Camry or Accord?
So now I'm thinking Camry (it also comes in better colors) but I need to see how the salespeople at the Toyota dealership treat me. Any debate on Camry vs. Accord, or are they basically the same car? |
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| Well from the wife of a husband that works for Honda... I say HONDA.
I am disheartened to hear about the salesperson. If they only knew how that can make or break a deal... |
| I don't think they're the same car, but you can't go wrong with either. We've had 3, and 1 accord. Love them to death. The camry has come a LONG way in style (before it was more of the traditional box but now they are very trendy), and the accord is just hot in my book.
If I were car searching, my choice would purely be on my status. If I were single with no kids or they were out of the house, I'd get the accord. With kids, I'd choose the camry. Just how and what I picture myself in, so ultimately... I'm saying go for the style and features you like or you'll regret it. |
I just asked hubby and he said that Camry's are outselling Accords right now, and he would rate them right up there with the Accord. I still say go for the Honda  |
| my family is a honda family - parents own 4 of them presently, i have owned 3, and my mom loves her accord. i will always vouch for the accord! it is a lovely car and they do last for so long. but i have also heard similar things about camrys. totally down to what you truly prefer! i would go more for the car vs the salesperson, even if you have to go to a few different dealerships to get sufficient service (ick). it's the car you'll be living with for hundreds of thousands of miles, not the sales person. but man i can see how you'd be put off!
i'm not a fan of sales in general  nothing against sales people, i just prefer the lack thereof in my buying. hehe. |
| I wouldn't put too much stock in the bad salespeople experience: in the end, it's the car you're buying, not them. I'd take a good car from bad sales people long before I'd take a bad car from good sales people. Conversely, if the accord is the right car for you, why would you deny yourself that just because some sales guy was a jerk? Just my $0.02 anyway.
Either way, I think both camry and accord are top cars right now, and you really can't go wrong with either. I have an emotional bias in favour of the honda, mind you, but truth be told, you wouldn't lose with either car. What that means, then, is that the decision really comes down to the incidentals, such as: * how much do you like the style? *how much does the interior suit your lifestyle (e.g. cup holders, collapsible seats to make room for sheepdogs, etc.) *which one better suits your budget? and other side issues like that. I mean, if all other things are equal, then the car decision really can come down to something as trivial as the cupholders, and when you're comparing two cars like the accord and camry, then in all the important areas - quality, safety, etc - the two pretty much are all equal. So just go with what you like. good luck! |
| I've noticed that Hondas and especially Toyotas have had recalls in the last few years. Honda just issued one for airbags. Consumer Reports has stopped automatically giving the Camry top marks due to problems with the car.
Have you thought about buying American. Both the Ford Fusion and Chevrolet Malibu have been getting great reviews and they have scored extremely well in the quality indicators (JD Power, CR). The Saturn Aura is another excellent choice. You really ought to give the American cars a look and not just automatically eliminate them just because they are American. People need to start seeing that foreign cars aren't the end all of all cars. If you look at JD Powers reports, you'll see that several American makes scored higher than foreign makes, with many in the top 10. Please, look at the domestics. |
CamVal1 wrote: I've noticed that Hondas and especially Toyotas have had recalls in the last few years. Honda just issued one for airbags. Consumer Reports has stopped automatically giving the Camry top marks due to problems with the car.
Have you thought about buying American. Both the Ford Fusion and Chevrolet Malibu have been getting great reviews and they have scored extremely well in the quality indicators (JD Power, CR). The Saturn Aura is another excellent choice. You really ought to give the American cars a look and not just automatically eliminate them just because they are American. People need to start seeing that foreign cars aren't the end all of all cars. If you look at JD Powers reports, you'll see that several American makes scored higher than foreign makes, with many in the top 10. Please, look at the domestics. I respectfully would like to say that Honda Accords are American made. They do have some parts that are imported from Japan, as Ford has parts imported from Mexico etc. American Honda employees thousands of workers in the USA, all building American Made vehicles. |
CamVal1 wrote: I've noticed that Hondas and especially Toyotas have had recalls in the last few years. Honda just issued one for airbags. Consumer Reports has stopped automatically giving the Camry top marks due to problems with the car.
Honda and Toyota are doing something right because they still top the list of most stolen cars. 
The whole Saturn line isn't too bad these days-- because they're essentially all rebadged Opels and nobody makes a car like the Germans. Paula, I had the same experience as you, except for the opposite. The Toyota people were jerks so we walked out and I got the Honda instead. (The Honda was actually the more functional of the two cars I was looking at but the salesperson made the decision really easy.) The good part, for me, was that the Honda dealership was owned by the same group so we ratted out the crappy sales guy/manager from Toyota and we got an apology letter and a free oil change when we bought the Honda. Win win! |
Abuckie wrote: I respectfully would like to say that Honda Accords are American made. They do have some parts that are imported from Japan, as Ford has parts imported from Mexico etc. American Honda employees thousands of workers in the USA, all building American Made vehicles.
And I will respectfully point out that the majority of the money made on the sale of a foreign branded vehicle goes back to the mother country. More money will stay in the U.S. with the sale of an American branded car. And while the number of American parts in an American car is diminishing, there are still more in an American branded car than in a foreign branded vehicle. Here's some other interesting tidbits: - GM employs more U.S. workers than all major foreign automakers combined - Ford operates nearly as many assembly lines in the U.S. as Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai, & VW put together. - GM, Ford, & Chrysler sell about half the cars bought in the U.S., but they buy nearly 80% of the parts made here. - Chysler employs 83 American workers for every 2,500 cars it sells. Ford is at 80 and GM is at 71. Toyota employs only 33 American workers for every 2,500 cars it sells. Hyundai scores a dismal 15. - The domestic content of a Big 3 vehicle is 79% while the domestic content of a foreign vehicle is 35% - GM, Ford, and Chrysler invest about 80% of their R&D spending here in the U.S. - In 2007, American automakers employed 267,000 Americans while foreign automakers employed only 83,000. |
ButtersStotch wrote: The whole Saturn line isn't too bad these days-- because they're essentially all rebadged Opels and nobody makes a car like the Germans.
Actually, the Saturn Astra is the only Opel rebadge. All the others are based on the same platforms found under other GM NA vehicles. |
I don't want to hijack Paula's original post. Camry vs. Honda? No matter, you will look adorable behind the wheel of either. And, at the end of the day, that is what counts-- right?  |
"OH WHAT A FEELING" TOYOTA  That's the ad catchphrase here 
Definately a "Camry"  |
CamVal1 wrote: ButtersStotch wrote: The whole Saturn line isn't too bad these days-- because they're essentially all rebadged Opels and nobody makes a car like the Germans. Actually, the Saturn Astra is the only Opel rebadge. All the others are based on the same platforms found under other GM NA vehicles. The Astra is only true rebadge since they actually kept the name. Others are the same Opel car, new name, minor adjustments. The 2008 Saturn Vue is a rebadged Opel Antara, while the Opel GT is based on the Saturn Sky. (The Flextreme concept is also a direct rebadge on an Opel concept.). The Aura, I think, is the only unique model in the current fleet. Ultimately, I wouldn't discount it at all. It's modeled off of a company that makes good cars so they were smart not to change things which, in an American car, means to add more plastic.  |
| I am so in love with my 2004 Camry LXE!!!
I was also in love with my old Camry LX, a 1998. I have said it over and over and over. I should have never gotten rid of it. I am not a fan of Honda after owning a CR-V for the past 4 + years. The engine was under powered and it barely made it up hills.... actually it used to make this screaming noise. The steering wheel never tilted quite enough. I never had any problems with my 98 Camry. It was the perfect car.... the only problem I felt it had was a clearance problem... too close to the ground. I learned that quickly after cracking the power steering pump by going to fast over a dip in the road. That problem has been corrected in newer models, (They have a much higher clearance) like the one I have. I think the New Camry's are very sport looking. My MIL has one. She is also in love with her car. |
| Hi Auntie Paula! I don't know if you know, but Tony works for a Toyota dealer in Park Ridge now (no, not in sales)...so if you want him to help you, I'm sure he would. Don't feel slighted by the salesman. Right now, we dealers are going crazy because of the Cash for Clunker program. I know, our store has been open until midnight on several occasions because of the flood of people. It's odd times for us, so please be patience. Honda vs Toyota? Both are quality products, and both bring $$$ to the US. I drive my darling Sammy..a Solaria, with is basically a Camry coupe...and I love her. She had her bad crash last year, kept me (relatively) safe, and is none the worse for wear. I believe between the two...it's a toss up. Strictly your personal preference. Let me know if you'd like Tony to help you with Toyota end of things. |
| Our last two cars have been Toyotas, Solara and Camry XLE. LOVE them both! Mrs. Bailey never wants to buy anything other than a Toyota product. Great reliability and style. Actually considering a new Avalon at this time. |
baileesdad wrote: Our last two cars have been Toyotas, Solara and Camry XLE. LOVE them both! Mrs. Bailey never wants to buy anything other than a Toyota product. Great reliability and style. Actually considering a new Avalon at this time.
I love the Avalon...it's really gorgeous! Mrs. Bailey has great taste |
ButtersStotch wrote: The Astra is only true rebadge since they actually kept the name. Others are the same Opel car, new name, minor adjustments. The 2008 Saturn Vue is a rebadged Opel Antara, while the Opel GT is based on the Saturn Sky. (The Flextreme concept is also a direct rebadge on an Opel concept.). The Aura, I think, is the only unique model in the current fleet. Ultimately, I wouldn't discount it at all. It's modeled off of a company that makes good cars so they were smart not to change things which, in an American car, means to add more plastic.
The Opel Antara is built in S. Korea by Daewoo. It rides on the Theta Premium platform. Theta was originally engineered in the U.S. Theta Premium underpins the new Chevy Equinox, the new GMC Terrain, and the new Cadillac SRX, among others. The Opel GT is a rebadged Saturn Sky, not the other way around. It is (or it was; production ended a few weeks ago) produced in the Wilmington, DE plant along side the Sky and Pontiac Solstice. Those cars ride on the Kappa platform which was designed in the States. The Opel GT is shipped overseas from the U.S. The Saturn Aura rides on the Epsilon platform, which was designed in the States. This platform also underpins the Chevy Malibu and the Pontiac G6. The new Buick LaCrosse coming out is on an updated Epsilon platform, Epsilon II. Only one Saturn is a rebadged Opel. And that's the Astra. I still think the OP needs to check out other cars besides the two listed. She is doing herself a disservice by not looking at them, but more importantly, she is doing our country a disservice by not looking at them. Remember what are mother's said when we were little: don't knock something until you try it. And if you need proof of how good our cars are, just look at all the quality indices out there like JD Power. Statistically, we are just as good or better than most foreign brands. I can help people open their eyes to reality, but I can't pull their heads out of the sand. |
| Here's an interesting link about Honda's latest airbag recall.
http://blogs.thecarconnection.com/marty ... c-acura-tl |
| My first new car was a 1977 Honda Civic, it was the size of the Smart Car back then - but it ran forever. I am on my second Camry, my sis has my 1998 Camry, it is running great, and I am driving a 2005 Camry, also running great (and Patch likes it, too!) I've driven a Honda Accord and, personally, I do not think it rides as comfortably as a Camry, it doesn't feel as heavy. I do not think you can go wrong with either a Honda, Toyota, Nissan, or Mazda. I really like the Highlander or Endeavor or Rogue or Pilot if you want a SUV. |
Sheepie2 wrote: My first new car was a 1977 Honda Civic, it was the size of the Smart Car back then - but it ran forever. I am on my second Camry, my sis has my 1998 Camry, it is running great, and I am driving a 2005 Camry, also running great (and Patch likes it, too!) I've driven a Honda Accord and, personally, I do not think it rides as comfortably as a Camry, it doesn't feel as heavy. I do not think you can go wrong with either a Honda, Toyota, Nissan, or Mazda. I really like the Highlander or Endeavor or Rogue or Pilot if you want a SUV.
And...a Mercedes ain't so bad either  |
| ps - FYI - Toyota is made just down the road from me in Georgetown KY, so Toyota is part American (Kentuckian). Mother and Dad have had Fords for a hundred years (they are in hteir nineties) so I am a bit partial to Ford, but like the longevity of Toyota, Honda, Nissan - |
| Unfortunately nobody has offered to buy me an Aston Martin DB9....... |
Paula O. wrote: Unfortunately nobody has offered to buy me an Aston Martin DB9.......
I bet Ron would. Oh Ronnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn....... |
| Hellooooooooooo! |
| We are a toyota family here, too. Honda is good as well, but I prefer my toyotas. How about the new Venza? I LOOOOOOOOOOOVE that car. It's like a Camry on steroids....Hubby said he would get me one, but I told him no, I'd rather not increase our car payments. Bless his heart, he'll try to get me anything I want, and I have to be reasonable and tell him no. |
| My son drives an "older than dirt" 1989 Camry, and it is going strong.
I have a friend with a newer Camry (2007 or 2008) in red - she is the youngest 75 year old lady I know and LOVES her hot car her teenaged granddaughters love it too.
And I love my Honda Element (2007) - it has been wonderful and totally free of any issues. I just bought new tires. Besides oil changes, it's the 1st money I have spent on it. (ok, I buy LOTS of gas, I drive a lot)
I don't know anyone personally with a newer Acura. I vote to do a long test drive of each. Borrow one of each for a day. |
| If i may throw in my 2 cents....id say....
volkswagen!!!!!!!!! jetta!!!!!!!!!!!!! i love my car....diesel...i get 36 miles in the city and 48 on the highway.....i fill up every 2 weeks! |
| We're a Toyota family as well. Dale started it with a '99 Solara, then went to an '03 Camry XLE, then Spencer bought an '04 Corolla when he graduated from college, then Dale went to an '08 Camry XLE and I went to an '08 Prius, and Sarah bought an '09 Yaris when she graduated from college. No complaints from any of the cars, just love them all!
Have friends who are Honda fans - newest car is a hybrid Civic, but they had 2 Acura's before that and loved them all. |
Hondas here. 
We've had at least one in our driveway since 1984. A couple of Accords, a Prelude, a del Sol, CR-V and two Pilots. All wonderful cars. Now we have a new Honda plant in my home town that's putting food on the table for a lot of local families. My BIL retired from GM and was always miffed about our loyalty to Honda but hey, we drive what we like and what fits our lifestyle. If American cars can't keep up with that, they're the ones that need to make changes. |
| CamVal1 wrote Quote: She is doing herself a disservice by not looking at them, but more importantly, she is doing our country a disservice by not looking at them.
Just wondering, any chance our great American auto makers and OUR Country are doing US a disservice by having built all those gas guzzlers we now see as fodder for the "Clunker" program? |
Maggie McGee IV wrote: Hondas here.
We've had at least one in our driveway since 1984. A couple of Accords, a Prelude, a del Sol, CR-V and two Pilots. All wonderful cars. Now we have a new Honda plant in my home town that's putting food on the table for a lot of local families. My BIL retired from GM and was always miffed about our loyalty to Honda but hey, we drive what we like and what fits our lifestyle. If American cars can't keep up with that, they're the ones that need to make changes. We have been to your neck of the woods several times. When John is on a business trip for Honda, I usually tag along if I can. Next time, maybe we can meet up |
baileesdad wrote: CamVal1 wrote
Quote: She is doing herself a disservice by not looking at them, but more importantly, she is doing our country a disservice by not looking at them. Just wondering, any chance our great American auto makers and OUR Country are doing US a disservice by having built all those gas guzzlers we now see as fodder for the "Clunker" program? As the comptroller of a Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep dealership... HELL YEA!!!! |
baileesdad wrote: Just wondering, any chance our great American auto makers and OUR Country are doing US a disservice by having built all those gas guzzlers we now see as fodder for the "Clunker" program?
First off, I don't believe there has been a number that shows the percentage split of the traded-in vehicles (foreign vs. domestic). So you can't say that all the vehicles being turned in are American gas guzzlers. You don't know that. And if you think you do, please post a link to a source. Secondly, the Americans built just as many fuel efficient vehicles as the foreign automakers. And conversely, the foreign automakers built just as many "gas guzzlers" (as you call them) as the Americans. If you would like me to list all the foreign made "guzzlers", then I will do so. Just say the word. |
| I don't know much about the Camry - but I LOOOOOVE Toyota's reliability and relative efficiency. I became a convert after owning Dodge, Ford and Chevy clunkers that were overpriced and underperforming. they did allow a couple of mechanics to live nice lives though. |
| My husband always makes me try the equal model of every car company any time we look for cars even though I TOTALLY don't want to. I worked for Kia and Mazda btw. Each time, it only makes me love Toyota and Honda 10x more, and makes my husband more of a follower ...who wasn't in the beginning. The other cars can't compare!!!!!!!!!! |
| Camval1 wrote Quote: First off, I don't believe there has been a number that shows the percentage split of the traded-in vehicles (foreign vs. domestic). So you can't say that all the vehicles being turned in are American gas guzzlers. You don't know that. And if you think you do, please post a link to a source.
Don't get so defensive, I think you may have mistaken my reference of "all those" to mean every car turned in. Not so, it was a generality not an absolute. I find it difficult to see how anyone can conceive that foreign manufacturers made "just as many" as you conclude. I think your "just as many" comment is simply a generality much like mine. Just as many actually means "exactly" the same amount and I really don't think that is the case. I really don't want to belabor this point so this is all I will have to say on it. Looks like maybe we should just agree to disagree. Have a cup of tea and enjoy your day. |
debcram wrote: baileesdad wrote: CamVal1 wrote Quote: She is doing herself a disservice by not looking at them, but more importantly, she is doing our country a disservice by not looking at them. Just wondering, any chance our great American auto makers and OUR Country are doing US a disservice by having built all those gas guzzlers we now see as fodder for the "Clunker" program? As the comptroller of a Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep dealership... HELL YEA!!!! I've thought over my initial reply. American car makers MADE those cars because that is what the American public WANTED! |
| Toyota has a special incentive now--0% financing on Camrys and the dealer has the 2 colors I like in stock. So Friday afternoon I'm test driving it. I must tell myself "this is only a test." |
Paula O. wrote: Toyota has a special incentive now--0% financing on Camrys and the dealer has the 2 colors I like in stock. So Friday afternoon I'm test driving it. I must tell myself "this is only a test."
Which colors? You KNOW that is the most important feature of a car! (Good luck driving it and walking away. Ain't happening!) |
| I fantacize about having 0% financing available when I am ready to buy a new car.... |
debcram wrote: Paula O. wrote: Toyota has a special incentive now--0% financing on Camrys and the dealer has the 2 colors I like in stock. So Friday afternoon I'm test driving it. I must tell myself "this is only a test." Which colors? You KNOW that is the most important feature of a car! (Good luck driving it and walking away. Ain't happening!) HA HA! My husband makes fun of me b/c while shopping for a car, I always get excited when I find secret compartments or extra cup holders ...not the fact it has a good engine of built well. |
| The deciding factors are the interest rates and the colors. And it just so happens the dealer has a green Camry and a grey metallic Camry in stock........and those are the 2 colors I would want.
Test driving a car is like "looking" at a puppy. There's no looking, only buying! |
| Green green green green GREEN.......my favorite color, lol! |
They are both great colors!!! My son's Rav4 was the grey...it's really gorgeous. And as you can plainly see, I am partial to green!  |
| I like the grey!! |
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