I wanna have a shot and a beer with Sarah
But I watched Sarah Palin's speech last night...and I was WOWED! What a woman! She's Annie Oakley! She has so much life in her, so much that has been missing from politics for so many years. She reminded me of the redhot politicians of years gone by. I can absolutely picture her hunting bear with a rifle in hand. I wanna hang with her!!! I wanna have a shot and a beer with her ... or many shots and beers with her. I'd even pick up the tab! She is the first canidate I've seen in years who actually feels ALIVE!!! No politics here. just gut feeling....Sorry Mom. And Dad...stop grinning! |
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| Don't mean to burst your bubble Deb, she did deliver the speech with style and aplomb, but other than an AD Libbed comment or two the speech was written entirely by former George Bush speech writers and didn't have a single "original" thought in it (as reported on ABC News and NPR.org today).
I will say one thing for her, if I were going to go hunting with a Republican I'd pick her over Cheney any day! |
| HA HA! Yep...I'm sure she's a better shot...and regardless of who wrote the words, she delivered them flawlessly! |
debcram wrote: HA HA! Yep...I'm sure she's a better shot...and regardless of who wrote the words, she delivered them flawlessly!
Yep! I thought the same thing Deb. Very dynamic! She did more than speak the words, she seemed to believe them. And she made me believe them. I wonder if she has a Sheep Dog... |
Joan and I have been to Wasilla, and NEOESR has (or used to have) a member there.  |
| Deb
I would love to have a drink with you and Sarah!!!!! I am amazed with her sassy self! I am not into politics BUT, I love her! |
| I just feel like she is nothing but a figurehead to get McCain elected. I dont think she'll have much say after she gets HIM in office which is very sad. I'm sorry to say. I dont mean this as a jab at her in no means, I just feel the Bush camp is sneaky like that and they are behind McCain. I feel like they are using her because of the female aspect. I wouldnt want to be in that position. I think we are in trouble no matter who's elected. Talk is talk. and talk is cheap. |
| Lived in Anchorage 4 yrs...have lots of family in Wasilla...all cousins...Alaska LOVES her...86% approval rating...says ALOT !!! I LOVE her...refreshing and for all the negatives everyone is searching hard to find...alot of positives...I really find it so refreshing...Get me a sign for my yard...I want bumper stickers....McCain/Palin!!!!!! They truly will shake things up!!! |
| When they showed a shot of her sister at the Peanut Farm, we were like Holy Crap. Weird because we go there all the time and never knew that was her sister.
Her delivering that speech in the manner in which she did as well as the meaning behind it was all her which is all that matters to me. I've heard her speak more than once as she's there when the guys deploy, military functions, etc and she is who you saw the other night. An experienced, go-getter who knows how to make real change. The short time she has served here, she has made quite the impact. We have been bragging about how wonderful she is, and we were so excited to see that after her speech ...our friends and family see why we like her!!
What a way to liven up the Republican Party! Hope we get to see her as VP soon! |
| I like her. |
| I like Sarah Palin very much too, particularly the fact that she is not a career politician and is not afraid to go against the grain. Like Deb, I am excited about a politician in a way I have not been in my entire adult life. Too many factory politicians out there. More often than not I have voted against the lesser choice as opposed to voting for someone. And to be honest I feel that way about both McCain and Obama still. If I could go into an election booth and choose "none of the above" then I probably would.
The following responses are not based on a political party affiliation but on my personal observation of both parties. cheyennebuford wrote: I just feel like she is nothing but a figurehead to get McCain elected. I feel like they are using her because of the female aspect. You are correct that a WOMAN was selected to help get him elected but keep this in mind she is NOT the only Republican woman they could have selected. I said months before the Republican candidate was decided, that if their party wants to win the election they should choose a woman as a running mate in light of what was happening on the Democratic side. I think they made a smart choice for a woman. cheyennebuford wrote: I dont think she'll have much say after she gets HIM in office which is very sad. Some presidents give their ear to a VP more than others. I think Cheney had more influence on Bush than Bush Sr. did on Reagan for example. I don't think Gore had much influence on Clinton but Hilary had way more than the average first lady. Other presidents have given more credence to a particular cabinet member. So I think it just depends on the dynamics and personalities of the parties involved. cheyennebuford wrote: I just feel the Bush camp is sneaky like that and they are behind McCain.
Actually, McCain is not the first choice of the Republican party that Bush affiliates with - he is too far left and too independent in his thinking. Many of his remarks last night about the way politics are being run right now were not well received. I think that Palin was picked by McCain's very smart advisors. Remember that this is a democracy and all these ideals still have to be approved by the legislative branch as well. That is one of the main reasons we may see very little difference in the end no matter what the outcome. At least this will prove to be an interesting election with history being made either way. Let the fun begin.  |
| I really like Sarah Palin too. She has passion, which is nice for a change. I also like how bluntly she states her beliefs and ideas. I don't have to guess what her views are on abortion, gun control, foreign oil; she spells it out for me.
I am getting tired of Obama, media, and supporters campaining against Bush though. Come on people, McCain is the candidate. |
| I like that she doesn't speak in that normal monotone woman politician voice that is completely free of modulation. She actually has feeling in her voice without yelling all in one key. |
cheyennebuford wrote: I feel like they are using her because of the female aspect.
Ya think?  |
| I'm a Canadian and I don't know much about your politics but I just gotta say :D I LOVE PALIN , whatta WOMAN. I watched her speech from start to finish and that made me go back last nite to watch McCain and his bio touched me, what a true Hero you have in him |
| im in with the shots and beer as long as there is disco music playing too!!! |
| I just dont like McCain and using a woman with her talent is so wrong in my book. I have had enough of the Republican economics to last me a lifetime. Our family was so much better off 10 years ago and we had all 5 children living at home then. Its a good thing they dont live at home now. My husband lost his job in Feb due to the fair trade act. His company moved to mexico piece by piece. I dont see us surviving through 4 more years of that kind of thinking. It must be nice not to remember how many houses you have. |
Darcy wrote: im in with the shots and beer as long as there is disco music playing too!!!
No disco music while drinking for you Darcy!  Was having your nose broken once not enough??  |
As much as I hate to admit it...I  disco music! Back in the day, I was a disco Queen..or perhaps GODDESS! I've spent many a drunken night dancing to disco (You can ring my belll, belll bellll...ring my bell!) |
cheyennebuford wrote: I just dont like McCain and using a woman with her talent is so wrong in my book. I have had enough of the Republican economics to last me a lifetime. Our family was so much better off 10 years ago and we had all 5 children living at home then. So you were better off with the results of the first Bush administration than with the results of the Clinton years?
Just kidding!  |
debcram wrote: As much as I hate to admit it...I
disco music! Back in the day, I was a disco Queen..or perhaps GODDESS! I've spent many a drunken night dancing to disco (You can ring my belll, belll bellll...ring my bell!)I banned Disco music from my wedding
Although there is one class I take at the gym where the instructor plays Disco-type music and that's fun...Toot toot, Hey, Beep Beep! |
I just wish I was eloquent enough to express my opinions on politics! I have some good ideas swirling in my head, but lack of sleep isn't helping to organize them  |
cheyennebuford wrote: I just dont like McCain and using a woman with her talent is so wrong in my book.
She had the choice in joining him-- she wasn't forced. She's not an idiot so she knows what his motives are. I really don't think that's being used. |
cheyennebuford wrote: I just dont like McCain and using a woman with her talent is so wrong in my book.
What's so wrong with McCain recognizing the talent in her and wanting to use that to help him (and not 'use' in the exploitation sense, but use as in work with)? I think it's a good thing to want to find talented people to be a part of his administration. Every politician has an angle and uses it to try and help them get elected, so why not use the fact that she's a woman to help. It's not like he chose Heidi Montag to be his running mate. |
| I won't be surprise, well maybe a little, if 2012 it was Palin vs Clinton! |
debcram wrote: I won't be surprise, well maybe a little, if 2012 it was Palin vs Clinton!
You don't think Clinton would be too old then? Everyone's making such a stink about how old McCain is... |
| She'd be in her 60s, a good 10 years younger than McCain. |
Ron wrote: cheyennebuford wrote: I just dont like McCain and using a woman with her talent is so wrong in my book. I have had enough of the Republican economics to last me a lifetime. Our family was so much better off 10 years ago and we had all 5 children living at home then. So you were better off with the results of the first Bush administration than with the results of the Clinton years? Just kidding! :D you better run fast :D  |
| I'm just sayin' that the economy takes years and years to show the results of small changes in economic policy.
Look at the price of oil; tripled then quadrupled in price. Wait 'til you see the economic impact of that -- in a few more years. |
| PS the US isn't in a recession. A recession hasn't even started yet. The definition of a recession is two consecutive quarters of "negative growth." We haven't had a single quarter of negative growth yet.
Even though it's politically incoreect and there ARE a lot of people TRULY hurting (there always are), the level of whining about the economy and prices makes me laugh and cringe at the same time. The politicians running on "See how bad the economy is" are killing the economy. When people are afraid of the economy (losing their jobs, unable to get credit) they don't spend money which, you guessed it, kills the economy. Half of what is going on is this fear which is being promulgated by people seeking higher office. Wait till you see "misery" like there was in the 70's! An ACTUAL recession. The increase in oil prices in '73 killed the economy for almost an entire decade with high unemployment and double digit inflation. It wasn't until the Federal Reserve killed the economy completely by choking off all credit and sending unemployment through the roof that inflation ended, and then growth could resume. /rant off. |
| Anyone remember Jimmy Carter days? We were buying our first house when interest rates went to 13% for a morgage loan...we had to lease with option to buy for over a year because we couldn't afford the payment! Anyone remembering waiting in line for 2 hours to get a few gallons of gas? I think people have gotten used to having alot and it all right away...we were married 5 years, saved and bought that first house and yes, we only had one car. You thought you had arrived when Sears would give you a credit card...now they are giving credit cards to full time college students who don't work. I blame alot on the banking industry as they raised home prices and approved house loans knowing the people couldn't afford the payments. NAFTA started the move to mfg. overseas...Bill Clinton all the way! Remember the Senate and Congress affect us most...there's very little the President can do on his/her own. We really need someone that will bring everyone together...I'm not sure we have two parties anymore...most people want to vote independent and I believe this movement will continue to go this way. |
Tasker's Mom wrote: Don't mean to burst your bubble Deb, she did deliver the speech with style and aplomb, but other than an AD Libbed comment or two the speech was written entirely by former George Bush speech writers and didn't have a single "original" thought in it (as reported on ABC News and NPR.org today).
No offense Ginny - I really wish the press would stop harping on that. EVERY politician uses speech writers. Every single one. Do they really think that Obama writes his own speeches with no other input? I just looked and it seems that he has 3. At one point in the primary Hilary accused Obama of plagiarizing a speech by Mass Gov. Deval Patrick. Believe me, there are things I both agree with and disagree with in terms of Gov. Palin. But if all they can find to criticize is her use of a speech writer, then it must have been a darn good speech. |
| I remember the 70's well. We moved to the US in 1968. My dads first job in this country was with the telephone company. Line man I think they called it back then. Later on he was a maintainance man for Purina. My mom was a waitress in this little tiny rest. In 71, 73, 75, 77, 78, 79 and 81 we went back home to England for a month. 78 I actually lived there with my aunt for 3 mos. The other years we would make a trip to VA, to Kings Dominion, Buecsh Gardens, and OC. We lived in a nice house with a pool etc. My friends were from basically the same kind of background. Thats how I remember the 70's. Eighties I was on my own and then married. I was a stay at home mom, my husband worked for a company that was noted to be the best in the area to work for. We had children we went on vacations, he's from Idaho, we would take trips out there and stop off in different parts of the country. We've been all over the US. The 90's my husband would get overtime almost every week. The car business, which controls his job was doing great. We havent had a good vacation like that since the late 90's early 2000's Then 2004 hit and things just went down hill and have ever since.
He worked there for 20 years. On his 20th anniversery which was last February he was laid offcompany has been torn apart with most of it shipped to Mexico. I dont know much about politics but I do know my life I have lived I know when things were better and I know when things went downhill. They were certainly better when Reagan was in office and then when Clinton was in office. My husband was laid off for a little bit when Bush Sr was in office too. Now our electric company is telling us to be prepared because in 2010 our bill is going to increase by 40-50%. I have been told by different people to store up on food, can what you can because its going to get crazy. Have enough food stored to last a year. That when this recession hits its going to be worse than the depression of the 20's. The 70's will look like one big party. I guess when I hear these things and then I hear some old guy is running for President and cant even remember how many homes he has, I have to say get real. |
| I think she is Great, I shout the beer for a drink with her.
Something nice and fresh to politics she brings.
She reminds me in looks of Elaine from Seinfield 
She has made a news flurry here after her nomination for running mate with whats his face.
SARAH FOR VICE PRESIDENT  |
| Darn it! I just wrote this whole thing and somehow deleted it, so I have to write it again! UGH! I've seen it all! I've worked in the Auto Industry (dealerships, to be exact) since 1972. I was around for the first oil embargo in 1974, when you could only get gas on even or odd days (depending on your license plate number). I've seen interest go to 20%+ the end of the 70s...and watched tons of dealership go under, because not only could they not sell cars (because of the interest) but could not afford to have inventory because of floor plan interest costs (dealerships do not own their inventory...they are financed at prime +2%). In fact, I worked at a Pontiac dealership in 1980 that had a mysterious fire at 2 am on a Sunday morning. End of job for moi! Hello, unemployment. No matter what party is in control...our economy is cyclical..and what goes around comes around. No..we will never have 1.29 per gallon gas again, nor will we ever have $2.75 minimum wage. I've learned Presidents really have very little impact on anything. There are so many checks and balances in place, you can't have a maniac Pres doing anything totally crazy. Ok, I've just re-read this...and now am feeling very old...and sage. Where is Sarah when I really need a shot, a beer and some disco to dance to? |
| Please... a recession worse than "The Great Depression"?
There was 25% unemployment then. Since there was only a single wage earner per family, 25% of families had 0 income. None. Nothing. Nada. Zip, Zilch. They had no savings because the banks all collapsed with no government backing, they had no 401Ks, no unemployment insurance, no social safety net at all. They had nothing. Now the VAST majority of homes have two wage earners, so even a 20% unemployment rate would "only" devastate perhaps 5 or 6% of homes with no earned income. However, they would still have unemployment insurance for at least 6 months, any savings (we all have 6 months or a year's worth of money tucked aside, or else we don't have ANY luxuries like trips, second cars, dining out or nice clothes until we build that reserve, right?) and then there's food stamps and other government programs in place. I could go on and on with the comparisons, but suffice to say in my opinion we might be headed for a recession, it won't be nearly as devastating as a depression, and not even as bad for families as what happened in the 70's. I'm just saying that in comparison to what could be, things are really good in the economy now. Just not great to which we've become accustomed. Our economy has always been cyclical; good times and bad times. We've only had good times since the early 1980's, 25 straight years of economic boom. The quality of life here is astounding, and the opportunities for many people are boundless. Now, if we'd only get all of our energy from the sun, stop sending our money out of the economy; creating a huge MANUFACTURING industry to invent and build these devices and thereafter getting a huge input into the economy from the sun every day.... wow. So when they start talking about another $150 billion dollar "stimulus package" (a euphemism for a tax cut), a huge percentage of which to go to people who don't pay any income taxes, so we all can go to Walmart and buy Chinese manufactured goods, think about how far along that could bring us to our $500 Billion dollar required investment to build the power farms and the delivery infrastructure to get all of the country's electrical power requirements from the sun. |
Ron wrote: ...think about how far along that could bring us to our $500 Billion dollar required investment to build the power farms and the delivery infrastructure to get all of the country's electrical power requirements from the sun.
Plus a wind & water energy infrastructure too. Getting back on the Palin topic... I guess it's great that everyone is so ga ga over Sarah. Good strategic move on McCain's part. I would like to hear more about what people like about her, besides just her "spunk". I personally just can't get past the Bush factor, and how passionately I feel that he's the worst president in the history of the United States. Every time I see that smug face of his, it just makes my skin crawl. Is he just the puppet of Karl Rove & Dick Cheney? Probably, but he is the one that represents the U.S. I think the U.S. is more divided than ever (in my lifetime at least) regarding race, politics, economic status & religion. This is very sad to me, and I truly hope that it changes with whoever ends up in office. Foreign policy must change too. Maybe McCain should have ended his speech with some other words rather than just "Fight, fight, fight, fight..."
If anyone is interested. This site does a lot of bipartisan fact checks on what the candidates say and the truth. http://www.factcheck.org/ |
| I think it is to soon to make a decision on Pallen. I don't think we know enough about her as yet. All politicians are actors, so you have to dig and listen and investigate before you make a decision. I remember people saying they voted for Bush because they felt they could sit down and have a beer with him also......
I don't know how I feel about Obama either, but I am educating myself. The one thing that a Radio Talk News Show Host did say the other day was, If you where going to vote for Hillary and now don't want to vote for Obama and are thinking about McCain. You have to go back to your belief system. Obama still represents the Democrats Views. I lived in Detroit during the '70's and '80's and saw all the people laid off from the factories. The long gas lines and the gas stations running out of gas, I was lucky, I worked in Insurance, so I had a job, but many people didn't. I look down the road and see the same thing coming...it is like a train we can't stop. In the community I live in now, the homes are only a couple of years old and are higher end. Twenty percent are emply and in forclosure....the owners walked away. This past Labor Day weekend, three houses emptied out. No For Sale/For Rent sign posted. No new people moving in either. There is a 5 bedroom, 6 bath, 2 story,3 car garage house that sold for over $400,000 brand new in 2005 on the market for $275,000 and it is still up for sale. I am sick of the "smoke and mirrors" in politics. Just don't fall for pretty speaches like people did with Pallen and Obama. Vote for the President for the right reasons, Don't vote for one because of race or sex. Vote on the President that will bring in an administration that will work with our elected officials and get this country back on track. A good portion of our fellow Americans are struggling and need to know there is a tomorrow. |
VerveUp wrote: Plus a wind & water energy infrastructure too. Getting back on the Palin topic... I guess it's great that everyone is so ga ga over Sarah. Good strategic move on McCain's part. I would like to hear more about what people like about her, besides just her "spunk". I personally just can't get past the Bush factor, and how passionately I feel that he's the worst president in the history of the United States. Every time I see that smug face of his, it just makes my skin crawl. Is he just the puppet of Karl Rove & Dick Cheney? Probably, but he is the one that represents the U.S. I think the U.S. is more divided than ever (in my lifetime at least) regarding race, politics, economic status & religion. This is very sad to me, and I truly hope that it changes with whoever ends up in office. Foreign policy must change too. Maybe McCain should have ended his speech with some other words rather than just "Fight, fight, fight, fight..." If anyone is interested. This site does a lot of bipartisan fact checks on what the candidates say and the truth. http://www.factcheck.org/ Finally someone who agrees with me. I was beginning to feel all alone here. At work a lot of people agree here everyone is gaga over talk. |
violet wrote: ...I don't think we know enough about her as yet.... We know more about her than Obama. She sold a government jet they didn't need, let go of the cook they provided for her, gave money to the citizens from the sale of gas, etc...... Sounds like she 'cleaned house' of government waste when she was voted in. Obama doesn't even show up to vote on issues. violet wrote: ........Vote on the President that will bring in an administration that will work with our elected officials.... A good portion of our fellow Americans are struggling and need to know there is a tomorrow.
McCain knows how the 'enemy' operates, the one at home and the one abroad. He says he plans on 'cleaning up the wasteful government spending' when he becomes president. I for one, don't want him to "work with" those elected officials. I want him to get rid of their "many" vacations, their extended pay when they're out of office, etc............ I say McCain and Palin will help us. Obama will not. |
| I say: "Vote your pocketbook!!!!!!"
Christian Dior and Jimmy Choo for President! |
VerveUp wrote: Ron wrote: ...think about how far along that could bring us to our $500 Billion dollar required investment to build the power farms and the delivery infrastructure to get all of the country's electrical power requirements from the sun. Plus a wind & water energy infrastructure too. ...and when I wrote "from the sun," I was really thinking about wind as well, but I should be more specific (or actually less specific ) |
| Thanks for that link Deb.
I'm trying very hard to still my fingers on this post. I've seen political threads become ugly and emotional on two other forums I participate in. I understand the urge to try to convince everyone that "your" candidate is the "right" one but when it comes to politics I guess you have to decide which issues are the most important to you and make your selection based on those. My observations of Sarah Palin are that she is simply a media appropriate puppet who presents a good public image. John McCain admits that he only met her once before the selection, WOW that sure inspires me to vote fore her. I am not so niave as to think that the Presidential Candidate actually picks his running mate but I'd like to think the party would be wise enough to work with the Presidential candidate to make sure that person had a good working relationship. As far as the jet goes, sorry that is just a joke. She "claimed" in her speech to have sold it on ebay. She did infact sell it but NOT on ebay, it was sold by a broker at a significant loss. Yes, she recognized that it was an unecessary expense but she still lost money on it. I am sure that Alaskans love her, but she can hardly take credit for the surplus of funds. Our Alaskan memebers have been posting about their "government checks" (can't remeber what they are called) since long before she came into office. As far as cleaning up wasteful spending, THEY HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE WASTE FOR THE LAST 8 YEARS, why would they suddenly become the picture of fiscal responsibilty. Sarah Palin has been the QUEEN of pork barrel funds and entitlement programs for the last 18 monts pocketing MILLIONS of dollars in OUR money for the state of Alaska. S SUre she nixed the "bridge to nowhere" but she pocketed the money. No wonder ALaskans lover her. As a supporter of the NRA she can only hurt the cause of gun control in this country. One of those issues you need to pick a side on, I chose to care more about the safety of our children than some red necks right to own a gun. One of her more troubling stands is on the Pro life issue. She claims to be pro life because she believes in the sanctity of life. But then turns around and and supports the death penalty. Something is terribly wrong with that picture. Pro lifers would have you believe that Pro Choice means Pro abortion but that is simply not true. The majority of Pro choice people are deeply saddened by the conditions in this country that create a need for abortion (rape, drugs, economic and family issues) and while they would never CHOOSE that option for themselves beleive it is a valid option. But it is beyond me how a Pro Life person can reconcile their anti abortion stand with a belief in the death penalty. There are, I am sure, some zealots who will make their choice based on an emotional issue such as the abortion issue but I beleive the majority of the people in this country wake up in the morning worryin g about the economy and the war and not the future of the abortion issue in this country. I am deeply troubled by her personal family issues as well. I don't care that her teenage daughter is pregnant, that happens in many families. I do care that she is using that pregnancy as a badge of honor to promote her pro life agenda. I am greatly saddened by her obvious pride in sending her young son off to war. A Mother should weep over such a tragedy, no matter what you stand on the war in Iraq. And while I do believe that women can do anything they choose my personal opinion is that it is a very foolish choice to have 5 children and then abandon those children for a career in politics, especially when one of those children is a special needs child. In chosing Palin for VP the Republicans have disrespected every woman in this country. The stratagists have admitted that they hope to garner the "hillary" vote with their selection. The two candidates could not be more polar opposites and to assume that woman, ANY WOMAN would vote for her simply because of her gender is an insult. I think once the hype surrounding the hockey mom gone politician calms a bit people will realize that htis country deserves better. |
| oops I didnt want to say that |
| Wow! I didn't realize my simple topic would go so far! I just think she'd be fun to go drinking with!!!! Never meant to stir the pot...but have to admit...I've enjoyed this! |
| I don't think anyone is trying to convince others that their candidate is the right one. Of course, its going to sound that way because of the positive and negative views we have of the candidates.
Tasker's Mom wrote: ...... John McCain admits that he only met her once before the selection, ......be wise enough to work with the Presidential candidate to make sure that person had a good working relationship...... I could be wrong, but I think what he said was that, he only met WITH her once before the selection..... That one word (with) completely changes the meaning of that sentence. I think two people with the same common goals would be able to establish a good working relationship. Tasker's Mom wrote: ...... As far as the jet goes, sorry that is just a joke. She "claimed" in her speech to have sold it on ebay. She did infact sell it but NOT on ebay, it was sold by a broker at a significant loss. Yes, she recognized that it was an unecessary expense but she still lost money on it....... A joke..... That's how I took it. I didn't think she sold it through ebay. It may appear that they lost money on that sell, but if you consider what they were paying for insurance, upkeep, inspections and storage, it was probably a good deal??? But, just the fact that she could've used it and chose not to, I thought was impressive. And, to give up a cook! I just wish I had one! Tasker's Mom wrote: ...... why would they suddenly become the picture of fiscal responsibilty.... More power to do something about it? Tasker's Mom wrote: ...... Sarah Palin has been the QUEEN of pork barrel funds and entitlement programs for the last 18 monts pocketing MILLIONS of dollars in OUR money for the state of Alaska. S SUre she nixed the "bridge to nowhere" but she pocketed the money. No wonder ALaskans lover her....... She was looking out for those she was elected to serve. If elected to serve as VP, she'd be looking out for ALL 50 states. I'd rather see the Alaskan's get my money than all the illegals that get it! Tasker's Mom wrote: ...... As a supporter of the NRA she can only hurt the cause of gun control in this country. One of those issues you need to pick a side on, I chose to care more about the safety of our children than some red necks right to own a gun....... RED NECK here. We choose to care about the safety of ALL American's by having the means to defend them, and ourselves.Tasker's Mom wrote: ......But it is beyond me how a Pro Life person can reconcile their anti abortion stand with a belief in the death penalty. ...Pro lifers would have you believe that Pro Choice means Pro abortion but that is simply not true. The majority of Pro choice people are deeply saddened by the conditions in this country that create a need for abortion (rape, drugs, economic and family issues) and while they would never CHOOSE that option for themselves beleive it is a valid option. Anti-abortion and believe in death penalty.[color=blue]...How can that be? Easy. A child is an innocent life from the time of conception. Not when some man says it is! Death penalty - they made the choice to kill someone. Many admitted their crime. Why should they be allowed to live? Allowed to see another sunrise or sunset, watch tv, play sports, read books, etc....... when they took the life of another? If they live long enough, some even get out of prison! Why even have a death penalty if you're not going to kill the criminal? I can see allowing another trial in some cases, but IF they ADMIT they did it............that's it! I can forgive them, but there are consequences to pay for our actions. (That's why things keep getting worse - no one gets in trouble for what they do any more!) Tasker's Mom wrote: ......There are, I am sure, some zealots who will make their choice based on an emotional issue such as the abortion issue but I beleive the majority of the people in this country wake up in the morning worryin g about the economy and the war and not the future of the abortion issue in this country... Zealot here:.... The abortion issue is NOT what I'm basing my vote on.......but, its a big part of it. IF they are anti-abortion it tells me about their beliefs. I want a president and VP that respect the value of life. If they do, they will also respect the lives of our soldiers and will not lead them into harms way unless absolutely necessary. They will value the lives our seniors have left to live and try to make it a good one. If they value life, they will value our country and put it first, above all else. Tasker's Mom wrote: ...... I do care that she is using that pregnancy as a badge of honor to promote her pro life agenda..... Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was the news media that made a big deal out of that, trying to make her look like a bad mom. Tasker's Mom wrote: ...... I am greatly saddened by her obvious pride in sending her young son off to war. A Mother should weep over such a tragedy, no matter what you stand on the war in Iraq..... I would say she's beyond that point now, until the day he leaves. I tried my best to discourage our son from enlisting when we went to war over there the first time. He is not only our only son, he is our only child! Once I made all the negative comments I could think of, I was told, "Mom, I'm going." I was full of pride, even though I lost my battle. After that, I backed him 100%! The tears came the morning he left, the day we watched him graduate basic training, and as I watched him board the bus that day that was headed to the airport. I had always heard that they would not send your only son to battle, but I asked him if it came down to that what he wanted to do. He wanted to go. I told him okay, we wouldn't let that affect him. My love and my PRIDE for him was enough to let him go......regardless. But thank GOD, he never seen combat!!! His daddy served in Viet Nam, and I was and still am VERY proud of him and all the Viet Nam Vets!!! (And, all the other VET'S!!!) There is a time to cry, and a time NOT TO! Tasker's Mom wrote: ...... my personal opinion is that it is a very foolish choice to have 5 children and then abandon those children for a career in politics, especially when one of those children is a special needs child.... From what I've heard, politics would be the best choice of career with all the vacations and stuff they get. She'd be home with them more in politics than with another dad to day job. But, her kids are in school. The baby's not that old, do we know if she takes him to work with her or not when she can? If she's elected VP the kids will have even more supervision than they would if she was a stay at home mom. Tasker's Mom wrote: ...... In chosing Palin for VP the Republicans have disrespected every woman in this country.......I think once the hype surrounding the hockey mom gone politician calms a bit people will realize that htis country deserves better.
I know a lot of women that would disagree with you on the disrespect thing. We, so called, zealous, anti-abortion, gun packin', hockey mom types make up the majority of US women. The US does deserve better, but so far (impo), McCain and Palin are the best candidates we're being offered. Please note: I didn't single Tasker's Mom out. Her post just hit a lot of the same things I wanted to say - only the opposite. This is an across the table, in a calm voice conversation. I'm not upset and hope no one else is either. JMPO I would say, may the best team win, but we all know, they may not. |
| Well Pam, I don't think there is any possibility of the "best" team winning. Both sides have some pretty serious flaws! |
Tasker's Mom wrote: Well Pam, I don't think there is any possibility of the "best" team winning. Both sides have some pretty serious flaws!
Well said! |
Tasker's Mom wrote: Well Pam, I don't think there is any possibility of the "best" team winning. Both sides have some pretty serious flaws! Amen. |
| Lets face it we're in serious trouble no matter who's elected. |
Tasker's Mom wrote: Well Pam, I don't think there is any possibility of the "best" team winning. Both sides have some pretty serious flaws!
I agree. That's the fatal flaw of the two party system The "best" of both parties can't make it through the primaries. We really need a system that gives independent candidates a chance. |
| Of course the normal(?) person is in trouble - they are politicians!
Get into office and ride that gravy train! it is the same everywhere even under communism the politicians fail to adhere to the ideals. I say vote cynicism! |
| Everybody write me in as a candidate. I'll take care of you. |
| Mouthypf wrote:
.....I would say, may the best team win, but we all know, they may not.... Tasker's Mom wrote: ......Well Pam, I don't think there is any possibility of the "best" team winning. Both sides have some pretty serious flaws! You're absolutely right. You worded it much better than I did. I should've used the word "won't" instead of 'may not.' Thank you for correcting me. |
Tasker's Mom wrote: I am sure that Alaskans love her, but she can hardly take credit for the surplus of funds. Our Alaskan memebers have been posting about their "government checks" (can't remeber what they are called) since long before she came into office. She wasn't talking about the PFD which we get yearly. In addition to that, Alaskan are receiving a check for like 1400 (or something) which she helped to get so Alaskans can pay for their electricity bills that are high. Anyway, I completely agree on the children factor. It really bothers me as well that she is leaving her newborn special needs kid to a nanny. I really don't believe he will be coming to work or be mostly in her care. While her baby probably doesn't do much more than cry and eat now... I can't imagine not being there for my special needs kid as things get even more challenging. While tutors would do a significantly better job "teaching" her son, I'd want to be there as much as possible. Having worked with politicians and even THE VICE PRESIDENT, I know their hours don't end until much later than normal people and go extremely late "Regularly." Traveling is work based not leisure, so her kid would be more of a nuisance to those trying to work while flying, etc. ButtersStotch wrote: Everybody write me in as a candidate. I'll take care of you.
Oh boy. If anyone from our board ran, there would be some sort of OES package for Americans or something! |
ButtersStotch wrote: Everybody write me in as a candidate. I'll take care of you.
Does that mean you're old enough? |
Joahaeyo wrote: ButtersStotch wrote: Everybody write me in as a candidate. I'll take care of you. Oh boy. If anyone from our board ran, there would be some sort of OES package for Americans or something! Campaigning will commence immediately! |
| Lizzie has also decided to run. Her VP would be Pirate. Her campaign promise is a Pig Ear and Femur bone for all dogs, regardless of breed. She has promised not to declare war on cats, and to try and find a peaceful way to live with them. She has also vowed not to give freedom to uprights...they were put on this earth to serve dogs. |
Joahaeyo wrote: Anyway, I completely agree on the children factor. It really bothers me as well that she is leaving her newborn special needs kid to a nanny. I really don't believe he will be coming to work or be mostly in her care.
Have you considered that maybe her whole family - including her husband - will move to Washington? And her husband will be there for the baby? I don't have any inside information on this, but I personally know several families where the wives had larger incomes, so the husbands stay home and raise the kids. I find this debate really interesting because Palin's situation now is very comparable to the beginning of Biden's Senate career. His wife and children were in a car accident the December after he was elected and his wife passed away. Suddenly he became a single dad with one young son in the hospital. He wanted to resign his Senate position to care for his sons. And - people talked him into keeping his job. So he commuted home from DC to Delaware every night, and as Jo observed, politicians work long hours so even though it was a noble thought, I'm sure he got home long after those boys were asleep. So here we are 30 years later, and the press is saying that this politician should be home with her child. Is it because she's the mom and not the dad? Is it just political rhetoric? |
Bailey's Mom wrote: So here we are 30 years later, and the press is saying that this politician should be home with her child. Is it because she's the mom and not the dad? Is it just political rhetoric? Both?
I don't think anyone would be suggesting that Senator Obama stay home and care for his differently abled child... but they would of Michelle. |
ButtersStotch wrote: cheyennebuford wrote: I just dont like McCain and using a woman with her talent is so wrong in my book. She had the choice in joining him-- she wasn't forced. She's not an idiot so she knows what his motives are. I really don't think that's being used. yep vice president for the oldest president ever elected. wonder what that motive might be? |
Bailey's Mom wrote: Joahaeyo wrote: Anyway, I completely agree on the children factor. It really bothers me as well that she is leaving her newborn special needs kid to a nanny. I really don't believe he will be coming to work or be mostly in her care. Have you considered that maybe her whole family - including her husband - will move to Washington? And her husband will be there for the baby? Funny we were wondering how a production operator in the oil fields on Alaska’s North Slope and a life-long commercial fisherman in Bristol Bay and union member makes the switch to DC when his wife is vice president....... |
Bailey's Mom wrote: Have you considered that maybe her whole family - including her husband - will move to Washington? And her husband will be there for the baby?
That would definitely sit easier in my books!  I don't think you can like everything about some"one," but that's just something that immediately bothered me when the announcement was made that she'd be running for VP. |
ButtersStotch wrote: Everybody write me in as a candidate. I'll take care of you.
Who will take care of baby Owen while you are running the country? |
debcram wrote: Lizzie has also decided to run. Her VP would be Pirate. Her campaign promise is a Pig Ear and Femur bone for all dogs, regardless of breed.
She has promised not to declare war on cats, and to try and find a peaceful way to live with them. She has also vowed not to give freedom to uprights...they were put on this earth to serve dogs. Best option in my opinion judging how our cats treat the hound with utter contempt! the hounds would loose |
| Usually don't discuss politics. Being a military family for 13 years, you just don't discuss. No matter who the Commander in Chief is, that is your boss and you didn't discuss. My husband lost his military job to the clintons (i won't even bother to capitalize their names)... She sickens me to no end i cringe.
We had been so better off the past (my family anyway) 7 years until this election year has come around. My husband is now home from his job because everything is closing down oversea's and they are waiting for a) Ramadan to be over and b) the fiscal year to start new and c) this election to get over with (as am i sick to death of it 18 months is rediculous!) We are looking each day for a new job for him......hopefully something will come open October 1. In the meantime, I sit and wonder how we will pay our mortgage, or put gas in the car. Much less go to a dog show.....Our neighbors have offered me a job which i am taking. Thankfully i have some of my income from investments that will help.... won't pay it all but ...... I have never been more PROUD of Sarah Palin and John McCain. I hope the two of them DO win..........and I know that with McCain's military background our country WILL have someone that KNOWS how to take care of us........ especially with this thought of the cold war returning with Russia right now. And this is from somone who remembers doing the drills from hiding in the crawl spaces under my elementary school during the bay of pigs....... and watching Nakita pound on the desk with his shoe on the evening news...... 9/11 happened because the Clinton's didn't stand the watch and get rid of Bin Laden when Col. Oliver North told him he was the most evil person on this earth......... 9/11 didn't happen because of the Bush's.... he just happened to reap what Clinton refused to take care of on HIS watch. And yes, I will say..... and I am proud of having grown up in Midland Texas (as ugly as it was) with the Bush's....... my mother was OUR PRESIDENT"s cub scout leader along with Ms. Barbara (his mother) and my brother.... Now, I've had my once a time outbreak on politcal speech.... i'll go back to lurking mode. |
Ali wrote: ........I have never been more PROUD of Sarah Palin and John McCain. I hope the two of them DO win..........and I know that with McCain's military background our country WILL have someone that KNOWS how to take care of us........ especially with this thought of the cold war returning with Russia right now. And this is from somone who remembers doing the drills from hiding in the crawl spaces under my elementary school during the bay of pigs....... and watching Nakita pound on the desk with his shoe on the evening news......
9/11 happened because the Clinton's didn't stand the watch and get rid of Bin Laden when Col. Oliver North told him he was the most evil person on this earth......... 9/11 didn't happen because of the Bush's.... he just happened to reap what Clinton refused to take care of on HIS watch. Now, I've had my once a time outbreak on politcal speech.... i'll go back to lurking mode. NO! DON'T GO NOW!! YOU JUST GOT STARTED!! Most people (not all) don't realize all the chances we had to "take care of" Bin Laden and why we DIDN'T!!! That he was within sight and our military was waiting on orders to "take care of" that problem, but NEVER got them! They didn't DEMAND respect from our enemies, and we paid a high price for it! We need a President with "b_lls." We also need the draft again. We ask WAY too much of our guys and gals now. |
Ali wrote: 9/11 happened because the Clinton's didn't stand the watch and get rid of Bin Laden when Col. Oliver North told him he was the most evil person on this earth......... 9/11 didn't happen because of the Bush's.... he just happened to reap what Clinton refused to take care of on HIS watch. Now, I've had my once a time outbreak on politcal speech.... i'll go back to lurking mode. That is the most ridiculous thing I have every heard, an excuse conjured up by the Republican party to excuse it's own lies and failings. Clinton tried to deal with Bin Laden and was stopped at every turn. 911 happened because Bush and others lied to the American public. I've decided that I care too much about this forum to continue in political discussions of any kind so from this point on will refrain from comment. Everyone is entitled to their opinion when it comes to political candidates and there are pros and cons to each person. BUT THIS post is one of those "stories" spread by Republicans trying to absolve themselves of the death of 4000 Americans and simply makes my blood boil. http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/24/ ... index.html |
Tasker's Mom wrote: I've decided that I care too much about this forum to continue in political discussions of any kind so from this point on will refrain from comment. I agree - I really don't want political discussions on the forum and keep trying to stay away - its like an accident scene 
I am disappointed so many people are just repeating sound bites and have no real idea what they are talking about. I do understand all politics is local and the biggest indicator of how people vote is their pocketbook, but come on now let's get real. Oops sorry not going to comment was I |
| Actually, if I recall it was Abu Ben Nidal that Ollie North warned about, not Osama Bin Laden. Not that I recall the speech from the time; I remember reading about it on urban myths or some such site around 6 years ago. |
| Ali, I am sorry that things are so difficult for your family right now, and hope that the situation improves for you very soon.
Yes, political discussions on a dog friendly forum are like a train wreck.....you don't want to watch, but you can't help it!
Here's the thing. While this current administration literally turns my stomach, there is some truth to what Ali says about Pres. Clinton's responsibility for 9/11, as he did make cuts in the CIA's budget, which in turn hampered our ability to gather and analyze intelligence. However, Bush was in office for over a year and a half before the attacks, so he certainly bears some responsibility as well. After knowing that Osama Bin Laden is the mastermind behind the attacks 7 years ago, why hasn't he been caught? Who can we blame for that? Certainly not the Clintons. Instead of finishing the job in Afghanistan and dealing with Saudi Arabia (where 15 of the hijackers were spawned, home country of Osama himself), Bush decided to invade Iraq, and concentrate all of our military and financial resources there. And here we are, 5 years later, no closer to getting Bin Laden, and the Taliban gaining a stronghold in Afghanistan again because we didn't finish the job we started there. Okay, hopping off my soapbox again. I bet it's not too difficult to figure out who I am voting for in November.
Laurie |
Ali wrote: We had been so better off the past (my family anyway)
The bush administration has been a boon to the military machine and the economy it supports. Looking outside of that to the economy that runs this country everyday, not so much, unless you work for an oil company. It's hard to take a global look at a problem while your family is suffering, (and being jobless does create a tremendous amount of personal suffering). Non-military people have been dealing with layoffs and cronic unemployement for a greater period of time than those caught in the recent Iraq war downsizing. Let's not forget, the current economic situation didn't materialize in the last six months, it's taken years to take the US economy from a booming, vital, world competitor with a govt surplus to the dismal state of affairs where even military families are unemployed. Mr. bush/rebulican party doesn't have much of a withdrawl plan for the returning,displaced military folks that have served his mission so well. But then he didn't have much of a plan to keep anyone else employed in a growing economy either. |
Tasker's Mom wrote: 911 happened because Bush and others lied to the American public.
Huh? The attack on 9/11 happened because Islamic extremists hate the United States and everything we stand for. Politicians and the media can go back and forth trying to blame one political faction, or figure out who should have prevented it. But all that is just nonsense. When a dedicated group of terrorists creates a long term plan to cause a maximum amount of damage, they are the ones to blame. Not the incumbent president, or the former president. We can disagree about how to protect the American people from another attack, but I hope we can all agree that protection is needed. There will be another attack someday - 9/11 was not the first, it was just the most devastating. C'mon Guest, man up. If you're going to express your opinion, sign your name |
| Since this has turned out to be the election thread - check out this web site.
You put in a key word and then see how many times the presidential candidates have used in their speeches during the campaign. Speech Wars - http://www.speechwars.com/index.php |
| Everyone knows the government was responsible for 9/11. Planes didn't even crash. The WTC collapsed from a controlled demolition and fighter jets shot down the plane in PA. It wasn't even a plane that crashed in the Pentagon, it was a controlled missile from our own government.
Oh, wait. I'm sorry, I thought we were all sharing crazy conspiracy theories. We should probably just stop talking politics and talk about Owen. He's all I talk about anymore! |
Quote: We should probably just stop talking politics and talk about Owen. He's all I talk about anymore!
If anyone can get this topic cooled down it's that sweety-boy!!!!!!  |
ButtersStotch wrote: We should probably just stop talking politics and talk about Owen. He's all I talk about anymore! I vote Owen for President  
Any one second the nomination??? |
cheyennebuford wrote: ButtersStotch wrote: We should probably just stop talking politics and talk about Owen. He's all I talk about anymore! I vote Owen for President Any one second the nomination??? He would just bite everyone with his needle sharp teeth. At least he's cute though. |
| If people don't engage in political debate - because differing opinions can lead to upset, then it only allows politicians to run things the way they do because the populous are to scared to stand up and take a real stand on what they believe in.
I always say you have to make hard decissions in life, rather than blame others for them take responsibilities for your own actions both the good and the bad. Because so many people act apathetically allows the politicians to get in the positions that they do. If you feel strongly about something then stand up and say so. If you live in a democracy that is |
Bailey's Mom wrote: ....C'mon Guest, man up. If you're going to express your opinion, sign your name
Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:22 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ali wrote: ........Now, I've had my once a time outbreak on politcal speech.... i'll go back to lurking mode. Guest wrote: NO! DON'T GO NOW!! YOU JUST GOT STARTED!! Most people (not all) don't realize all the chances we had to "take care of" Bin Laden and why we DIDN'T!!! That he was within sight and our military was waiting on orders to "take care of" that problem, but NEVER got them! They didn't DEMAND respect from our enemies, and we paid a high price for it! We need a President with "b_lls." We also need the draft again. We ask WAY too much of our guys and gals now.......... I don't have a problem signing my name to my post. Just forget to sometimes. Sorry. But, the other unsigned posts belong to ??? |
Ron wrote: Actually, if I recall it was Abu Ben Nidal that Ollie North warned about, not Osama Bin Laden. Not that I recall the speech from the time; I remember reading about it on urban myths or some such site around 6 years ago.
Ron he said that about him too....... however, the one hearing I remember was when they were grilling Col. North about why he had put up the security system around his own home that he had, and that was where he commented because Osama Ben Ladin was the most evil man he knew on this earth..... at the time i thought...... who would have a name like that and who was this guy? (not Col. North). that was about the time I had just married the military, along with Norm, and Norm may have even been out on a float at that time in the Gulf...... And to think he cannot wait until Logcap IV opens up and he can 'get back to work'...... I would love to visit the Holy Lands and see that area, but i don't think we will ever be able to go again, at least not in my lifetime. |
Sarah, the action figure.
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| Yeah, Ali, that was a false rumor on the net. I remember it way back then, too.
The name wasn't Abu Ben Nidal, it was just Abu Nidal. Bin Laden was an Afghan "Freedom Fighter" at the time working on the "same side" (against the Soviet Union) as the US. This is the Ollie North speech you recall: http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/ollie.pdf Quote: The issue of the security system was first broached immediately after a threat on my life by Abu Nidal. Abu Nidal is, as I am sure you on the Intelligence Committees know, the principal, foremost assassin in the world today. He is a brutal murderer. When I was first alerted to that threat by the Federal Bureau of Investigations in late April, I was simply told that there was a threat that had been promulgated by Abu Bakar, who is the press spokesman for the Fatah Revolutionary Council, which is the name of the Abu Nidal group. He targeted me for assasination. Now I want you to know that I would be more than willing -and if anybody else is watching oversees, and I am sure they are-I will be glad to meet Abu Nidal on equal terms anywhere in the world. OK? There is an even deal for him. But I am not willing to have my wife and my four children meet... |
mouthypf wrote: But, the other unsigned posts belong to ???
ME! Sorry, I was sitting in an emergency room in Richardson TX waiting to have my broken foot xrayed. I was a bit distracted and forgot to log in. My comments are still the same logged in or out. It's difficult to look outside your own life when it's in crisis, but there are a lot of folks in all walks of life that have lost a great deal from the mismangement of our countries economy the past 7 years. Now all I'm concerned about is being able to limp through a big airport and getting a flight out of Houston before the storm hits.  |
| ^^^
I'm sorry about your foot!!! I had my emergency room scare monday. Was no fun waiting 4 hrs then 2 hrs in the back room. Anyway, hope you get out of Houston. I remember when Rita was here, we couldn't get a flight out that connected to houston to save our life! The GFDL showed it possibly hitting over Galveston, so hope your flight is soon. |
Joahaeyo wrote: I had my emergency room scare monday. Was no fun waiting 4 hrs then 2 hrs in the back room.
Yikes, hope everyone is OK! I can highly recommend the ER at Presbyterian in Plano. Hope you never need it. |
Sheeps over Aces wrote: .....Now all I'm concerned about is being able to limp through a big airport and getting a flight out of Houston before the storm hits....
Sorry about your foot! I hope you make it to a place of safety soon, and I keep praying that the Lord will calm the winds before they hit land. I hope you're all spared major distruction of property. Just get out of there safely! That's all that matters! |
Joahaeyo wrote: Sarah, the action figure.
I would like to say that that is one of the scariest dolls I have ever seen
I hope Palin is offended. WOW that is quite the skirt she has on there |
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