Outdoor activity induced diarrhea.

My 1 1/2 year old male Sheepie has loads of energy and loves to go for walks and run at the park.

Now, I'm not sure if I am feeding him the right food. He does have normal bowel moments in the morning and in the afternoon, but as soon as his activity level increases he will poop 3-4 more times and it gets progressively more diarrheay. This will happen at any point in the day when we take him to do something more active (and can be hours from when he last ate).

Right now he is on Acana Ranchlands :

http://www.championpetfoods.com/acana/s ... ulation=rl

I am thinking of switching him to Acana Sport & Agility:

http://www.championpetfoods.com/acana/s ... ulation=sa

Where it says, it includes "burdock & marshmallow root [that] support a healthy intestinal flora to prevent stress related diarrhea or constipation".

None of the Acana grain-free's (Ranchlands, Grasslands, Pacifica or Praire Harvest) contain burdock and/or marshmallow root, it seems like only the other varieties do:

PUPPY SMALL BREED
PUPPY & JUNIOR
PUPPY LARGE BREED
ADULT SMALL BREED
ADULT DOG
LAMB & APPLE
ADULT LARGE BREED
SPORT & AGILITY
LIGHT & FIT
SENIOR DOG

So my question is my sheepdog who gets about 1 hour of vigorous activity daily enough to take Acana Sport and Agility? or which of the others should I try? I was thinking maybe the Lamb & Apple?

Last question, is Chicken fat really bad for large breeds? I heard it as been linked to stomach bloat. (This is why I was perhaps leaning towards trying the Lamb & Apple first).
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I've never heard about chicken fat being linked to bloat :? Considering most dog foods include chicken and chicken fat as main ingredients I think that is probably inaccurate....
Maybe you're feeding too much? How is your dogs weight?
You can also supplement with just pro biotic capsules meant for people to balance the gut flora....
He weighs 65lbs. He eats 1 1/2 cups 7:00 -7:30AM and then 1 1/2 cups 6:00 - 6:30pm
"Purdue University has identified fat in the top four ingredients of dry food as a factor increasing the risk of bloat in large breed dogs" - from Dog Food Analysis.
Do you think something like this would be good? :

http://www.probiavi.com/english/
It is quite common to have diarrhea after vigorous exercise, times of stress (including traveling), fright, nervousness, any excitement. Usually this firms up after a few bowel movements. Nothing to be worried about.....unless it was continual after the visit to the park, then you'd be thinking he picked up something bad.
SheepieBoss wrote:
It is quite common to have diarrhea after vigorous exercise,.


I was gonna say that I've seen this in a number of adolescent dogs, almost always males. What happens is you take them out for a good long run or whatever and they poop normally, and they keep running, playing whatever, and then they have to poop again and it's a little softer and if they feel compelled to poop again it can come out almost runny. My theory is that the exercise moves things along. Not a bad thing. But in certain cases it REALLY moves things along, even though the eh, poop, really wasn't ready to be moved along, and so it comes out on the watery side.

Any time I've seen this the dog has always gradually outgrown it. Maybe they stop running like such maniacs by the time they're 2-3?

The probiotics can't hurt and is actually beneficial so nothing to lose by trying that, but I wouldn't go crazy trying to find something else to feed. Amounts seem very sensible for a dog that age. I would avoid any "performance" foods (if I'm understanding that correctly) as it's a rare OES that needs anything that calorie dense. I thought my first OES needed it - she started packing on the pounds :oops: :lol: :lol: I think it's more for sleddogs and the likes. I would definitely avoid it in a young dog who isn't done growing (and this breed keeps maturing till at least age three)

Hopefully he'll just outgrow it. :crossed:

Kristine
Thanks for sharing Kristine. Much appreciated.
SheepieBoss wrote:
It is quite common to have diarrhea after vigorous exercise, times of stress (including traveling), fright, nervousness, any excitement. Usually this firms up after a few bowel movements. Nothing to be worried about.....unless it was continual after the visit to the park, then you'd be thinking he picked up something bad.


I agree. Happens to my two all the time. I don't worry about it. As long as it is normal at other times, I view it as a sign that they've gotten some really good exercise.
Happens here too.
And it's not just an OES thing. My biggest culprit is Simon the basset. He's 12.5 years now and still has loose stools after exercise - every time. He will even go to the point he is empty and is straining to poop.

It's a natural reaction to exercise - it increases peristalsis - motility of the bowels. If the stool goes through faster, it has less time for liquids to be extracted. The less time it's in the tube, the wetter it is. :wink:

Some dogs are more sensitive to exercise causing increased gut motility - some are a lot, some it makes very little difference.
Yes, over activity may induce that. You should try to limit or reduce it. or maybe let him run around after he does his business.

Those are great brands. But there may be some ingredient that is not agreeing with him. As in my case, after nine months of feeding Orijen which I thought was the best food and probably has the most incredible ingredients, I've discovered that my oes has a problem with chicken. My dog did well but at times not. She did well some days and then soft stools and so on. She also would do what you have explained. I always just assumed it was a puppy / sensitive stomach thing. i tried everything. probiotics to pumpkin to rice to yogurt etc. But I finally had it picking up soft stool and when she was old enough for adult food, I switched. Many dog foods including Orijen has chicken or a chicken ingredients. I did some research and tried a formula that has 0% chicken to see what would happen. Since switching to a fish formula with absolute no chicken, my dog has the most beautiful stools like I've never seen and easy to pick up. I also have given her only treats with 0% chicken and so far so good. But up to now, I was feeding her the best and most expensive food and treats that I could find but it was not the best for her. Everything that i fed her had some amount of chicken. Now that it is eliminated, she has no more soft stool or diarrhea. So try to eliminate some ingredient that she may be intolerant to or allergic to. It may be your dog beef or lamb etc. Your Acana is top notch food like the Orijen that I fed but try some other brand or try their seafood version. You never know. good luck.
As noted above, sometimes certain food ingredients work better (or worse) than others.

For my whole group, I have noticed I get firmer stools on a lamb based diet than I get from a chicken based diet. Brand isn't really a factor.
Because I rotate, I try many different formulations.
My last 3 foods have been primary meats of: lamb, chicken, lamb - in that order. All 3 were different. The one chicken was definitely a looser poop than either of the lamb formulas.
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