even try to nip at me while herding me around. Of course... I don't even allow her to do that. If she tries to herd me I either walk over her, step on her (on accident), or push her out of the way - either way I don't give her any attention for doing it... even if I do step on her. If she is walking fine afterwords I assume she lived. :lol:

The only reason I brought all that stuff up was to give examples of what she has done so far - not that she is doing it all the time or I'm having a problem with it.

It's just when she does this sudden push-me-down or paw thing that she does randomly it takes me off guard if she hasn't done it in a while or if I am doing something new. Who knew that crouching down would make her paw me? She has never tries to challenge me in the house because. I do not reward her for this behavior either... unless you consider knocking her down, kneeing her and pushing he backward a reward. :lol:

I will definitly NOT be stooping next to her ever again... I think almost losing my eye kinda did the trick for me. :twisted:
saulmr wrote:
and don't forget that it's OK to get mad if she did something she was not supposed to do, as long as you don't abuse her.


I was so mad at her! :lol: I can say that now laughing - but yesterday and this morning I was having such a hard time just looking at her. It's just my eyes are so personal and I expected that if I got a parrot later on like my fiance wants - that I might lose an eye to one of those since they are wild - but not my dog. 8O It just threw me way off balance emotionally to have my dog do that - even if it was an accident. 8O

Up until this moring I was still in a bit of shock about it - I had to talk to Brad about it just to get everything out of my system.

I was really... really proud of myself for just putting her back in her cage and leaving. I was very angry at her and I knew I couldn't trust myself to even spank her at that point. I thought if I did I might sent her flying... which was what scared the heck out of me also.

I was surprised at what she did - but also at how I felt afterwards. I guess it's like if some random person or even a family member shoved you - but accidentally into the counter because they didn't want to do something - and you almost lost your eye because of it. It's like you are so angry that you just want to beat them to death for it - but you love them and don't want to hurt them at the same time - because you know it was just an accident. When I left the house I spent most of my time feeling guilty about feeling that way after she did it. I could barely look at her when I got back home.

I finally got ahold of my senses after talking to Brad though - I felt aweful about being mad at her like that... it was just... it was my EYE... why couldn't it have been my leg or something? I would have been able to deal with that pretty quickly... but my EYES. Just the thought of not being able to see out of one of my eyes...

P.S. You are so right about being mad and not abusing them though - it makes it easier because I know I can be mad without it being horrible. Even if I thought about giving her a big smack accross the head did make me feel bad. :lol:
ButtersStotch wrote:
Clyde has been trying to kill me for quite some time. Actually, I believe he's more interested in maiming and disfiguring us. He's just gotten so big, he has no idea how rough he is sometimes. When he swats with a paw, it's like getting hit by a little bear! James and I have huge scratches-- his chest is just starting heal from a recent attack and I have a line that goes across my lower back when Clyde also thought it would be funny to knock me over while I was bending down.


Isn't that just the way of it?! :lol: My dad sometimes doesn't quite knock her down fast enough and has scratched his arms. He has paper thin skin and they bled. I told him I would clip her nails down - only to find I could just BARELY clip them. :lol: I've never had problems with her scratching me though as I am absolutely and completely 100% going to knock her butt right down if she jumps on me... I think she knows it too.

I think she notices when I am juggling things in my arms - then she tries to take advantage of it... or if I and kneeling or bending. It's like - "OH! NEW POSITION! ATTACK!" *leap!* Then my either my hand or knee comes out and she is on the ground - or if she was particularly excited then on her back.

I think the pet name for OES shouldn't be "sheepie" it should be "sadist"
You showed a great deal of control by not spanking her, knowing you may overdo yourself by being so angry at her was the best thing to do and shows how much you care for her. It was an accident that could have had larger consequences, so you have a right to be upset because of what could have happened.

I had a simmilar experience with Lennon when he was a pup and I was teaching him that we can touch his plate. He was very hungry because he had been sick, and I made the mistake of touching his plate. He bit me and left me a nice scar on my left hand that keeps on reminding me how powerful he can be (And he was only 3 months old). I corrected him immediatly, but had to excercise a lot of control so I would not hurt him. I was upset at him for 3 days after that, I did not want to get close to him... Poor Lennon. I guess he understood he wasn't supposed to bite me like that.

I'm glad you see this incident as just something that happened and that there are lessons to be learned. Keep up the good work, I'm sure that you'll get Momo to be nicer and stop pushing in no time, like I mentioned before, I don't think a good deal of discipline is bad, as long as it's not abusive and totally justifed (As you can see, I was spanked as a kid, and I think it's a great educational aid when it's really needed :lol: :lol: )
saulmr wrote:
like I mentioned before, I don't think a good deal of discipline is bad, as long as it's not abusive and totally justifed (As you can see, I was spanked as a kid, and I think it's a great educational aid when it's really needed :lol: :lol: )


I was spanked as well and I think it helped me straiten up quite a bit as well. :lol: My mother always told me that she lived by this - "If you are ever angry - do not spank your children then. Spank them to get their attention and to tell them that they were wrong - not because you are mad and want to hurt them." This was the first time something like this happened - I was so happy I was able to put her in and listen to what my mother instilled in me... I was really freaked out about it but glad I could do that.

She is laying next to me with her stuffed animals while I am typing. :lol: I just had to look at her this morning and I forgave her... she is just so cute! :P

P.S. She is getting really big! :D I need to take more shots of her and get them developed. Her gray is so noticable now too! 8O My brother was like: What's wrong with her fur!? Her dark area looks like marble. :lol:
I can definitely relate to the getting angry part but I've found that Clyde has turned me into a much more patient person. Now I know I can't just fly off the handle and freak out at him because it's not going to help. For example, yesterday I was home sick and dozed off in bed, pushing my cell phone and remote control on the floor. Let's just say I saved the remote but the phone's seen better days. It still works but it looks like I found it in the garbage or something. Bottom line, it was my fault. He's still a puppy and thinks that stuff on the floor like that can be played with. I was mad at him but what can I really do? I firmly told him no and replaced it with one his bones. It's frustrating but it's all part of the training process.
ButtersStotch wrote:
I can definitely relate to the getting angry part but I've found that Clyde has turned me into a much more patient person. Now I know I can't just fly off the handle and freak out at him because it's not going to help. For example, yesterday I was home sick and dozed off in bed, pushing my cell phone and remote control on the floor. Let's just say I saved the remote but the phone's seen better days. It still works but it looks like I found it in the garbage or something. Bottom line, it was my fault. He's still a puppy and thinks that stuff on the floor like that can be played with. I was mad at him but what can I really do? I firmly told him no and replaced it with one his bones. It's frustrating but it's all part of the training process.


I had to do the same thing with my cats. Halifax ate my cell phone antene (sp?) thing and Kiley ate my watch band. 8O I've learned from those two and now I watch my dog like a HAWK. :lol: I'm sure if I hadn't paid attention I wouldn't have a single pair of underwear, a left wall or a purse. :lol:

I also think I've learned a lot of patience and self control when it comes to my pets... stop... breath... don't get mad until you leave the room. :lol:

I just know I'm going to come home to a scene a little like this one day:

Halifax: Why is mama turning purple?
Kiley: I don't know - but this wallet sure is yummy!
Momoko: Pass me another one of those twenties. *nom!* *nom!*
Integra Hellsing wrote:
Do you think I should have punished her by not giving her anything to eat for the day and maybe no water as well?



I'm sorry, but you've misunderstood the point I was making. What I meant was that you had your horrible experience, then you immediately place her in the crate, feed and water her and give her a treat. She can see this as "WOW, look at the excitement I just caused and the reward I got". By placing her in the crate immediately, without the food, water and treat she has time to see "somethings wrong with this picture, maybe I shouldn't have done that".


And, I agree the punishment follows the crime, not after they forget what they did. Your right to walk away until your anger is under control, but when you walk away, the dog sees itself as the alpha. So we have to control our anger and get a grip on the situation. In your case, I woudv'e yelled my dogs name and then told it get in the pen. Then, I'd left the room, come back a little later, started over again and ending it on a happy note, and then the treats. (In your case, food and water as well.) I never fed mine in the crate, so I'm sorry you thought I meant no food or water. I would never use their food and water as a treat or a punishment.


mouthypf wrote:
If she has done this so many times, you should prepare yourself for the unexpected. I suspect you may play rough with her??


Sorry, didn't mean to offend you. Some people do start out playing a little rough with pups and regret it later when they have an "alpha" dog to deal with. By so many times, I didn't necessarily mean the same deed.


Integra Hellsing wrote:
Since you had five I'm sure at least one of them was an alpha - when they are pups they like to test their limits... over... and over and over... :roll:


I've had and raised sheepdogs for about 25 - 30 years. As soon as my litters were old enough they started spending time on their backs, as I taught them to be submissive. I would continue with my older dogs as well. Having them lay, and teaching them to roll over, was a playful re-enforcement as well. I've had three that would stay while on their backs, and "ride the bicycle" on command.

I never let them think they won, even if they did. If they were being bull headed, I'd go to other commands and make them do them, then finally a treat. But, never stopped on the command they were disobeying. To them, I always won. They didn't always like it and you could see it in their faces.

mouthypf wrote:
To be domesticated, they first have to be trained. A child left without training can be considered undomesticated (wild & unruly)

Integra Hellsing wrote:
Actually, to be domesticated they need to be bred in captivity for generations for certain temperments and to live with humans.


Exactly, that's what I meant by a child left without training can be considered undomesticated (wild and unruly). Who's doing the training? Who are they living with? Your correct: humans. You can take a wild dog and tame him, but he will always be a dog. You can take a child and not train him, and he may act as an animal, but will always be human. It's all in the training and the behavior following the training. (Only food for thought - not judging anyone's training abilities- I'm still learning!!!!!

Intrega Hellsing wrote:
If an animal is wild bred you have to taim it - like a large parrot - they have yet to be domesticated as they still show wild tendencies even if they are just a few generations into breeding and living with humans.


That is animal instincts. It was bred into them for survival. They know they're a bird, or a dog, we're the ones that sometimes forget that. But, they know what they are, it can never be completely bred out of them. Training, is taming. Left untrained, we all have the potential to be wild. Parrots - it's raising a 2 - 4 year old child for up to 70 years. Tamed, trained or not, they have a mind of their own.

mouthypf wrote:
"for the most part" is the key sentence.... I had 5 and there's no way I would walk down the stairs to the basement with them. They were taught to go down first, and wait. She can't understand the difference between dangerous and non-dangerous places.


This was in referrance to mine, I didn't know you had stairs. Sorry. But, just meant that I know how they 'charged' down the steps and I knew that if I went with them I'd get knocked down, so I stayed out of the way, made each of them go before me to prevent an injury.

mouthypf wrote:
Obedience training should start the day you get the puppy. As far as survival: Knowing how your dog is, don't put yourself in those situations until "you" have control of the situation.


I was not telling you how to train. Only advising that if you know the tendencies she has, protect yourself first. (Like not going down the stairs, as I did. But, you have to judge your situation).

Integra Hellsing wrote:
I will definitly NOT be stooping next to her ever again... I think almost losing my eye kinda did the trick for me. :twisted:


But, don't forget, stooping is not the only way this can happen. Watch out for her possibly jumping up on you when she's taller and accidently hitting your face. That's what I mean by: always expect the unexpected.

I'm sorry I upset you. I could sense a little anger in your post. But, you have to keep in mind that theres only so much you can put in a post, and that you sometimes have to read between the lines to get the full meaning or picture someone is trying to present.

Stay safe and be happy.
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But, you have to keep in mind that theres only so much you can put in a post, and that you sometimes have to read between the lines to get the full meaning or picture someone is trying to present


Wise words, for all.

Shellie
Oh Integra honey, if you think your puppy is trying to kill you, wait til you have KIDS!!!!!! They REALLY KILL YOU!!!!


Saulmr: I LOVE YOUR AVATAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:lol: Had to laugh, Tasker's mom, I'm slowly being killed by my kids, especially my oldest girl who is almost 14!! Not to mention the sibling rivalry and constant squabbling they go through. I'm just glad school is almost out, I think they just need some much needed rest!! If my dog is a brat at least he gets over it a lot quicker than kids!!
personss wrote:
:lol: Had to laugh, Tasker's mom, I'm slowly being killed by my kids, especially my oldest girl who is almost 14!! Not to mention the sibling rivalry and constant squabbling they go through. I'm just glad school is almost out, I think they just need some much needed rest!! If my dog is a brat at least he gets over it a lot quicker than kids!!


Yep yep *nods in agreement*
My oldest is my 14 yr old daughter, she's always been great, it's my two youngest that have me "at the end of my rope" They're 12 and almost 10.
Dogs are WAAAAYYY easier than kids! LOL
Well, sorry to be the one to break it too you but it doesn't get any better with age. My 20 year old daughter eloped this past weekend with a boy she has known for a month. They got married on an Indian Reservation in Albaqurquie (sp?) by a Budhist priest............ (I'm not sure if it's legal 8O )
Maybe this will help :D :x

http://theonion.com/nib/index.php?issue=4121&nib=3
With the kids or the dogs?
Taskers mom....dogs you silly :D Kids,..well I dont know...we just got my stepdaughter graduated. from h.s. ...if you only knew the hell of her high school years(for us)...I was hoping it would only get better, but with your story....sigh...keep your fingers crossed and hope for the best. Good news is at least tasker is not marriage minded...try to keep your spirits up...buddist, christian or otherwise :D :D
Darcy, how well I can imagine!!!! But not to worry, my daughter went through her own difficult high school years and despite her impulsivness she is a delightful young women. She just marches to her own drummer................................ 8O
Tasker's Mom wrote:
Oh Integra honey, if you think your puppy is trying to kill you, wait til you have KIDS!!!!!! They REALLY KILL YOU!!!!


Saulmr: I LOVE YOUR AVATAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


haha...my 2 & 3 yr old are already ganging up on me! I'm kind of afraid to be alone with them when hubby goes to Guam! lol It's amazing how two little people can be so mischevious!
JakeandBrandonsmom: NAHHHHHHH, don't worry they are still at the easy age (HAHAHAHAHAH). Just pray that your husband doesn't go to Guam when they are teenagers!!!! Seriously though I'm sure it'll be tough having two young children and your husband gone :( Enjoy the mischief!
Wait until they turn 25 and think they can think for themselves :lol:
I'm not having kids. :D Yay!

I'm hoping that I can get "the operation" :wink: done - but I was told I might not be able to if I was too young... :roll: Something about me maybe wanting to have children later or something. I think if later on... that I am so dead set on having a kid... that I'll just adopt... but... kids... ewww.

I don't think I would be a good mother... would like my kids or other wise. :lol:

I went through a "I would like to have a baby" phase for a while... then I looked at all the details... looked at the sacrifices... and thought to myself: Not me. People assure me that I will once again have the urge to have one - but I don't really think so. I think I'd rather have a bunch of pets for the rest of my life if I have a "void" that needs filling. That's just me though. :P

I think... for my baby-substitute - I will get a conure... if I ever miss the spit-up of an infant - she can just poop on my shoulder and I won't miss a thing. :lol:
Integra Hellsing wrote:
I think if later on... that I am so dead set on having a kid... that I'll just adopt... but... kids... ewww.


Now that I think about it - I would probably like to adopt a lot more... maybe even and older child or siblings that usually get passed up in favor of little babies.

Ooooh! Then I wouldn't have to change diapers or wake up at all hours for months on end! Then I could just spoil her and/or him to death. Adoption is just sounding better and better... it's like you have a child - without all that pesky giving birth stuff. :D

*btw* I'm a bit more serious about this than I sound - I've just ate one too many truffles and I am sooooo hyper right now.

Plus - there is hope that I will be a little more sane by the time I'm 30 - hopefully anyway.
Integra Hellsing wrote:

Adoption is just sounding better and better... it's like you have a child - without all that pesky giving birth stuff. :D



Integra, the "pesky giving birth stuff" is the easiest part of parenting. :wink:
mouthypf wrote:



Integra, the "pesky giving birth stuff" is the easiest part of parenting. :wink:


LOL - isn't that the truth? Although I had c-sections with all of mine, I did the labor thing once (and found out my pelvic bones are too small to ever deliver a baby). It's getting harder and harder as they get older. I think it's because they start playing with your emotions and make you second guess everything you do! LOL

Oh, and the newborn stage is exhausting, but there's nothing like the newborn baby smell, rocking him/her at night, cuddling with them (which stops way too early), seeing those first smiles, those first giggles. Ahh - I miss the baby stage! :)
Aarrrggg!!!!! 8O

Stop Scaring me!!!!! Just when I had convinced myself about having kids!!!

:lol: :lol:
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