The only thing I don't like about pitbulls...
Not just the jerks who beat their dogs - that definitly goes without saying. But goodness! I've been on message boards with PBT owners before - and while not all of them are like this (remember I said that lol) - a few that I've talked to are quite infuriating! They are so quick to attack any pitbull owner and call them irrisponsible! I'm talking about people who really love their dogs - play with them - socialize them - and something just happens. Doesn't everyone have one of those moments? Their dog gets a little irritated and snaps? Suddenly - they are terrible PBT owners and shouldn't have the privilage of owning one. These dogs are made to fight! They are made to bite down and hang on! It's like how sheepies are made to herd... that's just what they do! So should the people who slip up be crusified? Unless they were beating the dog with a stick, neglecting it or starving it to death then I don't think so! On a PBT site - someone even said that if someone's dog is a little off (might be considered mean spirited) - that for the good of them all - they should just be put to sleep! (from a PBT owner here!) At that point I just erased that site from my favorites after initially thinking it was very informative page. I'm sorry for being so pasionate about this - but it just really upsets me that stuff like this would be said to other dog owners. I could only imagine what it would be like if we were on here and attacked someone who made a mistake or who's dog bit someone or nipped on another pup and told them to have their dog euthanized for the good of all sheepies. 
I just want to say at the end that not all pit bull owners are like this - and there are many nice people who own them. I just don't understand how some people who claim that they love the breed could say such things about them. Has anyone else seen anything like this as well? |
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| I'm familiar with pit bulls because we used to live across from a guy that had about 3 or 4 of them. However, he trained them to be aggressive. They would chase kids up and down the street. Once they even chased some teenagers onto the hood of one of our cars. o_O
I myself never had any personal experiences with them but I saw how they were trained to be this way. From what I know, many of these "Pit Bull" type breeds are very gentle dogs but get bad reputations from those that train them to fight and be aggressive towards people and other dogs. And sure, some of them may bite eventually but it doesn't mean you should just euthanize the dog because of what they were originally meant to do. As far as being bitten, I've been bitten twice from a German Shepherd we used to have a few years ago. He was my dad's dog and *very* protective of him. Needless to say, my dad and I were arguing and the dog thought I was trying to hurt my dad. Not too long after he was put to sleep because of his behavioral problems. We would have liked him to find a new home but the shelter deemed him "too aggressive" to be placed with another family and put him to sleep. It's interesting how Pit Bulls get the bad rep when other dogs that were bred for similar purposes do not. I read that Chinese Sharpei's were originally fighting dogs, and the wrinkles were there so other dogs could hold onto them or something. x_X I've never had a Sharpei but are they known for being aggressive? |
| You guys keep saying that a pit bull that bites is just doing what they are bred to do. This is wrong. Pit bulls were brettle other animals, from Bears to rats. They are NOT to EVER bite. The biters were killed in the old days, this is why they are so good with people today. If a pit bull bites it should be put down.
I have a pit bull and if she even growled at someone, unless I was being attacked, I would put her down that day. I love her but Pit bulls should not bite. She hates other animals, I do not fault her for that. But loves people. |
| The only way to correct temperment in bloodlines is to not use ANY dog who has temperment issues for breeding. Breeders of any breed MUST spay or neuter any dog who shows these problems, or health problems, if any breed is to survive. |
| My brother's puppy just gave a really good bite to my son over the weekend, so I don't have a very good opinion of them right now! LOL He's just a baby though (only 4 months) and Brandon went to grab a toy out of his mouth. Doesn't excuse what the dog did, but he just didn't bite to bite...and my brother punished the dog by taking away the toy and putting him in his outside kennel.
However, when I was a groomer, we had a few come in for baths and they were very sweet and lovable. I have seen sweet animals from mean breeds (pits, chows) and vicious animals from "sweet" breeds (poodles, maltese, goldens and labs even). I had one poodle bite me all the way through my finger once, and I shaved a chow that licked my hand the entire time. I joked that he was tasting me to see if the bite was worth it.  I'm using chows, because they're usually "one owner" dogs and they don't like being away from owners. I had two growing up, and I love the breed, but they're not the best for groomers! LOL I honestly think a lot has the do with how the puppies are raised. |
| I guess dogs will be as good or bad as the owners want them to be. You really cannot say a breed is "mean" by itself, because it depends on how you raise your doggie.
I've never met a pitbull, but I've bet dobermans that were the sweetest thing, and poodles that the first thing they did ws bite my hand. We should judge both the person and the dog was raised by them and not just the breed. |
| As many of my post have said Im not a pit fan,growing up in Miami Ive had my share of run ins w/ the breed.Now that im older and I have seen alot i know that the breed itself isnt the problem,it is us humanes over time who have beaten the pit down to be a lean mean fighting machine w/ no emotions,living on little food enough to get by til the next fight.My heart goes out to the pits who are beaten,negelted,and thrown out to die.I feel most ppl say they dont like pits,but actually it is the fear of how powerful they truely are.Those jaws clamp down and theres only 1way to get them off of someone or something,and thats to break their jaw.Just like the person who runs the High desert rescue,i do agree w/ that pits can be loving,friendly,and awesome family dogs,but the sad fact is there are more pits who have ben trained to fight,than being just a family dog.Anything w/ a mouth will and can bite,the scarey thing is having to break a jaw to get a pit off of your dog or child or spouse,When you hear about a collie,OES,shepard,or any other breed biting someone "usually" it ends there,ex-Jagger bit my daughter this week end,and now she has a yucky gash in her arm.next ex-My neighbors pit bite my daughter this week end,his jaw locked on her and we had to call the police to break his jaw off of her arm now shes in the hospital,and the dog was put to sleep.I know this is an extreme BUT it is what happens and this is where the fear is.I love ALL breeds,but honestly i do have a fear of pits,due to their power and their locking jaws. |
| Hi,
As of Friday our city has now banned pit bulls from appearing in public without a muzzle and all owners must prove their dogs have been spayed or neutered. Not sure if this still allows breeders to breed or not. I live on the West Coast of Canada and this is now the second city I believe to have just declared this law. I think Toronto is the other city. Those against it claim that other breeds will just follow suit to take the place of Pitts, like Mastiffs or the Casarios (?) from Brazil. Remember when Dobermans had this reputation previously? I have mixed feelings regarding targeting one breed. Our city, tho very beautiful and often listed as one of the top 10 best places to live in the world according to the UN. It also has it's seedier side as it's a port city and has a lot of drug trafficing. Growops (Marijuana houses) are really common and the dog of choice is Pitts to guard these places. Unfortunately our news is full of stories of dogs that have attacked those arresting the people in the house. There is also many stories surfacing of these dogs being used for dog fights in many underground places. All heartbreaking stories. I would only agree with this new law if it prevented these poor dogs from living a life of misery - no dog deserves that. Imagine for a moment, if we as Sheepie owners were told that from now on all our dogs had to be muzzled in public or neutered or spayed. How would we feel? Many of us would argue that our dogs were raised with our children and don't have a mean bone in their body. It's the same I imagine for the responsible Pitt owners whom now have to deal with this. On my lunchbreak I drive by two homes daily with Pitts on top of their dog houses enclosed in large cages (even covered on the top.) I can only imagine if those dogs ever got loose. I can't believe I'm saying this but it crosses my mind that their life is so miserable that death would be a reprieve for those two. Our humane society has a policy that dogs that recieve food and water are not inhumanely treated and will not seize them if they are tied or kept in cages. The Animal Advocates of BC have fought the Humane Society on this issue for years, claiming it is inhumane. For those of you that wish to see a horrific vid (okay not many) but brings this close to home log on http://www.animaladvocates.com It shows many dogs tied to chains for the duration of their lives, simply because they are used as guard dogs. I feel sorry for this breed of dog , those that are responsible owners that have them and love them and those many that are kept simply for their reputation. Marianne and the boys |
| . Quote: Those jaws clamp down and theres only 1way to get them off of someone or something,and thats to break their jaw.
Actually the PSI of a pit bulls jaw is no greater than other breeds. Their jawhe same, more muscle. They can not lock their jaws.  |
| Ok, I've been holding my breath as this thread has progressed for fear of hurt feelings, flames, anger. Nothing. Nothing!
I'm so proud of everyone here, I'm bursting at the seams! I think we're all in agreement that there are some dangerous dogs, (as opposed to entire breeds), that these dogs occur in most breeds, and that the biggest problem is the human activity around them in their training and in their breeding practices. We don't have agreement on whether particular breeds are more prone to bad behavior, whether innate or due to current breeding activities. I don't think agreement on this issue is even possible. People who are afraid of a certain breed won't be conviced otherwise, and people who love a certain breed won't be convinced otherwise. Stalemate. I'm not sure that a consensus was reached on whether breed ban/muzzle laws were a bad thing, but I don't think I saw any arguments supporting it. So let's leave the pit bull issue where it is, for the sake of harmony... we are, after all, an OES site. If we want to discuss the issue of breed ban/muzzle laws, let's start another thread about them specifically, but make them generalized to no specific breed.
<center>Again, thanks to everyone!</center> |
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