excessive scissoring

There is so much talk about the 'overly excessive' scissoring and grooming in the show world.

I had another exhibitor yesterday come up to me and talk about the Scissoring of the neck coat on some dogs ........
Today i finally had the time to go to the ring and actually watch OES being shown and observe the breed.

OMG :cow: :cow: I *FINALLY* see what is being talked about.... The neck coats on some of these dogs being shown were so overly excessively SCISSORED instead of being plucked or stripped was unreal! This is just plain laziness on the person doing the grooming!

When i was getting pictures taken this afternoon (Caly took her first Cdn. Major today, yesterday reserve and nothing day before as i had not groomed), the judge was telling me and the handler i used *long story as to why*, that he felt in hindsight he SHOULD have withheld the ribbons for the excessive grooming.....

This is the first time i have ever
(a) seen neck stripping done by scissoring..
(B) had a JUDGE tell me somthing like this!

Maybe the Judges are starting to listen to what is being said about excessive grooming!

*i tried to go around an elderly woman yesterday on a walker coming out of Tim Horton's, and stepped off of the curb wrong and DOWN i went....... i am so brused and sore it is unreal....
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Hi Ali there has to be a happy medium with scissoring, you dont want your dog to look like a Yak and also you dont want them to look like a blob from too much excessive profusion of the coat from the head to the body. I prefer to always strip the neck coat never cut it as I like the flowing shawl.

Our standard here for coats along with what happens in the rest of the world too. We show in longer coats as per the standard as well as UK, Europe and NZ the scissoring of them is not so excessive, but does need to be kept at a happy medium.. "Neither like a Yak or Blob but not like a Bichon is trimmed. Some I have seen over there and I dont want to be nasty look like they have had lawn mowers run up there butts.!!!!

Our standard in regard to coats.


Coat
Profuse, but not so excessive as to give the impression of the dog being overly fat, and of a good hard texture; not straight, but shaggy and free from curl. Quality and texture of coat to be considered above mere profuseness. Softness or flatness of coat to be considered a fault. The undercoat is a waterproof pile when not removed by grooming or season. Ears coated moderately. The whole skull well covered with hair. The neck well coated with hair. The forelegs well coated all around. The hams densely coated with a thick, long jacket in excess of any other part. Neither the natural outline nor the natural texture of the coat may be changed by any artificial means except that the feet and rear may be trimmed for cleanliness.
Lisa I know what you are saying, but i think, you would agree had you seen these dogs.......the necks were not 'stripped' they were SCISSORED to the point of beyond belief!
People standing ringside (old tyme breeders) were saying the same thing the judge did too......... that ribbons should have been withheld for the excessive scissoring.

I usually go to a show and someone tells me i need to take 'a bit more off'...... and i am usually cringing when some trimming is done beyond what i like on my dogs..... I think "I" have taken too much off already as it is, but i am told No, needs more here, or there...

I don't mind a neck that is nicely hand stripped out....... but this was rediculous and embarrasing really to our breed!
I'd like to see Edward Scissorhands groom an OES - his dog would probably win best in show!!
Sheepie2 wrote:
I'd like to see Edward Scissorhands groom an OES - his dog would probably win best in show!!



:lol: I think he was made to groom poodles more than OES' :D
Ali wrote:
I don't mind a neck that is nicely hand stripped out....... but this was rediculous and embarrasing really to our breed!


Years ago, I saw someone shaping a neck with what I can only describe as an electric knife. It was like a long blade with a handle (like an electric knife) and they were taking it down the length of the shawl. It was crazy. I've never seen anyone use one since but I always remember it when these conversations come up!
I know who that was and what that was Jill!
Trust me, that was NOTHING like the scissoring that these dogs had to their necks!
Ali wrote:
I know who that was and what that was Jill!
Trust me, that was NOTHING like the scissoring that these dogs had to their necks!


What is that thing? I've never seen one again but always wondered just for curiosity's sake. What's it called?
It was called "the WAND" and was put out by OSTER...........

I think they only made it one year. Angela Stein had one and i thought it was neat........ never could find one.
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