Ketamine with OES
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| Can you post the link to the other info or copy ad paste it so that it's all together? |
| I don't know how. I just searched ketamine on oes.org and clicked and sent Madeline the info. |
| Yes I read about Ketamine right after the dog food recalls. It can kill OES. Be very very careful. Isn't this the same as Vit K ? If so that is why I will not buy Blue Buffalo dog food. I read a sheepie eating Blue Buffalo and had to be rushed to the ER and the culprit was Vit K. Waiting for responses from our informative listers. |
gumbo41 wrote: Yes I read about Ketamine right after the dog food recalls. It can kill OES. Be very very careful. Isn't this the same as Vit K ? Robin, ketamine is a drug, not a vitamin, so should be no connection with dog food, therefore no need to panic on that count  Mary, it doesn't affect all OES that way, but my own vet changed her protocols because of the bad reaction my Mad had to it. Since she, Madeline and I are all on the health & research committee together, maybe Madeline or I should just ask our chair to put it on the agenda for our next meeting which should be coming up shortly anyway. There's no need to panic about it, but it is something that's good to know. And FWIW it's most likely not connected to the MDR1 mutation. Or at least Mad came back normal/normal on that count. So perhaps something else going on. So glad they caught it. Same thing with Mad. With her it happened during routine OFA x-rays. Oh my god, scary, as is bloat. Thank god that went OK too. Kristine |
| Good info Kristine and thank ou for replying. However the Vit.K has caused a severe problem in an OES. What is it called in dry dog food? |
| Vit K in dog foods is called Menadione. Inexpensive way to add Vit K to dry dog food. Can interfer with blood clotting. |
gumbo41 wrote: Good info Kristine and thank ou for replying. However the Vit.K has caused a severe problem in an OES. What is it called in dry dog food? Good informatin, Robin, I believe vitamin K is given as an antidote if you will after a dog ingests rat poison (to counter the internal hemorraghing and help the dog's blood clot, yes?) But what happens if they ingest too much? Thanks! Kristine |
| Hmm I would have to find the article that was posted on the OES-L a couple of years ago. I remeber buying a bag of Blue Buffalo the very same day that I had read this post. I returned the food to Petsmart for a refund and never looked back at Blue Buffalo,even with the reps trying to convince me it is a good food. |
| ketamine = diazepam = valium Commonly used as a preanesthetic or for sedation purposes. Vit K causes clotting, and is used as an anecdote most often. Used for too high of protimes in humans on coumadin (warfarin), which is also a common active ingredient in mouse/rat poisons. We had a minpin eat a poisoned mouse, who got Vit K as a treatment. Worked just as well as my human patients. I've never used Blue Buffalo, so I'm not familiar w/ their ingredient list or rationale for their ingredients. |
| I have been reading a ton of info today and have found that not only Blue Buffalo but other foods and biscuits contain Menotoine. I am going to definitely from here on out double check what my babies are being fed. I was shocked to read that even some Natural foods contain Menotoine/Vit K. I do hope Kristine chimes in again on this thread. Robin |
| I believe the confusion is that at some point ketamine was called vitamin k by the people using it or selling it illegally. A few years ago (maybe still?) there was a market for it with the drug and rave crowds. There had been several (across the country) reports of vets being broken into and ketamine stolen. If I remember correctly. Shellie |
Shellie wrote: I believe the confusion is that at some point ketamine was called vitamin k by the people using it or selling it illegally. A few years ago (maybe still?) there was a market for it with the drug and rave crowds. There had been several (across the country) reports of vets being broken into and ketamine stolen. If I remember correctly. Shellie Yes - it is a controlled substance and addictive - so people may find a vet's office easier to steal from than a pharmacy.  |
Kristine, Madeline is going to have the vet at our national. He is going to speak about this case. He was going to speak of bloat and now he will discuss the drugs issues too. Luckily the dog affected will be there to show how well he came thru.  |
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