But he still poops in the living room on average, once a week, usually around ten o'clock in the morning. He sometimes goes a month without and then does two or three days in a row. I clean it up, and he skulks around...it's clear he's not proud as he crouches, tail stub tucked between his legs, very submissive. A few times I've walked in to the room and caught him trying to eat it back up. That's something he never does outside, so I'm thinking it's an attempt to hide the evidence?
I've washed the floor thoroughly, and sprayed it each time. I take him out frequently, almost as if he's a young puppy. I watch him carefully, but can't have eyes on all the time. Once he came up beside me while I was dusting in the living room and started to poop while I was RIGHT THERE. I stopped him immediately and ran him out, but I'm still puzzled by that one.
Any thoughts on anything else we should be doing? I'd like very much for him to be trustworthy.
He's really good with peeing, except, sometimes early in the morning (five o'clock or so) he'll fuss. If I'm in the bedroom I'll get up, run him right out, and praise him like crazy. If I'm sick I sleep elsewhere and my hubby doesn't wake up so we have had the occasional accident in the bedroom, but it's really infrequent, and frankly, I think those are my hubby's fault. Rudy does try to let us know he needs to go out to pee. Someone just wasn't listening.
If anyone can think of anything else I could/should try please let me know. I'm very open to suggestions.
|I don't really have an idea as to WHY Rudy is doing what he's doing... maybe it's the anal gland thingy? Have you noticed if the accidents happen when he needs his glands expressed? I wonder if they're related.|
I know that dabbing some white vinegar on the spot he went may detour him from using it a second time. The vinegar smells pretty pungent to a sniffing nose!
|I'm having some of the same issues with Butch. He's 10 months old now and we have never had a dog that has taken this long to totally get it. He knows he should go out and for the most part does pretty good but if we leave the one bedroom open he will go in there and either pee on the bed or poop. Now we have been having more issues, since the bedroom is off limits it's been the kitchen floor, he'll eat, go out and do his job just fine morning and night but sometime during the night after we go to bed he goes again. Same with peeing, he'll go along just fine and then all of a sudden we have an accident. I use vinegar and water now as a deterant but don't know if we're ever going to conquer this one or am I totally missing some of his signals?|
if we leave the one bedroom open he will go in there and either pee on the bed or poop.
If he is pooping/peeing on the bed, I wonder if he's doing it intentionally. My sister had a pit bull mix who was WAY too clever for her own good. My mom was watching her one day and yelled at her for getting into the garbage. Candy then proceeded to take the largest dump in the center of the bed.
Have you noticed if he's upset about something when these things happen? Have you noticed anything specific that happens when these occurrences manifest?
|I don't think he's upset but I do believe at least some of it could be deliberate. I have no idea why and there is no reason that room would be anymore enticing than other rooms. He does have the run of the house except for that room now but am sure if I remove the baby gate he'll get it in a day or two. |
I am trying very hard not to lose patience and he's not been punished for doing it. I always take the poop and toss it out in the poop can so maybe he'll see that he's only suppose to go in his pen.
We've praised him over and over when he does go where he is suppose to.
After meals, mostly supper, he'll go out, go and that's fine. During the night or early morning there is quite a pile so maybe it is he can't hold it but there have been times when it's not all that much.
I do not want to start confining him in only one room with potty breaks being his only out so I guess we'll keep plugging away and see if this resolves itself. I did have one person that raises springer spaniels say that she never figures a dog is trained in the 1st year. Maybe this will be his way.
|At 10 months, he should really have it down by now. Have you consulted your vet for advice? I would think he'd at least wake you to let you know he has to go outside. Sometimes, I really wonder what goes on in a dogs mind...|
|I agree he should have it. He really peed when we first got him. We had him tested for any type of UTI and that was fine. The vet thought it might be hormonal, he was neutered and that didn't really make any difference. |
He is a very smart dog so I know that isn't the problem, will have to see what happens and will talk to the vet again if this doesn't resolve itself.
Thanks for the advice tho.
|Tiggy didnt really start to get it under control till she was 18 months old. |
She knew she should go outside but she couldnt make it happen unless it was the right time and she couldnt hang on for long. So days when I was at work could be a problem.
She's a lot better now but if we change routine. Things like, get home later to feed her or walk her at a different time or change her food then we can have an accident. She hasnt peed in the house in ages but we still get the occasional poop if things change.
I've decided that she has less voluntary control over elimination than our dalmo, he can go whenever I take him out and ask him to. Tiggy just stands and checks out the world then comes back in. And also I think she's a girl who likes her routine or at least her bowel does.
|I think maybe that might be part of Butch's problem. I've caught him in the act of going or getting ready to go and quick get him out but it's like then he can't go. Maybe he's like Tiggy and it only works certain times. We have a routine for feeding and going out that sort of thing but we've never been on a strict schedule with any of our dogs and they managed. Our basset is great, never have an issue with him except on a couple of occasions when he decided he needed to mark. |
I guess we'll just keep working at this. Since he's 10 months I thought we'd start doing a little transistion to adult food and think that might be part of the problem with the pooping several times a day, he had 3 piles last night so back totally to the puppy food and pumpkin. He does seem to try to ask when he needs to go out but guess if we don't see him immediately that's it, no second chances.
Thanks for the information and suggestions, we will get thru this someday.
|Tracie, if he's pooping just in the living room I would gate off the living room. He see's that as where he can go when he's not outside.|
|Repetition is key when housetraining. Go out with your pup and be sure he does his business. Lots of praise when he does. He's not going to understand this if you're sitting on the deck and just letting him do his thing when he's ready.|
If you know he's likely to poop on the floor around 10:00 a.m., be vigilant about getting him outside before that time. Don't come back indoors until the deed is done. He'll eventually get it but at times you think the day will never come.
|We trained both of our pups to pee virtually on command, which is quite handy. From the time we brought our first OES, Quincy, home at 12 weeks old, we would say the word "potty" over and over again while he was in the act of peeing outside. The second he finished, he got a "good boy" and a yummy treat. While he was pooping, we said "doo doo" over and over again, and he got his treat when he finished. Pretty soon, he understood what our verbal commands meant. Then we taught him "speak" on command. So then, when Quincy would come stare at us (the sheepdog stare!), we would ask him "Do you have to go potty? Speak!" or "Do you have to go doo-doo? Speak!" Depending upon which he had to do, he would bark at the appropriate time. If he didn't have to go to the bathroom at all, he would just keep staring silently, until we figured out what he was after. (Oscar is also trained this way, but with sign language.) This really comes in handy when we are leaving for a long period of time. Even if Oscar has peed recently, I can tell him to go "potty" and he will void his bladder. If I tell him to go "doo-doo", and he doesn't have to go, he will simply not bark, and I know I can leave him without any worries of an accident.|
Of course this requires constant vigilance in the beginning of training. Quincy went out on a leash even in our fenced-in backyard until he was four months old and completely reliable. Oscar is always on a leash, due to his deafness.
Oscar and Laurie
|My basset Simon does this too. He barks a "yes" if he has to go out and potty. If he doesn't, he just looks away. |
The rest aren't quite that good. I ask who has to go out potty, and those that do run to the door. If they don't go to the door, they don't have to - and I believe them. It really is a handy system
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