Crate training and urine in the fur

First of all I apologize for the crass sounding topic title but it was sadly the best way to sum it up! From what I've been reading in a few other threads, it sounds like others have had this problem too. Clyde is 5 months old and still being crate trained. I may have mentioned in other posts that he has a water drinking problem-- he can't be stopped! Don't worry though, he's been to the vet, many tests and it is only psychological, kidneys are good and he's all around healthy. So, we limit and control his water because he would be impossible to houstrain. I should also mention that he came from a 100% caged environment before we got him at 3 1/2 months and was used to peeing and pooping whenever he needed to right in his own spot. We immediately began traditional crate training which was challenging in itself because he had some bad habits to break.

He's made some great strides and now has few accidents in the house or crate. He's doing his best and I'm being patient, I know it'll take time. However, the problem I have are the accidents in the crate (only pee, no poo). As I said they are much fewer but even one or 2 a week results in one or 2 baths a week. I try to spot wash and only use very gentle shampoo and conditioner but I don't feel good about doing it so much. I have eczema myself and I don't want to dry out his poor skin either but as you all know, his fur is like a sponge and he just soaks it right up and stinks to high heaven! Anybody have any suggestions? What do you think about a blanket in the crate-- do you think that might absorb more of the accident and keep it off his fur? I'm running out of ideas but I'm trying to be patient. I just don't want to have the pee smelling dog and all these baths aren't good for anyone!
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Have you tried the Arm And Hammer Pet Odor Control Powder? We use it at home to keep it smelling fresh, helps a lot with dog stains with the ocassional accident or visitng dog and it's very safe to refresh your pet's smell.
We had this problem before, and we also had to limit Ben's water intake, too. (We still do to some extent....)

Nature's Miracle has a spray-on deodorizer which we always keep on hand. Even now he has a tendancy to pee on his foot every now and then! :oops:
I have read that if you train a dog to use the crate as a bath room they will think that is the right thing to do. Since he was caged / crated for so long that seems to be the case here. Here's what I would try, and by the way I have not tried this but it seems like a good shot. I would pick a special blanket that you and the dog share on the couch or floor let him lay on it in your lap make it special this is his special personal possession. After a couple of weeks put it in the crate at night for him to sleep on. maybe get a silky one since they like cool things. During the night I would wake up 2 or 3 times take him outside to pee and if he has peed on the blanket remove it. Kind of whackey I know, I will look around for solutions.

Question: Puppy Pees in Crate

I have a 9 week old puppy. I've never had a puppy before, I've been crating her because I read that it helped with housetraining. The problem is that she keeps going to the bathroom in her crate! How is the crate supposed to help if she goes to the bathroom in it? Please help! Cindy

What we think:
You probably need to make your puppy's crate smaller. If a puppy has enough room to pee in one corner, and sleep or play in another corner, they'll probably do just that! Use a cardboard box, or something of that nature to put it the crate towards the back. This will give the pup less room. Your puppy should have enough room to stand up and turn around comfortably, more than that, and she'll probably pee

and then this
HOW DO I STOP MY DOG FROM ELIMINATING IN THE CRATE?

How do I stop my dog from eliminating in the crate when I'm gone?

"I had a student call me with the same problem your having. I asked her to try this:

Get your dog a big white bleached bone. Make sure it is hollow in middle. (this is where you will put squirt cheese or peanut butter)! You should call this a bye bye bone, and only give it to your dog when you leave and only in the crate. It will take about 20 to 30 minutes to get to the gooey stuff in the center, and hopefully she will forget about pooping in her crate. Once you get home, you need to remove it immediately, and do not give it to her to play with at all. She should only get this when you leave her. For my student the problem was solved at once. No more messing in the crate. By the way, within a week, when you are getting ready to leave, your dog will become very anxious to have you leave so she can have her bone!"

Margie

Margie Spencer lives in Portsmouth Virginia and owns and runs Basic Instincts K-9 Training and Performance Team.
I have read that too, Roger's Dad, and that's why I'm trying to not to lose patience. He used to just go in his crate everytime we put him in there and we were pulling our hair out over it. So we've been keeping him to a consistent routine of eating, drinking, potty. Everytime he gets water, we wait 20 minutes and rally him up to go outside. Our other dog is trained to the word "outside" which has been pretty helpful with Clyde because Lucy sprints for the door whenever she hears it and Clyde imitates her. In the last week, I realized when I called "outside", he no longer followed but was coming by himself, which was a very happy moment for me!

His crate is just large enough for him to get up and turn around so he doesn't have too much extra room or anything. The funny thing is, when he does have an accident in the crate and gets wet it makes him really upset. He starts barking AFTER the accident and when I go down to see what happened, I can tell he just peed. If I don't come down and get him out of the wet crate, the barking goes on and on until I do.

Can I put the Arm and Hammer powder right on the dog? Like maybe brush his hair, put the powder on and brush it through? Anything I could do to stave off too many baths would be great. Clyde and I are both starting to look like prunes. Ironically, because it's been so necessary, Clyde LOVES to take baths now. Our tub is upstairs and when I say bath, he runs up the stairs and waits for me-- in the tub! He loves the blow dryer and the brushing that goes with it too. Kinda makes me wonder if he's peeing on purpose to get the bath... ;)
If your dog has learned to go on the cage, you must now untrain him. This will require a long weekend because you must keep a constant eye on your doggie.

What I suggest you to do is that after you crate your doggie, sit next to the crate and play with him. When you see the first signs of him wanting to pee, (Usually circling and a "suspicious" position on his body) quickly take him outside, and say something like "Bathroom!", or "Potty time!" as soon as he starts going. Have a treat handy and feed him as he is going or when he's just done, maybe even playing for a few minutes with him will be good. After that, go back to the house and repeat the procedure. If you catch him in the act, don't pay any attention, just take him outside and encourage him to finish his business there.

From the barking you mentioned, I could think that maybe you have some anxiety issues, it could be that he pees to get attention. Does the peeing happen even when you are looking at him, or is it just when you are not looking? I could be a syntom of separation anxiety if it only happens when you leave him alone and he wants out of the cage, he's learned that peeing in the cage and barking will get your attention, you may want to look into that. Lennon had a very acute case of separation anxiety when he was a pup, and Sofa still has submisive urinating because of an abuse history, but with the proper training those problems became rare and specific.

We put A&H powder once a week, leave it for about 20 minutes and them have them romp and a quick brush to remove it, because it could be irritating to their skin. The febreeze products also have been very useful for us in dissapearing dog smells around the house. Also, the remedy of 2/3 Mineral Water, 1/3 Vineager in a squirt bottle is great for removing stains from carpets and removing scents from crates, consider also an enzyme based cleaning product for the accidents. If you don't want to bathe that much, consider a no wash/ no rinse pet cleaning shampoo or bath wipes, those are great for clening up a muddy dog without getting him in the bath tub and may work with the urine scent.
Fortunately/Unfortunately, it's only a few times a week thing. He NEVER does it in front of us in the crate. It really is only for longer periods of time, never anything under 6 hours-- which can be at night or while at work. He's not thrilled about being in there, but it doesn't seem to be a separation thing. For the first month, I came home from work at lunch to let him out but the vet advised me to start weaning him away from that so he didn't become dependent on going out at lunch. That made sense to me but I really think he's just too young to hold it all day. I think that's just expecting too much. Should a 5 month old be able to hold it for 9 hours while we're away at work? It's been a long time since I've raised a puppy so I can't tell if I'm having the wrong expectations. From what I've read, they should be able to hold their age +1 so I assume 6 hours. Does that seem right?
From what I have read, its an hour for every month they are that they can hold it. If he is only 5 months, keeping him in the crate for 9 hours is a long time for him. I did not crate train my max, but I wish I was more helpful.
ButtersStotch wrote:
From what I've read, they should be able to hold their age +1 so I assume 6 hours. Does that seem right?


Yes, the rule of thumb is Age in Monts = -+ 1 Hour of holding time, your 5 month doggie should be able to hold it for about 4 to 6 hours. Is there a nice neighbor you could ask to let him out to relieve? Or maybe an outside playpen?
my bichon continues to eliminate in her crate, we take her outside often, she holds it and then goes as soon as we put her in the crate. help
vlsoares wrote:
my bichon continues to eliminate in her crate, we take her outside often, she holds it and then goes as soon as we put her in the crate. help


Take her outside on a lead. Stay out until she goes and immediately have a big party - play, treats, whatever makes her happiest. Bringing her in before she potties is a virtual guarantee she will go after you come back in. And pottying off lead/not being out there while they are learning is not the way to go. You need to catch her being good and reward so she gets what you want.

Not sure where you live - but if you are in a cold climate, you are dealing w/ that as well. Small toy breeds and dogs with little hair always regress in the winter. Our min pin is 11 and we always have potty issues EVERY winter..... :?
try feeding while in the crate. Dogs typically don't pee where they eat. They don't like it.

Another suggestion, try having them around other dogs, maybe a doggie daycare where they will socialize and hopefully learn what they should be doing. My friend's puppy stay 2 nights with another older dog and came back completely house trained. I'm not saying your dog will take to it as quickly, mine hasn't, but it's worth trying.

DefinitTry feeding in the crate though...
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