HELP! He pees anywhere, anytime!
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| I'm probably the last person who should offer advice as I have horrible luck in the housetraining department. I have 2 oes who are 15 months and 9 months old and neither are reliable when it comes to this. If I watch them like a hawk, take them out on a very strict routine, and stick with it, we can avoid most accidents.
With my first oes, she was still going wherever and whenever at 15 months old too, and at that point I had had enough and decided to keep her outside at all time during the day and in the house in her crate at night. I did this for about a month, and when the colder weather came she came in the house again as my baby girl and there were NO MORE ACCIDENTS. I didn't like doing it, oes are so family oriented and really want and need to be with their people, however I'm glad it worked out for us because then I could enjoy my girls companionship again. I won't do that with my two oes I have now, for several reasons, there have to be other ways to do this. I know most people would say totally start over as if it was a puppy and do crate training. Basically feed and water the dog on a schedule, take the dog out every two hours, keep the dog in the crate at any time you cannot supervise completely, and if you take the dog out and it does not go, put it back in the crate immediately and try again in 30 minutes. I know that is what is recommended by almost everyone, but I have no idea if it works. It didn't really for me... The weak bladder thing is usually only female dogs who have been spayed. Not males, or intact females. If your vet has determined it is not a bladder or urinary tract infection, and not kidney stones or crystals, not diabetes etc then I would suggest you begin all over again with crate training, restricted food and water schedule, outside every two hours, praise for going outside, and some will say ignore accidents, some say scold. I say scold. They know it's theirs, and they need to know they can't leave it in the house. JMO though. Some dogs will not pee outside if someone is watching because they have been scolded for peeing in the house, and then they think it is bad to pee, with no connection in their minds as to where to pee. Then they will go "whenever, wherever" as long as no one is watching. I wish you and your dog the best of luck in this, and a big welcome to the forum!  You will find this site extremely helpful, and fun, I'm sure.
Please keep trying, it sounds like you really love this dog and I would hate to see you lose each other. Also, please keep us posted as to his progress! |
Thanks for all your advice. I will try again. I guess I was just spoiled with my lab - he was trained by the time he was two months old. He has only had 1 accident in 6 years and that was because he got a belly ache. I know each breed and dog is different. My husband is really putting the pressure on me about this but I can't give in - Charlie and my lab are my babies. Thanks again!  |
| In addition, take him to one area outside for potty business.
Use a "potty mantra" as our trainer called it. Keep saying your command until he voids. Then give lavish praise. Reward with a high powered treat (used only for going to the bathroom outside). Reward right after he is finished. Make it more attractive to tend to business outside! Good luck. Willowsprite has given the best advise. I agree you need to correct Charlie indoors. It may take a while, but you need to be consistant in your approach. Our potty manta is "gents". our sheepie is asked "Want to go to the gents?" We have it down to a science. He barks and gives a half hop... And outside we go!!! He just turned 11 months and it works for us ! ( He loves going out to the "gents", its sounds elegant and we have accomplished our mission !) |
| Oh! Thank you for reminding me zahra! Also, most advise to keep the dog on a leash and stand out with the dog and encourage him to go pee or poop with whatever word you choose to associate with those things, and then praise profusely in a high pitched happy voice using Good Pee! or whatever word you want.....
If you are not there when it happens you can't priase at the right time and the dog may never get it. |
| Just to add to what others have said, once I had Clyde going well on the leash, I switched to a retractable leash so he got used to going out by himself. Now I just stand at the door holding the leash, he walks out to his spot, I say "outside", he goes and comes right back. AT least now I don't have to put on shoes and a coat! My next step is to do it without the leash but I'm not sure he's ready yet. |
| I'm at the stage of taking my puppy every few hours on a leash outside (need my coat at night!), he's 11 weeks old. I'm doing exactly what you've all said to do, I say "find a spot" and he does his thing, then I praise. It's going just great, I'm wondering when do I give him more freedom to go on his own? |
| hi all! We had the same problem with Mopsey! and took the easy way out:installed a doggy door. Now she goes out when she needs to, and when her bladder got mature, we close the doggy door at night and she is fine. Maybe you can try that? |
| Not for quite some time yet personss.... it's great that training is going so well with an 11 week old, but you are mostly training yourself at this point to know the dogs routine, and helping to teach the pup in the best way possible, positive reinforcement, by not allowing any accidents and therefore scolding to occur.
They don't develop the muscle control until about 16 weeks of age... but you've got a great head start! |
| Hi,
Sorry to hear you're having so much troubles. Here's some possible suggestions. I mentioned on a past post that dogs get signals from the urine of other dogs.From a dogs point of view..Hmmm someone passed here recently and they are an intact male, this one was still a pup and passed here aprox 2 days ago, oh boy a unspayed female!!! They will then 99% of the time pee on top of the urine of other dogs to leave their own signal. A lot of animals do this in the wild, marking their territory and leaving signals for others to read. Dogs may not feel as territorial in a neighborhood but even a quick walk around the block should empty out a dogs bladder - just have the leash slack enough for them to do it. It's also unusual that an animal soils their own living quarters and it could also be a dominance thing between Charlie and the lab that you may be missing. You didn't mention that you go outside with Charlie or if you just open the door and let him out. I've have four of this breed and three of other breeds and here's what worked for me. Although really bothersome and time consuming..each time a dog was brought into my home I would go out with them every single time if I suspected they needed to urinate...day and night. When Merlin was a pup I picked him up and took him out every couple hours even in the wee hours of the morning. When Panda came into my home , at almost 4 he had never lived in a house and so thus was not trained. Although exhausting, I slept in the same room as him for the first couple weeks and would immediately take him outside if I saw him pacing. I could also curb and give instant feedback on things he was supposed to do or correct him on things he wasn't. The first time he was in my home he went sorta crazy...grabbing sweaters off the back of chairs, grabbing CD's, just about anything there was around. Again, like I've mentioned time consuming but I'm a little smarter with each dog. I've realized although exhausting, the more input I put in when a dog comes into my home the more peaceful my life will be for the next 10 years. It's worth the initial 2-3 wks of pure 'ell at the beginning. Happily Panda has only had 2 accidents in 10 months and I even leave all 3 of my dogs uncrated for a couple hours I go to work. I do race home at lunch to let them in/out and check up on things. Just make sure that every accident site is thouroughly cleaned so Charlie doesn't continue going in the same spots. You may also sop up the urine the next time with a newspaper and then place the newspaper outside where you want him to go. I actually have trained all three of mine to go to "Pooh Corner" (made a wooden sign and everything..ha ha) to a spot in my yard ..using the newspaper method. So in a nutshell here goes: Sop up urine with newspaper Place newspaper in the yard where you want Charlie to go Go outside with him every single time, don't just open the door and expect him to know. Walk over with him to the newspaper with the scent on it. Use one word consistently as a cue of what you want him to do. LOTS AND LOTS OF PRAISE WHEN HE DOES WHAT YOU WANT! Perhaps give him a treat when he does go, Charlie will eventually get the idea. Do this consistently every single morning as soon as he gets up and again when he drinks from his water bowl. Be viligant this will impact your life for the next 10--12 years and could mean the difference if he stays in your home. It's worth the horrible first 2 wks that you'll have to do this. :O) That means night and day, rain or shine. Watch for cues of what he does when he has to go and you will recognize the signs to prevent furture accidents..most dogs do the search and pace kinda walk. Each dog does his own little routine - you'll be able to recognize Charlie's. Good Luck! Marianne and the boys |
Sounds great Marianne...... do you want to retrain mine for a couple of weeks?  |
| Thanks willowsprite for your feedback on some of my questions, it really is a support to be able to turn to this website, I'm finding lots of info, and so nice to see so many people who care so much about animals and their well-being! |
| I am going to chime in here, not because I have anything very different
to add, but for some reason I have had excellent luck with house training. First, you have some good advice so far. My rules for house training are as follows. I am assuming you are starting over from square one. 1 - prevent accidents at all costs -especially at first. You will get a better foundation if there are no recent scoldings and only positive reinforcement for good potties. 2 - take the dog out frequently, especially after meals and immediately after waking. I find these are the 'given' potties and are great for starting the day clean and with praise for doing it right. 3 - I have never used a crate - if you do there are a zillion articles on potty stuff - read all you can find. You will soon notice many cover the same issues repeatedly with similar and same solutions. Read all you can. 4 - keep an eye glued to your dog outside to observe his behavior when searching for a spot - really watch him and get to know exactly the process he goes through, postures, patterns etc. and apply this to inside. You are going to have to watch this dog extremely closely for several days to catch him before the actual accident starts. I know this step is the hardest, but IMO it is the most important. It really can be time consuming to house train, but in a short time it will have been well worth it, I promise. 5 - do use praise when he does it outside. maybe even a treat. 6 - since your dog is older and there is another one in the house, you may want to take notes. I know that sounds silly, but there may be something going on that our human minds wouldn't see as a cause. There may be a trigger or something going on that will be easier to see a pattern in in writing. Also, I may have missed it, but be sure to clean any area the scent may be on -like on the carpet. Use an ensyme type cleaner, I have had great success with nature's miracle. I suggest the largest size - this stuff comes in really handy! I think the longer you can keep the spot damp with it, the better it works. I don't mean keep it sopping wet, just damp. Make sure you work it in to reach all affected areas or the work you do will be for nothing. Hope this helps a little. Shellie (in PA) |
| Marianne- I loooove the "pooh corner" idea!!! I'm packagin that one away for when mine arrives. It would be so nice to have only one area in the yard to clean up- especially as I'd like to have some form of garden in our brand new house (when it finally gets built!) What a great idea Certainly well worht the effort of training!
Karen |
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