Help with Puppy-Rough Biting (not just Nipping or Mouthing)

HELP!! We need everyone's advice on how best to deal with our adorable 11 wk. old OES puppy, Kolby. He is cute as a button but we are having "biting" (not just nipping or mouthing) issues with him. He will lunge and bite down very hard on hands, feet, legs, knees and has even gone after faces. We have read several books and are trying all the "tricks" - ignoring/turning away from him,putting him in "time out" in his Puppy play pen, offering him a toy to distract, praising him when he is not biting, staying calm and not yelling, spraying feet/clothes with Phooey/Bitter Apple spray, giving him treats when he is playing non-aggressively. Kolby seems to be getting a little better with me (Mom Alpha) but has drawn blood from my hubby! My 14 yr old daughter who is excellent with animals and who took a 2 wk class on Canine Puppy Manners last summer is acting afraid of him now. (I know that is not a good thing.) We are exercising him in our 1 acre yard since he has not yet had his 3rd set of puppy shots. Vet advised me to keep him away from public places (including puppy school) and not to take him on neighborhood walks until shots are complete on June 21!

Is there anything else we can do? We love him very much but my hubby is afraid this is going to turn into true aggression and that's a scary thought!!! Please advise!

Jackie
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Our 15 week old puppy Khloe gets a little carried away with the biting too. What I have noticed with Khloe is that she is trying to tell us something. Most of the time when she gets to nipping we take her outside on a leash and she will do her business. Maybe try to see if that's what Kolby is doing? Just a thought. We are right at the same stage that you are and I have young children too. Mine are 10, 8 and 3. We have to supervise at all times. Hang in there.
please let me assure you it's not aggression. very very very very few puppies are actually aggressive. I worried the same thing about our puppy. OES puppies are a handful. They are a herding breed. THEY REQUIRE HUGE AMOUNTS OF PATIENCE!!!!! I'm not judging.....as I about lost my mind. I was bruised from head to toe. The doctor asked if my husband was abusing me :lol: I said no, it's my puppy!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

BUT, so you know, we LOVE our sheepie. She's a year and a half and we adore her. No biting, no stress just pure LOVE! :clappurple: OES's are the BEST BEST BEST breed! Don't give up. Keep training. You will love her at about a year old :mrgreen:
Dear Jackie,

I'm curious as to how old your puppy was when you brought him home? If he was less than 7 weeks old, he would have missed out on the socialization skills taught to him by his siblings.

I strongly encourage you to invest the time and money in a dog trainer now . . . don't wait. I had one that came to our house for one on one and it was very helpful. We are currently awaiting the arrival of our new puppy at the end of June. I remember when our last one (oes) was a puppy... he was a handful too but in the end turned out to be terrific.

Invest in the trainer . . . . you won't regret it.

Mary
Hi Mary = Kolby came home with us at 8 weeks. He was one of 6 puppies. (2 males and 4 females). I agree about training and actually just spoke with a gal who was referred to me for in-home training. Unfortunately, she does training as a second job and is very busy with first job now :0( She did refer another trainer to me.
As soon as he gets his last set of shots, I will enroll him in our puppy school. But do agree, I should dp in home training in the meantime. Thanks for the great advice!

Jackie
Hi Jackie . . . it's me, maryd again . . . I wasn't logged in when I posted my first response.
I know you said you've read several books . . . . if you haven't already, I highly recommend "The Monks of New Skete ... The Art of Raising a Puppy". It's really good. Fortunately, my local library had a copy.

Good Luck

Mary
You're doing all the right stuff, now all you can do is be consistent and as patient as you can be-- which is so hard when you're getting munched on. My second boy was the biter and I thought it would never end. He would bite my hands while I typed and he always found the spot right between the bones so it killlllled. He caught my nose and drew blood and I think it was two months before I stopped having bruises all over my arms. We kept doing all the things we were supposed to do and one day it finally clicked and there was no more biting. It felt like forever until that point, though. He was such an evil little puppy. Now he's almost two and I still call him the evil puppy but, really he grew into a beautiful, super smart dog that couldn't be more loving. It'll happen for you, too. I know it feels like forever away now but keep being diligent and it'll get better.

Good luck!

<A descriptive before and after pictorial from our experience>

He was so evil that he had the devil in his eyes here (well, maybe Photoshop helped a little ;))

Image

And less than 8 months later, he was giving sweet kisses:

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Your baby at that age is teething too, so you are doing the right things, plenty to chew on at the moment and also re-directing the biting onto appropriate chew toys or bones, hard dog bikkys etc. If it gets bad then time out with lots of things to chew on. Once the permanent teeth come through life with your lil crunching monster will settle down. But boundaries have to be set now so it does not become the norm.

Years ago I had a sheepie at that stage that completely nearly demolished my laundry, washing machine, dry wall, door frame so if you have a crate time out in that when real nippy is better. :wink:
Our boy is 1yr and 2 months old. He was a terrible biter. I would go to work with bruises all over my arms. People always joke about what really was going on. He would consistantly go after my husbands face just lunge at it. I still say I would never get another puppy it was so trying. Now the biting is practically gone, he still rough houses with my husband but we are working on that. Lots of bully sticks, and all kinds of kong toys helped us. Hang in there it really does get better. Now he is a sweetie and we love him so very much. He such a smart boy.

Lisa and Frankie
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