Tantrums!

Hello All!

I'm new to the forum and also with being a OES owner. Any suggestions on what I should change in my behavior or my dog's is completely welcome. First, a quick history - Chauncey is a rescued 1 year old OES male. We've had him for about a week and a half. He shows dominant behavior: bullying us to play with him by pushing his milkbone toy into our laps, pushing out of the door first, jumping and biting. We try to counteract his bullying with the toy by ignoring him - which throws him into this attention-seeking tantrum. He grabs for my stuffed dog, shakes it and scoots it into the wall with his hind legs and then looks at us to see if we are watching.
I've noticed that most of his fits are in the late afternoon and night, so I jogged with him this morning and tried to play with him. As far as the playing it wasn't on his terms so he didn't seem to enjoy it. :roll: Is there any light at the end of the tunnel? Do I need to continue the ignoring?
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You are right, that's dominant. For the grabbing, shaking, pushing stuffie into the wall......get up, go over to him, stand up straight and tell him No and stand there until his ears relax and he becomes submissive. No more words, go back and sit down. You have to be the boss in a calm voice, never allowing him to get away with bad things, just be "large and in charge" with a calm but firm voice. If you need to add a hand clap, finger snap and a hiss, so be it. Just don't yell because that's a human bark and he will think barking is permitted. (OK, I've told them off with a human bark and they were so surprised they backed down quickly)

If you suspect he is just looking for attention, make him earn it. Some sits, stays, downs or whatever you are working on........reward with the lovin' he's looking for. Whatever he gets he earns by pleasing you.

If he knows you are in charge in your calm manner, he will mimic it (in time :wink: )

Lots of exercise and "work" (commands) help inforce who's leader.
We've been growling at him (although me and my husband feel ridiculous) and it stuns him enough for him to stop everything he's doing and just stare at us with his head cocked. :lol: Thanks for your reply - we'll see if he throws another tantrum tonight.
Perhaps some training to do some "tricks" would help so that when a tantrum was starting his attention could be redirected into a learned (and acceptable!) behavior.

Is he food motivated? Does he go crazy for treats, beg at the table? If he begs at the table, does he throw one of these "tantrums" or does he just sit and stare or does he keep pushing his nose onto the table?

Does he bite?
To be honest I think almost everyone goes through this around that age. Rufus used to drive us mad with his behaviour, we did the things suggested but he would just bounce right back. It takes a while and persistence in a big way on your part, but it will work. Be prepared for it to take a month... maybe more... but just keep going with the calm authority and eventually he will settle down.
SheepieBoss wrote:
You are right, that's dominant. For the grabbing, shaking, pushing stuffie into the wall......get up, go over to him, stand up straight and tell him No and stand there until his ears relax and he becomes submissive. No more words, go back and sit down. You have to be the boss in a calm voice, never allowing him to get away with bad things, just be "large and in charge" with a calm but firm voice. If you need to add a hand clap, finger snap and a hiss, so be it. Just don't yell because that's a human bark and he will think barking is permitted. (OK, I've told them off with a human bark and they were so surprised they backed down quickly)

If you suspect he is just looking for attention, make him earn it. Some sits, stays, downs or whatever you are working on........reward with the lovin' he's looking for. Whatever he gets he earns by pleasing you.

If he knows you are in charge in your calm manner, he will mimic it (in time :wink: )

Lots of exercise and "work" (commands) help inforce who's leader.


This is exactly right. Aside from the fact that he's a big adolescent, he's new to your home or 'pack' if you prefer, so he's testing his boundaries. He's a big clumsy ball of energy at this point and it's very important that he knows what your expectations are. Stay calm, clear and very consistent - All family members should be on the same page, so he doesn't play one human against the other (as in "well, mom won't let me do this but dad will, so I'll go over to him"). It's a journey, but patience and calm always wins the day. Just when you think it's hopeless, BOING! it all comes together. Those are the moments that make it all worthwhile. :D
Ron wrote:
Perhaps some training to do some "tricks" would help so that when a tantrum was starting his attention could be redirected into a learned (and acceptable!) behavior.

Is he food motivated? Does he go crazy for treats, beg at the table? If he begs at the table, does he throw one of these "tantrums" or does he just sit and stare or does he keep pushing his nose onto the table?

Does he bite?



He's actually very praise motivated. I learned that after making a huge deal out of him sitting when told to. So he really doesn't have to have treats. When treats are involved it actually distracts him.
When we eat our food by sitting on the couch, he does come up and stare at us - but that's when we put up a hand and say no. Once me and my husband do that, he lays down.
We're actually working on the dominance thing by pretending we are eating his food first before allowing him to eat to see if we see a calming in his behavior overall.
He does bite when he's being playful - I've decided to go the route of immediately when he bites - walking to a room and closing the door. It seems to force the message, "playtime is officially over".
Hint of Mischief wrote:
To be honest I think almost everyone goes through this around that age. Rufus used to drive us mad with his behaviour, we did the things suggested but he would just bounce right back. It takes a while and persistence in a big way on your part, but it will work. Be prepared for it to take a month... maybe more... but just keep going with the calm authority and eventually he will settle down.


Yes, I had a funny feeling it would take a while. We are going to try our best to get through this stage - because we definitely don't want him to be placed in a different home... again.
Hi & welcome, I have a 4 year old Chauncey :D
I really don't have any words of wisdom beyond what has been given.
He will get better it will just take lots of time and patience....did I mention patience :roll:
As for being hyper in the evenings, my Chauncey did the same thing, even with lots of play. Other members called it FRAP, and I can't believe I don't remember what that stands for, can anyone help me out?
Chauncey wrote:
Hi & welcome, I have a 4 year old Chauncey :D
I really don't have any words of wisdom beyond what has been given.
He will get better it will just take lots of time and patience....did I mention patience :roll:
As for being hyper in the evenings, my Chauncey did the same thing, even with lots of play. Other members called it FRAP, and I can't believe I don't remember what that stands for, can anyone help me out?




Awww - another Chauncey - Mine is named after Chauncey Billups, the basketball player. 8) I looked up FRAP, it's Frenetic Random Acts of Play (or Frantic Running And Playing). He was actually better with the playfulness tonight, although he still actively paces around the house in watchdog mode until he's satisfied and flops down. :)
nightbreaker wrote:
Ron wrote:
Perhaps some training to do some "tricks" would help so that when a tantrum was starting his attention could be redirected into a learned (and acceptable!) behavior.

Is he food motivated? Does he go crazy for treats, beg at the table? If he begs at the table, does he throw one of these "tantrums" or does he just sit and stare or does he keep pushing his nose onto the table?

Does he bite?



He's actually very praise motivated. I learned that after making a huge deal out of him sitting when told to. So he really doesn't have to have treats. When treats are involved it actually distracts him.
When we eat our food by sitting on the couch, he does come up and stare at us - but that's when we put up a hand and say no. Once me and my husband do that, he lays down.
We're actually working on the dominance thing by pretending we are eating his food first before allowing him to eat to see if we see a calming in his behavior overall.
He does bite when he's being playful - I've decided to go the route of immediately when he bites - walking to a room and closing the door. It seems to force the message, "playtime is officially over".


Good advice but, I would worry about putting him up in that manner.
He may get seperation anxiety and that is certainly a pain in the bum!

I would think more on the line of a "sit/stay" approach to let him
know you are the "top dog"

This is all my thoughts but, you do not have to pretend to eat his food,
eat your own.
Even if you eat a cracker, do it as you are preparing his food.
As he has to wait for you to give it to him...
I suggest obedience training...honestly this coming from an OES owner
that had a huge "biter" that is now a very well known Murphy!
I honestly do not think our boy would have ever come around without the
training!
Please feel free to contact me with any specific questions...
or anybody here as there is a lot of knowledge in the memebers!!
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Awww - another Chauncey - Mine is named after Chauncey Billups, the basketball player. 8) I looked up FRAP, it's Frenetic Random Acts of Play (or Frantic Running And Playing). He was actually better with the playfulness tonight, although he still actively paces around the house in watchdog mode until he's satisfied and flops down. :)


I just wanted a pompous old English name 8) . I thought about names from the Dicken's Characters, but decided on Chauncey several years before I got him.
Chauncey was quite the little nipper, we use to call him our furry alligator. The swipes from the paws when we played were as bad. Between the nips and swipes I was afraid to go to the Dr. for fear of Bob going to jail for spousal abuse 8O
Since your Chauncey is already a year it should improve more quickly than with a new puppy....but remember these guys are late bloomers and stay puppy like until 2-3. Just be patient and consistent.
Also keep in mind the breed, they are herders and guard dogs.
With our Chaunce it seemed like the maturity kicked in almost overnight, he was about 2 1/2. And I was sure I'd never say this, but I do miss some of his antic's ( esp. the FRAPS ). They are truely entertaining, keep you on your toes, and laughing.
Once you work out the bounderies he will be one of the loves of your life and will be constantly by your side.
Kathy
Our good boy is 19 months yesterday, and in the last couple of weeks has come to understand that being mouthy is just not a good thing. I say suddenly because it did not become an issue until about 14 months old...
As soon as he starts we do the old "get a toy" and this (suddenly works 90% of the time, however if he becomes more rough or insistent then one of two things are next up, the first is a taking away of the hand/limb/whatever and uh-uh followed by the toy treatment,, second (not always a seemingly great idea but one I 'd come across somewhere...) is to put my forearm into his mouth just far enough so that he can't bite down but definitely not enough to hurt his jaw, and he immediately "gets it" and gives a few licks, then gets a toy when told, and lastly if it's I've run I've played and I am still ready for more mouthy mouthy crazy Sheepie puppy I am going to run into you and nip and nip and bark and nip and by God this is even more fun because you just sat down to eat kind of day then we uh-huh, put him on his leash and keep it under foot with slack ( and a chew toy) until he understands what the deal is. This works quickly and he calms right down.
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