will not come in

Hi Moe is now one and going through teenage issues,,new one Moe will not come in for my husband and how long is it okay for sheepies to be out in 25 f temp? I work full time and my hubby is retired and has health issues. I walk Moe at night when I come home.And he gets attention all day from my hubby. On my days off or when i go in late he gets two wals and play time. We have an elctric fence and moe either goes out through deck in back or out the front. In the past three days it is a struggle for my husband to get him to come in..I have no problem.He comes to the patio door on the deck knocks but wont come in. Almost like "come out and play"...this is a new behavoir two days ago he was out for four hours!!Any ideas?? I know he is my shadow but he also is attached to hubby. :lmt:
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ah, this brings back memories. first off though, 25degrees won't hurt moe, mine would lay in the snow and look at ya like, "are you kidding me?" it's still snowing and i'll be in someday. even the lab would stayout quite awhile at much colder temps.
anyway, a high value treat is probably in order when moe comes back to the door, although he may be still be in come out n play mode, but i think your husband will get him inside sooner than later with treat in hand, but not given till inside so he learns when dad calls, it could be good things.
i did just remember a very rambunctious pair, a rottie male and boxer female who couldn't get enough of each other. they wouldn't come in till good and ready till treats were applied. although after they did learn, you could find them standing at the kitchen drawer where the dog treats were kept in case you forgot. 8)
Hopefully the treats work :crossed:

If not the other option is to only let him out with a light, long line on. You can make your own by going to the hardware store and buying a long length of light rope and attaching it to a clip to put on the collar.

Of course this means that you have to either hold the line or tie it to something and you have to be able to watch them the whole time so they don't get tangled up in anything.
Is Moe being called to come in and then plays the "come out and play" game or is he knocking and then playing the "game"? If the dog is knocking, I would short cut the "game" by letting the dog out for a short period of time and then recalling. In other words, don't let Moe make the decision when he comes in.

If he is accustomed to riding in the car and likes it, a set of car keys can make a difference. Try having your husband call and jingle the keys, then give a yummy food treat once Moe is inside. I like to use a special treat (cheese or lamb - a small piece of something he doesn't normally get) when I'm training to overcome an issue. Sometimes you need a different sound to jiggle their little doggy brains into paying attention when they are at that stubborn stage. If the car keys aren't the positive sound for Moe, you can try whistles, etc. - something shrill enough to get his attention. (While keys aren't loud, to my dogs they are magic!)

Make a game of it with lots of lavish praise. And repetition is your friend. In fact, since your husband is home with him, I would have him practice recalls in the house throughout the day. After a few of days of tune-up training, your dog will do a really prompt recall. :D

Good luck!
If the come command is always viewed by the dog as something negative (meaning an end to play, an end to freedom), it becomes a more difficult command. Have you done come-with-release? The dog comes to you, you quickly give the dog a treat and are able to touch the dog for even just a second or two, then you immediately release the dog to play again?

A clicker may help... load the clicker first (click-treat, click-treat, click-treat... maybe 12-15 times so the dog will relate a click with a treat. Then say "come"-click, when he arrives, treat/praise him immediately but then RELEASE him. Do this several times. Eventually do the same thing but with the "come" location being inside the back door... then release. Of course come will at times mean the end of play but at least the dog will get a treat and praise for being a good boy. Keep the clicker and a small container of super good treats by the back door for the come command only.

Just a side note... early on, I told my son to use a clicker with the come command with his Boxer puppy. She comes with him to work each day and it's awesome how quickly she tears into the house for a treat, even if she's playing with one of the dogs here. :D

If "come" can be viewed as something good, it may make things a little easier. BUT... come has to mean the dog comes every time. If you say come, the dog must come or you must go and get the dog... every time. If the dog gets away with not coming, it becomes optional. There have been times that Jim and I have been peeved at a dog for not coming so we're forced to retrieve that dog and they know we are not happy by our own posturing and tone. Not sure if THAT is right but it works here. It's then time to again bring out the clicker/treats for reconditioning again.

We too have a dog to drag a long training lead or plastic clothesline attached to the dog's collar when we're teaching "come"... only allow them to drag it though when supervised 100% of the time because it could be a safety risk. And play the come game... each person has treats (maybe have your husband have the super good ones at first if the dog is not as reliable with come for him 8) ). "Moe, cooome!" in a happy voice is the command. Have him go back and forth between you and your husband... anyone else in the home too if that applies. If he doesn't come, the lead can be snagged to help direct him to the person calling him. Here are pictures of the come-game...

http://oesusa.com/Page260.html
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Later on, you may get so you can slack off on the clicker and use just verbal... but the clicker can be brought out again if the dog's response to come is beginning to slack off. Not sure why it works but I bend at the waist, point to the ground and say RIGHT HERE! if a dog isn't coming as he/she should. Might be the tone or the delivery of the command, I'm not sure.
Yeah Jaci! :clappurple:

That post is so great it should be a sticky on how to teach a recall.

Very nice!

~n
Thank you! But there's somebody, probably several somebodies, out there that "invented" the methods we use so I can't take any credit. :wink: :lol: Some of it just becomes second nature over time.

One thing I didn't mention was that if the area of freedom is too large, it can make going out to retrieve a misbehaving dog very difficult. Chasing a dog is often unproductive if the dog thinks of it as play or keep-away. If this happens to be the case, it may be best to make the size of the freedom area smaller until you have better recall. You can use welded wire fencing or the lightweight plastic snow fence inside an already secured yard to make the play area smaller.

Others will hopefully share more and different ways to help with recall.
Memories! Ohhh, the memories! Ohh wait!! This is still EVERY DAY OF MY LIFE!!!! The only thing that comforts me is that she is in full coat and surely is just fine outside. She just really prefers the cold to the heat in the house. At about 70 degrees she is out of there. I wonder if your husband has the temp up in the house due to his health issues. Possibly your pup is just too hot.
Jaci, you nailed it. (As usual.... :) )

I taught Quincy and Oscar "here" (informal, return to my general area), and "come" (formal, run to me and sit directly in front of me waiting for the next sign) exactly as Jaci described.

To begin, I used a 6 ft lead, and lots of nummy treats, and we worked indoors, without distractions. I would give the command and reel the dog in gently to me, and treat immediately. Pretty soon, the dog associated my command with what I was looking for in general. Then I started to refine the "come" command to include the sit/stay in front on me, by giving the additional "sit/stay" command once they reached me, and rewarding with a treat. Pretty soon, I was able to drop the additional commands as they understood that "come" was asking for a string of behaviors (come, sit, stay and watch). We then graduated to a longer lead, and took our work outside, to reinforce the learning. We didn't use clicker training with Oscar, as he's deaf, but I think it's a great suggestion.

As Jaci mentioned, you have to be able to go get the dog if they do not respond to the command, which is why I kept Oscar/Quincy on a lead. It removes the ability of the dog to turn it into a game of chase, or simply to ignore you. It's a bit of work in the beginning, but very rewarding.

Just for the heck of it, this morning I decided to do the "come" command sign to Oscar, to see if he still remembers it. (Honestly, I haven't needed to use it with him in YEARS!) He was lying down in the fireplace, almost asleep. I made the sign, he jumped up, ran to me, and sat directly in front of me, a PERFECT response. :yay: He got a yummy treat and a big hug.


Laurie and Oscar
well, is moe trained yet?

nice jaci, you covered it.

:cheer:
okay he is coming in for me now...(or it is the chicken and the REALLY big fuss and play with fav toy when he makes his appearance)..tommorrow is pops turn by himself...somehow i dont think he is quite there yet :crossed:
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