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Good luck on the xrays today  Has she done anything to make you think she may have injured herself? Hope she feels better soon and it's nothing serious. |
| She has missed a couple of turns and splayed herself. She also wrestles really fiercely with Lily our golden. The other hope I have is that it is Pano. Her limp switches between rear legs. No front legs though, so that is less likely. |
Welcome back! I haven't seen you in a while and was wondering what was happening with Maggie. Sorry to hear that she's limping... hopefully it's something simple  |
| Fingers crossed its something easily fixed..... |
| hope it is Pano....Heart was diagnosed with Pano and it cleared up very quickly once we switched her diet.....Keep us posted....prayers are being sent ... |
* Capt. Obvious Danger wrote: Welcome back! I haven't seen you in a while and was wondering what was happening with Maggie. We've been out and about enjoying the summer weather before it gets too hot. I have been taking scuba lessons and we just took Maggie and Lily on their first camping trip to Big Sur. Maggie was limping a little bit before we left, but seemed to rally. She would get a little sore here and there and then go back to normal. Here are pics if anyone is interested: http://gallery.me.com/ginahankerd/100288 |
sheepieshake wrote: :crossed: hope it is Pano....Heart was diagnosed with Pano and it cleared up very quickly once we switched her diet.....Keep us posted....prayers are being sent ...Did she get it in her front legs as well? We could set up a time lapse camera and watch Maggie grow. She has been on adult food since I got her. |
| yep....front left leg one day.....back right leg the next...no rythme or reason..no extra exercise or injury. My vet took out his medical books and showed me pictures of how and why this happens. He did not take any tests...**I don't know if there is a test for Pano** It was his medical opinion, we switched her food and within a week she was fine. She was under 4 months old when this happened. Before I went to the vet, I contacted my breeder to see if there were any other problems with the litter. SHE is the one who thought Pano, so when I went to our vet and mentioned it...he looked VERY impressed!!!! At two years old we tested Hearts hips and elbows and she tested good and normal for both ..knowing this and looking back at the limping proves to me, anyway that is was indeed Pano. Keep us posted...good luck!!! |
| All fingers and paws are crossed here for you Maggie. Hudson and Rudy send sloppy wet puppy kisses to you. Hubby and I send the drier, human variety ones. |
| Yes, Maggie does have a somewhat mild form of hip dysplasia. I looked at the X-rays and the right hip looks almost normal, and you can see how the left hip could be seated a little better. Her sockets look pretty good to me in form. The orth guy is looking at it next week. Here are MY conclusions. I don't believe she is limping from hip dysplasia. I believe that we found that incidentally. I believe she has a soft tissue injury that she keeps exacerbating when she starts to feel better. I am also not convinced that her left hip is not a result of rapid growth leading to her hip being a hair uneven and pulling her a touch out of alignment. The vet was already talking TPO. I am NOT willing to put Maggie through that if I can avoid it. My game plan is as follows: I am going to start her swimming every day in our neighbors pool to strengthen her rear muscles, and I am starting her on Flexicose as well. She is on Deramaxx for two weeks to see if we can resolve the inflammation for good. I have had her blood taken for a baseline so we can watch her liver. I am going back to get her re-xrayed in two months to see if there have been any material changes. Of course if the ortho can explain to me why we shouldn't be at least a little conservative before we start busting her up, I will seriously think about my and Maggies options. What do y'all think? PS: the vet said that the rating she thinks Maggie would currently be given would be 'Fair'. |
| I'd consider getting a second opinion, even if it means just taking the x-rays to another vet to review before you make any kind of decision. It's just safer and you'll feel better knowing that you have a consensus or, even better, that you don't! If she actually is dysplastic, you really should contact the breeder to a) confirm if the parents were tested and b) let the breeder know there might be issues so she may want to alter one or both parents. I know no one would want the breeder to continue to turn out dogs that will suffer from that line. |
| If your vet feels the rating she would get is "fair" then she wouldn't be considered dysplastic. If you send the x-rays in & they come back mildly or moderately dysplastic then she would be considered dysplastic. But if they came back rated "fair" that is a a perfectly acceptable hip rating. Hopefully you will find the cause of the limping & be able to take care of it without any drastic measures. |
| Trust me, NOBODY is slicing and dicing my baby until I have a consensus. As for calling the breeder, I have. Maggie is from more of an oops litter rather than a deliberate breeding. Her parents have not been cleared. Worse than that, her father is from that Wisconsin 'acres' something breeder. However, both of her parents have not displayed any signs of HD, nor have any of her litter mates. I know that doesn’t mean anything. When we drove to Oregon to get Maggie, we were consumed with grief over our loss of Lola. Devastated doesn’t begin to describe it. I would have loved to have gotten a dog from one of our forum breeders, but no one had any females at the time. ANYWAY, I knew full well the chance I was taking and I will deal with the consequences. I am just glad we have her, because we will find a way to take care of her. I would hate for this precious baby to have gone to someone that would have abandoned her or worse neglected her. She is truly special. |
| Exactly. Dogs with fair hips are still considered in the normal range. http://offa.org/hipguide.html The ortho vet will be able to tell you more. Her X-rays won't always tell the whole story IF there actually is any hip dysplasia. An MSU vet emailed me about 4 years ago... she said it depends on how the individual dog reacts to his/her own condition. Panda's got crappy hips and shuffles when she walks, bunny hop runs, but still springs up on hardwood floors or tile and races to the kitchen, front door, shop, etc. She's not yet a candidate for an FHO. A dog with better looking x-rays could be in more debilitated due to pain and have more limited mobility. So it's the x-rays and how the dog is getting along. I agree with Jill. If it is CHD, the breeder will need to reassess their breeding dogs to prevent future pups from suffering. No one wants a dog to be afflicted with this painful condition. Check your contract too to see if they reimburse at least part of the purchase price if the dog has a genetic condition. If surgery is needed, it will at least pay for some of it. Hoping none of this is even necessary to discuss. |
LolasMama wrote: She has missed a couple of turns and splayed herself. She also wrestles really fiercely with Lily our golden. . I dont know if you know about management of Large and Giant breeds while they are developing and in that rapid growth stage. Slipping and sliding on floors, a big no no, over activity charging around silly and getting bumped and wrestled by another dog a no no too. Guaranteed an injury to happen till there growth plates are more developed and there muscled up more with maturity. There is genetic HD there is also an enviromental HD factor, mis-management of a developing puppy. I dont mean that to sound mean and I hope her limping is just that a soft tissue injury. The best you can do for her now is controlled exercise (On a Lead) supervised and no slipping and splaying out on floors, no sharp silly turning and rough play with the golden and rest periods till you work out what is going on with her. You said she has had the limp on and off so good management is needed till she mends or you find out if it is HD or a soft tissue injury. Overexercising, letting them slip and slide, charging up and down stairs, rough housing with more developed big dogs, a fat puppy, etc etc I could go on about that and larger breeds, till they develope more they DO need proper management or you do risk either injury or bad hips till they are more mature. Hence most are x-rayed at 2 years old after the growth plates are closed for a more definate accurate result. So she is young and just good management of her till she is more developed, if it turns out to be a soft tissue injury then rest and proper management there will resolve that issue too.  |
| She is pretty painful right now. I HATE seeing her this way. It also truly makes me question the HD, as it happened very quickly. She has always sort of lumbered along, but she loves to run and wrestle and play. I am very interested to see what the ortho says. We x-rayed her knees and such and they look fine. |
lisaoes wrote: LolasMama wrote: She has missed a couple of turns and splayed herself. She also wrestles really fiercely with Lily our golden. . I dont know if you know about management of Large and Giant breeds while they are developing and in that rapid growth stage. Slipping and sliding on floors, a big no no, over activity charging around silly and getting bumped and wrestled by another dog a no no too. Guaranteed an injury to happen till there growth plates are more developed and there muscled up more with maturity. There is genetic HD there is also an enviromental HD factor, mis-management of a developing puppy. I dont mean that to sound mean and I hope her limping is just that a soft tissue injury. The best you can do for her now is controlled exercise (On a Lead) supervised and no slipping and splaying out on floors, no sharp silly turning and rough play with the golden and rest periods till you work out what is going on with her. You said she has had the limp on and off so good management is needed till she mends or you find out if it is HD or a soft tissue injury. Overexercising, letting them slip and slide, charging up and down stairs, rough housing with more developed big dogs, a fat puppy, etc etc I could go on about that and larger breeds, till they develope more they DO need proper management or you do risk either injury or bad hips till they are more mature. Hence most are x-rayed at 2 years old after the growth plates are closed for a more definate accurate result. So she is young and just good management of her till she is more developed, if it turns out to be a soft tissue injury then rest and proper management there will resolve that issue too. She has always been a very mellow girl. When she wrestles with Lily, it is more of the bitty face manner. She does occasionally get the zoomies where she does laps around the house. I have decided to stop those and when she gets about to that point, put her on a lead and taking her for a walk around the block. We take Lily across to the park to chase the ball, but Maggie has always run around for a little bit and then flopped down to relax in the shade. We do have a lot of tile, but it is pretty textured. Never the less, it can be slippery. I am going to go and get some throw rugs. |
lisaoes wrote: I dont know if you know about management of Large and Giant breeds while they are developing and in that rapid growth stage. I know I don't know enough about it now. At what age do you get to worry less? |
Maggie is back to her old self. She is still on anti-inflammatories, so the real trick is keeping her from dashing about. It's good to see her bouncy again.  |
| Glad to hear the pain is subsiding They feel better on the meds... so they're more active again... so we have to try even harder to limit the activity so they don't further injure or irritate whatever is causing the problem. I'd leash her when outside and allow gentle play in the house until you hear back from the ortho vet on the diagnosis and what to do. |
LolasMama wrote: Maggie is back to her old self. She is still on anti-inflammatories, so the real trick is keeping her from dashing about. It's good to see her bouncy again. Whew!  So happy to hear that your baby is back to her bouncy, happy self!! |
| so glad you updated us.. was wondering how you and the pups were .. the pics are great you fur kids are lucky to have such a good mom.. |
| Thanks everyone. We are endeavoring to keep her quiet. It is going pretty well. I am anxious to hear what the Ortho has to say. |
Sp sorry to hear your baby is in pain  I also ditto the others in believing a rating of "fair" is within the normal range of Hips. My younger female is very active and agile and energetic. She was running with her big brother and just turned the wrong way and hurt her leg. Was limping. They called it something I can't spell or pronounce but for humans its known as the "runners injury". She needed 6 weeks of limited activity. Not complete cage rest but no running, jumping, craziness. She was also on the anti inflam you mention, Dermaxx. She also took a supplement to aid in healing, Glyco_flex 11. She took two a day. She healed nicely and we started the exercising again slowly. Sure enough, she hurt the same leg again. Rest again and now she is on the Glyco-Flex 11 maintenance. One tab, twic a day. She's fine now. Hope you hear good news from the ortho doc. Meantime, I would limit her play with the other dog until she heals completely. You ahve our doggy prayers and kisses for a speedy recovery. |
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