Still not housetrained fully--behavioral?

My parents' sheepie is almost 2 (I think in Feb/March she'll be 2). She's a girl, has been spayed at around 6 months I believe.

And she's still not housetrained. She can go all night from when she's put into her crate to the morning no problem, so it doesn't seem to be a 'need' thing.

My parents still have to keep her in the tiled kitchen when they can't watch her closely b/c without warning, and even after she's been outside and they've seen her go, she'll pee in the house.

Any suggestions? They crate her at night, but keep her in the kitchen during the day if they're gone, but my dad has a flexible work schedule so he's home a lot so she's typically not left alone for too long...
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How frustrating. My trainer recommended feeding the dog anyplace it chooses to relieve himself in the house. She also said that the dog needs to understand that all parts of the house are for living and so to make a point of spending time with the dog in all areas instead of blocking off portions where the dog never goes because some dogs will treat those unused portions as being like the outdoors. I hope that helps. . .
I can't help but wanted to say Yuki was the same way, so hopefully their dog has the same outcome ...which is a dog who can totally be trusted now.

Most of my posts when she was a puppy dealt with the same thing. Even at 1, she was NOT potty trained yet I was doing ALL the right things combined with staying at home 24-7, so I was there if she made a mistake. At night, she could hold it for 10 hrs, so it was very confusing as to why she needed to pee almost every 2 hrs during the day or she would go inside! I literally was losing my mind. Somewhere around a 1yr she started to hold it for the long periods at night but it wasn't until 1.5yrs ...she stopped during her random pees during the day (a dog that always had a small confined space, etc ).

So all I'm saying is hopefully their dog will get better on her own as well with their consistency despite her being a few months older. Mine had 0 medical problems and we saw several vets.

Hopefully someone has an answer that can work more immediately for y'all.
My OES used to go ocassionally in the house, but never did it in his cage where he spends all night - granted he wasn't as old as yours. So we regularly took him outside into the back garden / yard every 2 - 3 hours where he did his business, we rewarded him with a treat, and eventually he stopped doing it indoors - he's been great for ages. But we continue to still take him outside to do his thing every 2 - 3 hours.

In addition to this he gets walked 3 times per day.

I think you just have to persevere with the old reward for doing good - eventually they catch on.

Nik :)
I had the same experience as Nik.

At 1 year old Tiggy regressed and I had to go right back to the basics of potty training. Outside with her every couple of hours and ask her to pee. Then wait around till she did, if she did, and treat and praise lots.

I also got some urine off and completely washed the kitchen tiles to get ride of any residual urine smell. But it was more the training that did the trick as I'd done the urine off thing before.
If she is not peeing in the house when someone is there and in view of her and only doing it when alone, then sounds like Behavioural, seperation aniexty would be my guess.

Very hard to break that, maybe going right back to basics with her, if have to go out, maybe crate her in the Kitchen, no fuss on leaving and when returning no fuss with her on arrival home. If crate is dry when they return after awhile they can leave her in that area, leaving the crate door open for her and just step by step again till they can go out and return to a dry situation. :wink:
Does she know how to tell someone when she needs to go out? I had that problem once a long time ago. I taught the dog to bark at me to let me know, by being a crazy person. Jumping up and down and yelling "do you need to go outside" and when the dog barked thats when I let them out.

I've since got older and lazier and now I use bells. Works for me and the dogs. Its a lot quieter too.
I agree with Val, restricting her to one area can make her feel like the rest of the house is like outside and, therefore, a free-for-all for peeing. Maybe she's just marking a little on little visited places?
ButtersStotch wrote:
I agree with Val, restricting her to one area can make her feel like the rest of the house is like outside and, therefore, a free-for-all for peeing. Maybe she's just marking a little on little visited places?


I don't think that's the case, though. I mean, aside from when no one is home, she's allowed in all the other parts of the house, AND she pees in the kitchen too, which would be 'inside' for her.

And she doesn't just do it while alone. I was talking to my mom on the phone the other day and she broke off mid-sentence and said darn dog just peed in the kitchen, and it's like a lake!

And I was talking to my dad last night and said something like, so Abby still isn't housetrained and he said, Oh, she basically is. She's been really good lately. And I said, well what about the other day when I was talking to mom and Abby peed then. He said, oh, well, yeah, she does that sometimes.

Thanks for the suggestions. I know my parents are doing the 'right' things and I hope she just gets it one day. It took Barney a long time before he got it, but then he can go days without peeing (slight exaggeration)
Did you say before that she was checked for a UTI? That can definitely make her go immediately after going. Clyde pees in the house when he has a UTI. It's his most obvious symptom!
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