6 month old OES
I am looking for advise/opinions...we are looking at a 6 month old OES puppy the current owners had purchased him from a breeder in CA for breeding about have decided that he will be too large (current weight 52 pounds) so they are selling him for $700. He is UTD on shots but is not on flea or heartworm prevention. They claim they paid $900 for him. Here is our dilemma ~ the current owners are not giving out much information. I ask questions like ~ breeder's name in CA, is he house-trained, good around children...etc. and I get a VERY short snappy answer mostly Yes or No ~ I have E-mail and phone calls. They offered him to us at a lower cost if we would allow them to use him for breeding which is confusing since their post clearly stated the only reason they are looking to place him was that he was too large for their breeding program. When I pointed out my confusion they did not respond to my question. We are also looking at an adorable 8 week old female OES from a very nice breeder. I like the idea of an older pup especially if this boy needs a good home but the lack information from the current owners is very frustrating. Also, has anyone found a big difference between male and female OES ~ calm, sweet personality, training...etc. Do you think $700 is a fair price? My husband thinks we should walk away from the older pup due to the snappy short answers we are getting and go with the 8 week old puppy. Thoughts.... |
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| I'm with your husband. This situation stinks, IMHO. Sounds like you have a backyard breeder who is not forthcoming with info. You, in a sense are co-owners since breeding rights are being retained by the breeder. Fine, if you are dealing with a reputable breeder who shares medical history as well as a contract with specific number of breedings. While the price is an encentive when compared to quality pups from reputable breeders, the price should be the last thing on your mind. You want quality, assurance problems probably will not occur. You can save money up front and loose your shirt later on a poorly bred dog. Also having two pups at the same time is far more difficult. The older has probably not received training and has some nasty habits that will be hard to overcome all the whild influencing the younger. Get your female trained and then look at another dog. I hope you too are not looking at being breeders in the future. There's a lot that goes into making sound, quality pups. Read up on all the various certified medical testing: hips, eyes, hearing, etc. Also you'd want to research back multi generations ........something you are not getting from the boy's breeder, but hopefully from the girl's. |
| Hi No we don't want to get into breeding. We told the current owners that was not an option we would want ~ we just want an OES to love and spoil! I wish they would tell me who the breeder was then we could decide if this older pup was from a reputable breeder or a backyard breeder ~ it would help with our decision. |
| Chinamom- its very possible that THEY are the breeder, and this is a pup that they were unable to sell. Now its 6 months later, and they realize that no one wants a big puppy when they probably have a new litter already on the way. So they dropped the price a little bit, and are willing to sell for even less if you will let them continue breeding with him themselves. I'm a sucker for "rescuing" dogs- but Sheepieboss is right. You have no idea what you will be getting into. Both of my girls are back yard breeder dogs, and we've had tens of thousands of dollars in vet and training bills to help us cope with the lousy start in life these girls had. If you have the financial resources, the time and the patience and determination, I say Do It! But it can be a really big chore, it can be completely life changing, and if this is your first OES, you may want to go with a breeder that will be open and up front with you, and be there to help support you through it all. just my opinion, of course- Allison |
| I agree with what others are saying. Listen to your gut on this one. If you want an older dog, or like the idea of helping to rescue a dog, then work with one of the rescue organizations who will help find the right dog for your family. Or spend the money and work with a reputable breeder. The good ones care about their dogs and will take the time to answer your questions and will have questions of their own to ask you, too! Good luck to you! |
| Never thought they might be the original breeders ~ good thought! |
| Umm... is this a blue eyed boy being sold on eBay Classifieds? What you shared about him being too big sounds familiar to something I saw in an ad recently. Quote: We got him to breed with our female oes and he is getting too big for her. He weighs 50 lbs and is going to be a BIG boy! What state is he in currently? |
| I have to agree with your hubby on this one. Not having answers and short responses to questions is a red flag. If you want an old dog I would seriously consider calling your local oes rescue. Bella was about two when I adopted her and although they couldn't answer all my questions about her background they had done an evaluation and so could tell me how she was with kids, car rides and such. As others have said a "good price" should not be the deciding factor. Although I didn't have a big fee to adopte Bella and have been lucky she has been healthly I have no idea how her parents were healthwise. That being said I wanted an "older pup" and love the idea of recuse. It was a win win for me and Bella. Call the other breeder and talk with some the the rescue groups before you make a choice. You want someone who will be there in the long run to help with questions. Good breeders and the rescue groups will always be looking out for their dogs and willing to answer your questions. |
| Yes he is on E-bay classified ~ he is SC. His size did not seem that large to us. I do love his blue eyes! I have contacted our local OES rescue and the coordinator has been very busy and I have not had the opportunity to speak with her. |
| wasn't there a lovely boy coming over the mountains to the east coast??????I am not sure how far east he was coming but someone on the site was fostering him I think and said he was a very good boy. |
Quote: No we don't want to get into breeding. We told the current owners that was not an option we would want ~ we just want an OES to love and spoil!  That's our job!!  |
You may want to take a look into this link  viewtopic.php?f=15&t=32536 If it is the puppy Dallas in SC he is from a breeder in Texas! Good Luck to you! |
| Just curious... were you given the full AKC registered name of the puppy? |
| Thank you for all the information. I would love to get Dallas and give him a loving forever home but dealing with the owners has been VERY frusterating. My heart goes out to the puppy ~ he looks so sweet! |
| No I was given very little information. The owners give very brief snappy answers. I am not sure of his full name. This poor baby needs to be out of there ~ he deserves a wonderful home and family! |
chinamom wrote: No I was given very little information. The owners give very brief snappy answers. I am not sure of his full name. This poor baby needs to be out of there ~ he deserves a wonderful home and family! You are very right...I have dealt with her I know what you must be going through Are you close to where Dallas is? |
| Yes we are in NC ~ I was thinking about driving there this week until I read all the posts. |
Well, it is not the puppy's fault but, she does like to play games so I would be worried about that  I wish aomebody would get him. |
| Is this dog from who I think it is?? IMHO this person needs BIG help and should be committed. Totally certifiable, and I believe any judge would agree. |
Shellie wrote: Is this dog from who I think it is?? IMHO this person needs BIG help and should be committed. Totally certifiable, and I believe any judge would agree. Yes, it appears to be  |
Shellie wrote: Is this dog from who I think it is?? IMHO this person needs BIG help and should be committed. Totally certifiable, and I believe any judge would agree. Oh no. I didn't even think about "that person" until you mentioned it. Probably is that person. |
| I would do it ~ for the puppy's sake. Does anyone know which breeder this puppy would have come from? Since he is still very young I feel we could correct any of his bad habits with consistent training and love. I am tempted....but then again I don't want to get into a terrible mess... |
chinamom wrote: I would do it ~ for the puppy's sake. Does anyone know which breeder this puppy would have come from? Since he is still very young I feel we could correct any of his bad habits with consistent training and love. I am tempted....but then again I don't want to get into a terrible mess... I have emailed a friend of the breeders to see if I can put the two of you in touch Jaci is the one that put two and two together as always!  |
| Thanks! |
| People can search for themselves... http://columbia.ebayclassifieds.com "old english sheepdog" The SassyOes ad for the 5 month old blue eyed boy in Columbia, SC includes a website address. There's a link on that page that takes you to a photo album. You'll see a puppy picture there- http://im1.shutterfly.com/procgtaserv/4 ... CZNmLlu0aA That matches the OES.org avatar of sassyzena shown here- viewtopic.php?f=9&t=32430&p=436832 SassyOes also had these ads- http://www.oodle.com/seller/49286838/closed/ IF this is the same breeder, she's left a trail of people frustrated with her dog activities... |
| Her ads keep changing they have been $900,$500 and $700 and now $1,000 in the last week. |
chinamom wrote: Her ads keep changing they have been $900,$500 and $700 and now $1,000 in the last week. Jaci noticed that too! |
| Her unstable prices aren't the only unstable piece of this story, I'm afraid. She seems to thrive some sort of a fantasy world and on negative attention. Personally, I would suggest that any other situation would carry a lot less drama. Good luck. |
Ron wrote: Her unstable prices aren't the only unstable piece of this story, I'm afraid. She seems to thrive some sort of a fantasy world and on negative attention. Personally, I would suggest that any other situation would carry a lot less drama. Good luck. Ditto, you may be better looking elsewhere, this does break ones heart, but your likely with the history of that person to think you are getting the pup and to have them slam the door in your face. Them wanting to use the dog in the future for stud from what has been posted here stay away from this person or it could end up in heart break. People like this work on those wanting to do the right thing and unfortunately they sucker people in to these situations to sell a puppy, warning this person from what has been posted is a nut case who hopefully over time will be run out of business with her lies and the way she disposes of dogs for money and obviously a business that keeps popping up, not only OES but other breeds as well, I think from memory Mastiffs, working on peoples genorous hearts to do the right thing out of pity & concern, to sell her stuff. I think she also slammed the door on a person wanting to rescue or get out of that situation an OES, they travelled miles and miles to have the door slammed in their face when turning up with that persons permission to take the dog to be treated that way after the person said they could have the dog and after all that travel left with nothing and no answers after that person telling them they could have the dog. A very nutty person who also posted about rehousing unstable dogs through OES rescue, here on the forum too, but at a price!!. So a way of selling her BYB stuff with hopefully sympathy of concerned people, she needs to be run out of business and the only way to stop that is people not being suckered into her methods and buying her dogs at any price. My advice is go elsewhere even though your heart yearns for this boy, in the long term you WILL be dissapointed with this crazy person and likely not to end up with the dog at all from her and you are only supporting her keeping her in "Business" if you do go ahead with it, sorry to say that, but she really needs to be "Put out of Business" with the way she disposes of dogs, the only way to stop her, is too not get anything from her, no money coming in, no business for her, hard and I do feel for the dogs in that situation but if people keep buying from her she will keep doing what she is doing and it will never stop!!. |
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