Yet Another Camera Suggestion Thread

I've got it down to 2. Not sure which one I should get ...and would be better for the types of pics I want (lots of indoor, sports, family gathering). Any preferences or comments in regards to these?

I've dropped my present powershot one too many times and it's now in several different pieces. I need one quick (soccer game coming up)!

Canon PowerShot s95
http://www.amazon.com/Canon-PowerShot-S ... 420&sr=1-1

OR

Canon PowerShot G11
http://www.amazon.com/Canon-PowerShot-G ... b_title_ce
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Did you look at digital SLRs?
For just a little more than one of those you posted and about the same as the other one, you could get a digital SLR that will blow those out of the water in every way.
And the new SLRs can operate in complete automatic mode so you don't have to be an engineer to operate it.

Take a look at the Nikon D3000. I think Best Buy sells it for $499 so I'm sure you can get it cheaper online.

Whatever you do, make sure you get a camera that has a very high ISO upper number. The higher the number, the better it will shoot in low light (brighter, less grainy).

After I used Judi's at the Nationals and talked with Barb and Rob about theirs, I'm completely sold on a digital SLR.
I'm looking at the Nikon D5000.
I have the older model (several generations back) that is very similar to the G11 and my sister actually just bought the G11. It's an excellent Canon point and shoot and it has quite a bit a bit of versatility to get a bit more out of your photos, especially your sportsy action shots. In fact, it would be the camera that I would suggest you get before you get a DSLR. Take the time to read the manual and learn about everything it does and when and if you step it up, you'll be way ahead of the game in mastering the controls of a DSLR. The only big con of that camera is that it's a pretty big camera to carry around. It definitely is not a toss in your purse and go situation.

For you, I would think that a DSLR is not the best lifestyle choice for you-- not because of its controls or learning curve, but because you've got a bunch of lenses to worry about dragging around with you all the time. It's a serious load and you've already got a serious load with 4 kids (almost) and all their gear. Even a couple of key lenses are fragile and heavy-- and expensive. You buy the camera body and each lens is separate or it'll come with a zoom lens in a starter kit. If you're only going to use the kit lens that sometimes comes with it, you're just as well off getting a near DSLR camera with the G11. Don't get me wrong, a DSLR is always the way to go if you're serious about photography but there's definitely a commitment. I shoot with a Canon T1i right now and I love it but I usually carry at least 3 lenses with me (minus kids) and I still feel like I have my hands full.

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Whatever you do, make sure you get a camera that has a very high ISO upper number. The higher the number, the better it will shoot in low light (brighter, less grainy).


Actually, the higher ISO you use, the grainier the photo will be. It will be brighter but it will make a ton of noise in the photos. More importantly, compare ISO high noise reduction reviews. As a rule, when you shoot, you want to use the lowest ISO setting that you can for the situation unless you're specifically shooting for a grainy, raw look.
Yeah.. I'm so confused now.

I was leaning towards the G11, but...
I keep thinking "what's pocket-able?" ...and the other one I linked is and all the reviews are saying they're soooo much alike. The G11 being a little bit better at most things. The other one being great for low light and is very tiny! I'm always shoving a camera in Mr. J's pocket and am glad my last camera was small enough to fit in the diaper bag (and it's STUFFED ...try packing lunches in your bag for 4...the 4th one always being for daddy who always says where's mine?).

On the flip side, I hate regretting my purchase and wishing i would have went with exactly I wanted. We'll see... was going to purchase tonight, but I'm sleeping on it.. Maybe waiting until next week.
ButtersStotch wrote:
I have the older model (several generations back) that is very similar to the G11 and my sister actually just bought the G11. It's an excellent Canon point and shoot and it has quite a bit a bit of versatility to get a bit more out of your photos, especially your sportsy action shots. In fact, it would be the camera that I would suggest you get before you get a DSLR. Take the time to read the manual and learn about everything it does and when and if you step it up, you'll be way ahead of the game in mastering the controls of a DSLR. The only big con of that camera is that it's a pretty big camera to carry around. It definitely is not a toss in your purse and go situation.

For you, I would think that a DSLR is not the best lifestyle choice for you-- not because of its controls or learning curve, but because you've got a bunch of lenses to worry about dragging around with you all the time. It's a serious load and you've already got a serious load with 4 kids (almost) and all their gear. Even a couple of key lenses are fragile and heavy-- and expensive. You buy the camera body and each lens is separate or it'll come with a zoom lens in a starter kit. If you're only going to use the kit lens that sometimes comes with it, you're just as well off getting a near DSLR camera with the G11. Don't get me wrong, a DSLR is always the way to go if you're serious about photography but there's definitely a commitment. I shoot with a Canon T1i right now and I love it but I usually carry at least 3 lenses with me (minus kids) and I still feel like I have my hands full.


Actually, the higher ISO you use, the grainier the photo will be. It will be brighter but it will make a ton of noise in the photos. More importantly, compare ISO high noise reduction reviews. As a rule, when you shoot, you want to use the lowest ISO setting that you can for the situation unless you're specifically shooting for a grainy, raw look.


Not to hi-jack Mrs. J's thread, but help me out here.
In doing research on cameras, I've read that you'd want a camera with the widest ISO range as you can afford. I've also read the wider the range (and therefore the higher the upper number), the better the camera can shoot in low light and still have great picture quality.
Is that wrong?

That's my biggest complaint with point-and-shoots. The picture quality in low light is awful. And when it's flash goes off, the foreground is washed out and everything else is nearly black.


And I'm not sure that most people who buy a DSLR necessarily buy multiple lenses. Most are probably happy with the 18-55 mm lens that comes with it (I think that's like a 3x zoom lens).

Yes, they are a little bulky. But for me, the trade-off of a little bulkiness in return for a great picture & more flexibility is well worth it.
If pocket-ability and size are an issue, that will probably rule out a DSLR.
The key is to get the right match of ISO for the lighting condition and not overload the camera's sensor. A good match will give you no to low noise but the higher you go over that, the grainier the photo will get because the sensor becomes more sensitive to light. Actually, I'm stealing this language from another site because they explain it better than I will:

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All Digital cameras suffer from a common malady, called "High ISO noise". What does it mean is, if you select a higher ISO speed for your sensor, your will get some extra digital noise signal. This noise manifests like tiny colored specs scattered all over the picture area. It is kind of like getting grains when you use high-speed films. This happens due to the fact Image sensor cells produce electron charge over time and depending on the temperature. Cooler the temperature, lesser the noise, higher the temperature, higher the noise. Unfortunately, even in normal ambient temperature, the existing image sensors produces appreciable amount of charges to degrade the image at low light and / or longer exposure. In technical term this is also called Dark count and Dark noise of the sensor.



Low ISO will always give you better quality but if you're shooting at night or really dark, you don't always have a choice. Then you have to make sure you adjust your shutter speed and aperture to take advantage of the light that you do have. The lower the aperture number, the more light comes in, the slower the shutter speed, longer exposure and more time for light to get in.

Just to really screw you up, though, something like this is shot at a super slow exposure (30 seconds) and really high aperture but the ISO was only 100.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21839088@N ... 772453333/

Does that make sense?
Back to you, J, lol. I also have a Canon SD 880IS which for portability and photos has been the best point and shoot that I've ever had. I don't know what the newer model of that one is but in terms of a stick in your pocket great camera, it's great. It has a really good macro setting for a point and shot, too. These little nesting dolls are barely an inch tall:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21839088@N ... 425450299/

A little grainy but for a tiny camera, not bad at all.

Low light is always a problem no matter what camera you get. The best cameras and photographers struggle with low light so if you're on the fence, I'd go with what you can shove in your pocket since that's important to you (justifiably!). Those two are close enough in quality that I have a feeling the low light differences wouldn't be that discernible.
I have a Canon Rebel and a Canon Elph and love them both, I leave my settings at point and shoot and get great photos . The charm of the Elph is that it fits into my pocket or purse so I always have it with me :D
I have a Cannon EOS-1. It's supposed to take awesome pictures. Put for hauling it around is a pain. I'm taking it with us this weekend. First time I've travelled with it. It has awesome action shot capabilities, but again a little big to carry around.

Lisa and Frankie
CamVal1 wrote:
And I'm not sure that most people who buy a DSLR necessarily buy multiple lenses. Most are probably happy with the 18-55 mm lens that comes with it (I think that's like a 3x zoom lens).

Yes, they are a little bulky. But for me, the trade-off of a little bulkiness in return for a great picture & more flexibility is well worth it.


I will disagree with you on a couple of points.
Over the last five years, the point and shoots have have improved to the point that a good photographer could take a picture with both a P&S and a DSLR - and you would have a hard telling which was which. That doesn't apply to low end P&S or to most sporting events however.
With the exception of special promotions, the kit lens sold with DSLR body is not a good lens. They tend to be lightweight plastic instead of glass. The lens is more important than the camera body - the camera is only as good as the lens.
A 55mm lens won't work for sporting events. It's a nice portrait lens, but won't get you squat on the pitch, baseball/football fields, or indoor court. I want the expressions on their faces. I have a Canon 70-200mm 2.8 telephoto lens and I wish I had another 100mm or more at times. I also have a 28-70mm 2.8 for general use.

I too raised three kids - with 18 years of sports for the kids (I miss that now). I carried a backpack with the film camera body, extra film, both lens, billfold & cellphone and diaper changing supplies - and folding chairs. The rest of the stuff could be left in the car. The pictures were absolutely worth it.
Mom of 3 wrote:
CamVal1 wrote:
And I'm not sure that most people who buy a DSLR necessarily buy multiple lenses. Most are probably happy with the 18-55 mm lens that comes with it (I think that's like a 3x zoom lens).

Yes, they are a little bulky. But for me, the trade-off of a little bulkiness in return for a great picture & more flexibility is well worth it.


I will disagree with you on a couple of points.
Over the last five years, the point and shoots have have improved to the point that a good photographer could take a picture with both a P&S and a DSLR - and you would have a hard telling which was which. That doesn't apply to low end P&S or to most sporting events however.
With the exception of special promotions, the kit lens sold with DSLR body is not a good lens. They tend to be lightweight plastic instead of glass. The lens is more important than the camera body - the camera is only as good as the lens.
A 55mm lens won't work for sporting events. It's a nice portrait lens, but won't get you squat on the pitch, baseball/football fields, or indoor court. I want the expressions on their faces. I have a Canon 70-200mm 2.8 telephoto lens and I wish I had another 100mm or more at times. I also have a 28-70mm 2.8 for general use.

I too raised three kids - with 18 years of sports for the kids (I miss that now). I carried a backpack with the film camera body, extra film, both lens, billfold & cellphone and diaper changing supplies - and folding chairs. The rest of the stuff could be left in the car. The pictures were absolutely worth it.


The more photography that I do, the more impressed I am with anyone that shot/shoots with real film. We're so spoiled now with being able to take 100s of frames to get one good shot. I'd never be able to do it with real film.

I completely agree with you on the newer P&S cameras. The better ones give the low end DSLRs a serious run for their money. I really feel like the key to getting the most out of your camera is to learn all the functions of it and how those work. Read the manual cover to cover. I bought my first DSLR and did an insane amount of reading on it and, when I was done, I found that I got a lot more out of my high end point and shoot than I ever had before because I could apply everything I learned from the DSLR to that camera. I wish I had just read the darn thing when I got it!

I also agree that my kit lens is the lamest of all my lenses and I almost never use it. Lately, I'm kind of obsessed with good bokeh so I'm shooting a lot with a Canon EF 50mm f/1.8-- it was cheap and a good beginner's lens for the effect that I want to play with.

The more you shoot, the more you learn but I have to admit that I'm a lazy photographer for many things that I know I can correct digitally later. Sometimes I only shoot for digital manipulation because I find that part just as fun as taking the pictures. :)
I have the Canon GS 10 and absolutely love it--It is not as small as some of my point and shoots however I do find that I can carry it in my purse on occasion. A professional photographer recommended it to me as it is what he uses when he travels and doesn't want to lug around his professional camera.
I did spend some time reading the manual to learn how to use the various settings etc. (do need to study it some more) and it has made a difference in how I use the camera.

I am a complete amateur but wanted to take nice shots. I do love this camera--
Hope you find just the right camera for you--just thought I would add my 2 cents worth.
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