I need a signal!

Clyde does pretty well in the house if we keep him to a schedule and watch him but our problem is this: he gives no signal that he has to go. Sometimes he'll sit by the back door but if I miss it, he'll go right there. He's fine in his crate and he makes it through the night and during the day while we're at work fine but it's while we're home that we have the problem.

We've tried to get him excited and get him to bark or scratch or give us a paw but nothing. He seemed annoyed at the idea of it. I'm wondering if anyone could offer any advice to get him to do something that would let me know he has to go. I've been thinking about getting a bell but other than that, he seems less than motivated to do anything on his own.
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I am in the same boat so to speak. I haven't tried a bell, because I think they would just eat it.
I don't remember housetraining being so hard when I was a kid...lol... it just happened.... I mention that to my Dad, and he says they paper trained, praised a pup for going on paper, made the paper smaller, and closer to outside and eventually moved the paper outside. They got all excited and happy praising a pup like crazy for going outside, and when there was an accident in the house my Dad would look at the pup, looking all sad, and just say "Shaaaame on" in a disappointed voice. Then he would ignore the pup for a while. At night, and when no one was home for the first year, a pup was confined to the front foyer of our home, which was all ceramic, about 15x20 feet with french doors separating it from the family room, and baby gates to prevent the pup from going upstairs. The pup would be so sad looking and ashamed of itself if it had an accident. It was never hit, never yelled at, not even a slight raise of voice. They just love my dad so much, and want to please him so much, that disappointed voice and the words "shame on" was more than enough to cause a pup to be contrite and you could see how hard they tried to do better.
As for a signal, they just hold it til someone lets them out, which is always at 6am, again at lunch, again after work and again before bed. Never any accidents.... I think I'm going to have to convince them somehow to house train my next pup...lol
Me neither. But, then again, we lived on a lot of land and our dogs lived on our enclosed porch and outside so they came and went as they pleased. They kind of trained themselves. My other dog Lucy is a rescue and I always joke that I wish I could find her original owners just so they could train Clyde like they did her! Then again, Lucy wasn't treated very well so maybe not but she is an angel.

I'm thinking a big bell-- too big to actually eat. I had the same thought as you. I may have to actually anchor it down. I'm very open to other ideas though...
I always kept our dogs in the kitchen with a baby gate, and only allowed on the carpet after I took them out for a pee. Staying at home all day never gives them a full bladder, and I am fortunate that remy gives me a signal. She'll come up to me, stare at me, really stare me down, then I say "What?" then she barks, I say "Outside" and she takes off for the back door.

If we are both in the kitchen, where the door is, then she goes over and sits by the door. Of course if I ignore for too long she will bark once to get my attention. If it's late at night she is quieter about it, and nudges my hand to wake me, and sits...I have to respond quickly then or she will bark. If I don't respond at all, she has peed...those late nights are like 2-3 am, and I don't take her seriously...my mistake. So we take away her access to water (close toilet lids), remove water dish...a late night walk always makes her pee, and usually a poo.

I hope this next puppy follows her lead, because it sure makes life easier, when you can communicate needs.
Thanks for all the info above!! This is a GREAT place to visit!
On an individual dog my best results came from exciting the dog outside after he/she pottied. Whether you call it pee pee or poopie, etc. I would always use one of the phrases to praise them for what they did. At the same time I would be working on "Wanna go out", which required some kind of responce. I kind of let the dog teach me what to watch for, as I was teaching it to speak. That way, if I seen the dog acting in that manner I knew to watch out, so I'd ask if he wanted to go out. Soon he would answer by speaking. When we were both trained, he/she would speak and I'd open the door. Until then, I opened the door anyway. lol And would then praise them for whatever they did.
When I was raising a litter of puppies, I would let their mother house train them. I had her whelping box set up in the spare bedroom and when they were a few weeks old (weather-temperature permitting) when she wanted to go out, I'd make a barricade from the bedroom to the door to keep them in line. I always asked her if whe wanted to go outside to get them familiar with the expression and when she'd get up, of course they're going to follow. Nothing sounds cuter than a herd of 8 - 10 puppies running through the house to the back door. lol Sure, there would be those that couldn't make it to the door, but thats why I put plastic down and something on it to keep them from sliding, and to make cleanup easier. This continued until they were weaned, then mom was out of the picture. Then, I'd go in and ask 'them' if they wanted to go outside, they'd get excited and when the kennel door was opened we ran very fast to the back door. lol At this time, no barricades, no plastic, they would follow me. Granted, there were some mistakes, but not many and not often. Its the easiest way to housetrain. Of course, when they left they had to learn where to go, etc. but they already knew the basics.
When they make a mess in the house, take it outside and place it in the yard where you want them to go and let them see it. Next time they need to go out, take them to that spot. Don't forget to use something to remove the odor in the house or they will continue to use that spot. Good luck to all.
This company has bells for housetraining...
and they have instructions on how to train your dog
to use the bell...

www.poochie-bells.com
Lol. That's exactly what I made for Clyde. However, I put extra bells in a cluster at the bottom to get a better sound.

Maybe I'll start my own company...
ButterStotch-

Have the bells worked for Clyde? I am having trouble knowing when Izzy needs to go out to pee. She barks at us when she needs to poop, but no sign (that we have noticed) for peeing. How did you approach the teaching of the bell system? Thanks for any help!!

Amanda
For whom the bell tolls?
We used the paper training...moving closer to the door and less paper..it did work...BUT...Panda still doesnt give a good signal, she just stands at the door looking at us....so, sometimes she has to go, sometimes not, she just wants to sniff...I read about the bell thing and I know someone that uses it ...it seems to work..... In 2 years, she really has only had a few accidents...so we are really lucky....I just wish she was a little like our old golden...she used to scratch at the back door.....
Izzie is 5 months now and holds it pretty well. We live in a townhouse without a fenced in yard...so when she needs to pee we take her out on a leash. She does bark when she wants to poop...just nothing for peeing except maybe a little whining. We don't have many accidents because we usually take her out often enough...but a signal - bells or something - would be nice...especially because my sister is hearing impaired and therefore doesn't hear Izzie whine. The two boys we had before would bark and scratch at the back door, but we had a fenced in yard when we had them.

Amanda
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