Coach Joe Paterno is history
As a Pennsylvania resident who knows tons of people who went to Penn State, this whole scenario just sickens me. The abuse has been going on since 2002???? Appalling. And to think that JoePa (as he's "affectionately" known) actually knew about it and didn't do anything to stop it immediately is just morally reprehensible. His statement, "In hindsight, I should have done more" is the biggest understatement I've EVER heard. I read a column online by an alumnus that said (words to the effect of) what would JoePa have done if it was one of his 14 grandchildren that was being abused? Bingo! In MY hindsight, I am now so very thankful that neither one of my kids wanted to go to Penn State, although I admit we did sort of push them in that direction. They both said that it was just too big a school, that they wanted to go to a school where they wouldn't get lost in the crowds. It appears I have some pretty smart kids, although none of us knew it at the time. Can Penn State regain it's reputation? Can the football program finish out the year successfully with a new coach and the scandal hanging over their heads? Can JoePa evade being charged with anything? Only time will tell. What a horrible, horrible time in the Keystone state. I will keep the victims and their families in my thoughts and prayers. This saga is far from over . . . |
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Quote: As a Pennsylvania resident who knows tons of people who went to Penn State, this whole scenario just sickens me. The abuse has been going on since 2002???? Appalling. And to think that JoePa (as he's "affectionately" known) actually knew about it and didn't do anything to stop it immediately is just morally reprehensible. His statement, "In hindsight, I should have done more" is the biggest understatement I've EVER heard. my exact thoughts as well. i get sick just seeing Sandusky's picture. |
| My uncle went to Penn State and played under Paterno. If you think this makes a difference to me in how I feel, it doesn't/ Paterno claims he went to his boss, the AD or the pres, I can't remember which I heard and left it there in 2002. I guess he felt that was enough. I was listening toe an AM sports show lat night and there was a guy saying that Paterno was nothing but a puppet the last couple years anyway. He was saying that the assistant coaches were making all the calls so loosing Paterno mis-season won't really matter in the end. At 85,what can they do to him... Vance |
| Well, what they can do is fire him which they did last night and forever ruin his legacy. Let's be clear, to know that his assistant coach and protege Sandusky was a monstrous pedophile all those years and not report it to police is an egregious abdication of his responsibility as an educator, coach and human being. I read the Grand Jury indictment and the details are sickening! You can find it on the Smoking Gun website. If you saw or heard from a credible source that a child was being raped would you not call the police? Joe told his AD and washed his hands of it. For someone whose reputation and character were supposedly of the highest standard, this is totally unacceptable. I feel strongly about this because my son is a DivisionI Big Ten athlete and we dealt with many coaches and athletic directors when he was being recruited. Trust and integrity are what matters. Penn State will be forever sullied by this tragedy. I hope all the victims will finally get justice and begin their healing. |
| Like others, this whole thing sickens me. We have fought our own battles with morel and ethics with the Ohio State coaching staff, and everytime it happens, you wonder at what price it will stop. There is an obligation to do what is right-- to look beyond the "win". How can anyone call their selves a "coach" and turn a blind eye to such behavior. |
Hell is not punishment enough for pedophiles, especially Jerry Sandusky. To think he founded The Second Mile, an outreach organization to help kids whose lives were already in turmoil, and "recruited" his victims from there, it just makes my blood boil.  He is an evil, evil, twisted man.And to show you how much football means to Penn State, there were riots last night after the announcement was made, with students chanting "We want Joe back" and overturning a news van. Just how stupid are some people? |
Drezzie's Mom wrote: ...And to show you how much football means to Penn State, there were riots last night after the announcement was made, with students chanting "We want Joe back" and overturning a news van. Just how stupid are some people? Sadly, these are our future leaders, politicians teachers and so on... Aren't sports figures above the law anyway? Especially the pros... Vance |
Vance wrote: Drezzie's Mom wrote: ...And to show you how much football means to Penn State, there were riots last night after the announcement was made, with students chanting "We want Joe back" and overturning a news van. Just how stupid are some people? Sadly, these are our future leaders, politicians teachers and so on... Aren't sports figures above the law anyway? Especially the pros... Vance Ain't THAT the sad, sad truth? My FB friends from PA are exploding FB right now. And honestly, I can't believe how some can say JoePa really didn't do anything wrong. Legally, no. But morally? Absolutely! Yes, he did tell the AD and a VP of the school, but not until the next day in 2002. And when nothing was done about it, why didn't he follow up and take it a step farther? THAT's what's sticking with me. You just don't turn a blind eye to the abuse of a child. No matter who you are, no matter what your job is, no matter the consequences to you. PERIOD. |
| I wonder how much of this abuse is actually out there. Sports are the be all and end all from high school or maybe even middle school on. Maybe if academics were as important some of these things wouldn't happen, sports are great but not to the exclusion of everything else. |
| Instead of rioting against the abusers and the system that protected them, these idiots are protesting the firing of the coach. Where are their brains? I really don't think this is an isolated case, I suspect the abuse runs through sports......highschool and college. |
Vance wrote: My uncle went to Penn State and played under Paterno. If you think this makes a difference to me in how I feel, it doesn't/ Paterno claims he went to his boss, the AD or the pres, I can't remember which I heard and left it there in 2002. I guess he felt that was enough. Vance He did go up the chain of command in an attempt to get attn on the matter, but there is NOTHING in me and I would think any decent human being that wouldn't follow up and make sure the guy went to jail ................or was beat down until he stopped breathing. First off, the person who let Paterno know ...it baffles me that he would wait 24 hrs before letting someone know. Mr. J made it clear that he would have beat this guy down when he found him in the shower touching boys. Even if you didn't ...how you can sleep at night knowing these poor boys went through God knows what and there may be other boys in danger (and THERE WERE since these weren't the only boys) makes me sick. Then for it to be acceptable to push this under the rug because you did the bare minimum (tell the person above you) is UNFATHOMABLE to me when kids are involved ...and it being something that is this big. Since Paterno "IS" Penn State... he deserved to be canned. I don't think he's a bad guy overall, but he couldn't stay another day due to the steps he didn't take. |
| I agree with Mr. J, anyone in their right mind would have done their best to get that poor boy away from the situation. As for the rioting because Paterno has been fired along with some others, it's the blame the victim mentality. |
| unfortunately, this is uglier than you know so far.  |
| The grad student who witnessed "the event" did not try to stop the abuse but did tell JoePa immediately. It was JoePa who waited the 24 hours to tell his higher-ups. Guest - please sign in and identify yourself and explain what you meant. I'm sure it's uglier than a lot of us yet know. All I know is - if anyone touched either of my kids, I'D be the one in prison. |
| [quote="Joahaeyo"] Mr. J made it clear that he would have beat this guy down when he found him in the shower touching boys. Even if you didn't ...how you can sleep at night knowing these poor boys went through God knows what and there may be other boys in danger (and THERE WERE since these weren't the only boys) makes me sick. Mike McQueary did not find Sandusky in the shower "touching" the 10 year old boy. He found him sodomizing the poor boy! They both saw him looking at them and he walked away! Imagine how that poor little boy felt? Here was an adult who could gave saved him and he just walked away!! Unimaginable horror! Mike McQueary has no business being an assistant coach for Penn State. As of now is still not fired and expected to coach on Saturday. Any of us here would not just walk away seeing a little defenseless child being raped by a monster! It's sickening! I respect Joe Pa but everything he has accomplished is wiped out by his choice in putting Penn State over these poor little victims. |
| Read the Grand Jury Report firsthand and you will conclude how everyone knew what was going on and decided to cover it up: http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploaded ... ntment.pdf |
| Thanks for posting the link to the Grand Jury findings. I was gonna do that. I read it through and I don't think the info solely in that report justify firing Paterno, but there may be many more facts of which the board is aware. That said, there are many people in this outrage that deserve to be criminally prosecuted for not reporting this outrageous disgusting behavior. It just boggles the mind how this SOB skated for so many years continuing to inflict himself and preying upon those poor disadvantaged children because he is a public figure. Disgusting. Make me wanna join up with the Occupy movement to protest privilege over the law like this. |
Quote: It just boggles the mind how this SOB skated for so many years continuing to inflict himself and preying upon those poor disadvantaged children because he is a public figure. Because people like Joe Paterno protected him by not calling the police, by not turning him in earlier, by not being willing to risk the reputation of the football (!) program or the university (!) and instead, were willing to put at risk any kid who came into contact with Sandusky. Paterno deserved to lose his position because he wasn't willing to address a very ugly situation. So did the president of the U. And probably the former grad student/now asst. coach who called his father instead of the police. I realize that Paterno is in his 80's and so he grew up in an era where child molestation and rape occurred, but was never, ever, ever openly discussed. My mother in law --also in her 80's--was repeatedly molested by a family member. So was her younger sister. They told their MOTHER who told them that it was a lie and to never say such disgusting things again. Their MOTHER. Because it simply wasn't discussed; people pretended it didn't happen. You bucked up; you quit acting like a child over something so minor, so ridiculous. You never, ever, ever talked about it. BTW, my mother in law still idolizes her mother, the woman who accused her of lying, who told her not to say such disgusting things when she tried to tell the one person she should have trusted what was happening. When I was in 4th or 5th grade, there was a new girl in our class who became my friend. I am deeply, deeply ashamed to say that I was not a good friend to her. When she described to me things that happened when her aunt and uncle took care of her, I could not believe it: she had to be making things up. Because it was inconceivable to me that such things happened ever, to anybody. She moved away, half way through the school year. I have a hard time living with the fact that she trusted me and I didn't believe her because I could not imagine such acts taking place. There is no doubt in my mind that she was telling me the truth. But it was an evil too great for me to imagine. So, I get the denial, the inability to comprehend such evil acts, especially from someone you know and feel you can respect. I don't excuse myself because I was a child when I refused to believe my friend. I will carry that shame to my grave. Paterno cannot be excused either. He had far more evidence and frankly, more world experience than I did at 9 or 10 years of age. He should have done more. He should have called the police and insisted on an investigation. He should have insisted the grad student come forward, talk to the police. He should have done his best to protect children. We all should. |
| There are a lot of people who dropped the ball. All holy football, all holy winning streak, all holy school reputation mean more than lives of innocent children. Even the tall red head asst coach who as a grad student saw.....and still sold his soul to all holy Penn State/Paterno/Sandusky...or whatever his name is. Seriously, could you work with someone you saw sodomize a young child? I pray I couldn't. |
SheepieBoss wrote: There are a lot of people who dropped the ball. All holy football, all holy winning streak, all holy school reputation mean more than lives of innocent children. Even the tall red head asst coach who as a grad student saw.....and still sold his soul to all holy Penn State/Paterno/Sandusky...or whatever his name is. Seriously, could you work with someone you saw sodomize a young child? I pray I couldn't. Totally agree, our priorities are really screwed up. |
| The Grad student was in his mid 20's. He should have confronted Sandusky, not call daddy. Why didn't he, because of his career. I do think Jo-pa dropped the ball. When the GA reported the incident Joe should have had the GA call police, in his pressence...and followed through. I also think that the former GA now Asst Coach should also be fired. He was an adult functioning in a position within the school. |
| "Old Boys Club" = protect your friends/co-workers at the expense of young children. Sad. peg |
| I know it won't happen but I would love to see an empty stadium at game this weekend...forget the candle vigil...show support to victims and don't attend this game! Graduate asst. Should have called police as he witnessed a CRIME...it's time we PROTECT the children period...helpless children...instead people are more concerned over a stupid football game...a game folks or someone's child who will never live life the way he should of...a stupid football game means more than a child's life! |
| Texas is looking into charges since victim #4 was in Texas with Sandusky........hang em high. |
| Every single adult involved in this despicable situation failed these children. As for the 6 plus foot ex-football player that witnessed one of the assaults, and didn't intervene with the nearest baseball bat? Shame on him. Would he have walked away, and reported it the following day if it were a woman in that shower? The whole thing is unacceptable on every level. Joe Paterno should have been held accountable. These people put their jobs and $$$ above the safety of children, and not just once. Over and over. That Paterno was aware of this situation and never followed up? Unfathomable. These coaches turned a blind eye for years. YEARS! The trustees did the right and necessary thing by letting Paterno go. Time to clean house. Laurie and Oscar |
| I whole-heartedly, 100% agree with what everyone has said. The whole scenario just sickens me. The grad student witnessed the act, and Sandusky AND the boy saw him looking at them, yet he still just walked away and called his own father!! What that poor child thought could have been his savior turned out to be nothing more than a coward. I am pleased to hear that asst coach McQueary (the former grad student) is on administrative leave and will not be on the field tomorrow either. Some people on FB have argued that McQueary and Paterno did report it up the chain of command, so they shouldn't be held accountable. WHAT??? Yes, maybe their legal obligation was fulfilled, but what about their moral one? I just can't understand it. |
| This is the same situation that has impacted the Catholic Church and some other institutions. The original crime is beyond disgusting but equally, if not more so, is the cover-up. It is amazing to me that children are so disposable, sacrificed for what, football reputation? Glory? It is incomprehensible. I don't have kids myself, but I can't imagine walking into a situation where a kid is being assaulted and not immediately, instantly, doing everything I could to stop it. Wouldn't maternal, paternal protective instinct just kick in? This is just heartbreaking. |
| what bothers me the most is Sandusky's wife.. How could she have not known???? |
| It is possible that she didn't know. And it's possible that she had an inkling, but couldn't bring herself to entertain the notion of her husband as a pedophile. Denial is incredibly powerful, when you don't want to believe. Laurie and Oscar |
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