RHOAD'S OES for you

Does anyone have any knowledge or experience with Betty Ditzik of Rhoad's Sheepdogs for you in Ypsilanti, Michigan
website: http://www.sheepdogs4you.com

I am really trying to find a quality puupy.
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alinamarie,

It is always best to buy from a reputable breeder, or to adopt a rescue.
What state are you in?

Here are some helpful links:


http://www.oldenglishsheepdogclubofamerica.org/

http://www.oldenglishsheepdogclubofamer ... rescue.htm

http://www.oldenglishsheepdogclubofamer ... nglish.htm
What a cool site. I love the pic she has with a Yorkshire Terrier sitting on top of her OES.

http://www.sheepdogs4you.com/photogallery.htm
Hi,

Thanks for the link to the photo gallery Joahaeyo - I enjoyed checking the site and the pic you mentioned was adorable.

For Alinamarie - I would contact the Sheepdog club of America and ask them their views of this kennel, as her website shows her to be a member. I was impressed by the site and it appears to be a reputable kennel.

Another option is to phone the American Kennel Society (I just looked it up on the net and called) when I wanted a pup and asked them for REPUTABLE breeders. The president of the society gave me several numbers for me to contact.

Don't be put off by the questions - it's very much like a job interview. A reputable breeder will want to know all about you. They do this to protect their pups and decrease the likelihood that one of their boys/girls will end up in a shelter or unwanted after a year. A reputable kennel makes you sign a form to return the pup to them should you ever find you can no longer keep the dog. They will sell dogs of pet or show quality but again a form should be signed for the spay and neuter if the dog is considered of pet quality. They care about breed standard and the dogs, it's not just about the money. So, the more questions they ask of you the better it is in my opinion.

Good luck and can't wait to hear when you get a pup!
I think it's interesting that she charges $1200 for "pet quality" and $1500 for "show quality". It's hard to tell physically if a dog will actually be "show worthy" until it's about 6-8 months, unless it has an obvious non-standard marking.
Differences in show and pet quality pricing have been pretty standard when I have been looking, well for my kitties anyways. Iris was 150 more, because she was show quality- gorgeous markings, great bones... I was going to show her in alter class- except she ran into the couch chasing a sibling and suffered permanent facial damage. Poor baby! Bell was less than her "show quality" brother, but actually grew up to be better looking (more typey, and closer to standard) than her sibling, or the cat from the previous litter the breeder kept. Usually, if you buy a show potential animal, you are planning on showing and breeding that animal, along with having a non-restricted registration. If only buying a "show quality" animal as a pet, talk to the breeder to see if she/he will give you the pet price if you will complete a spay/alter contract, rather than the "show" copntrasct the animal would normally come with. Yes, it is hard to tell if an animal will "pan out" or not... I guess caveat empor, if you're buying to show, do even more research than you normally would. So I personally wouldn't necessarily disclude a breeder who charges different prices for pet and show animals. I'd be more worried about someone who is basing pricing on eye or coat color, vs. show potential. If someone is charging more for a blue eyed pup, or an all white headed pup or something, I'd start to worry!

Karen :)
Iriskmj wrote:
So I personally wouldn't necessarily disclude a breeder who charges different prices for pet and show animals. I'd be more worried about someone who is basing pricing on eye or coat color, vs. show potential. If someone is charging more for a blue eyed pup, or an all white headed pup or something, I'd start to worry!

Karen :)


Absolutely! I couldn't agree more Karen! Basing pricing on coloring (white head / blue eyes) is a major RED FLAG! This would make me think they were attempting to breed for this coloration - which also could cause problems with deafness (since the white gene relates to hearing and vision problems) and they are obviously in it more for money than anything else - since they are breeding for the more "popular" markings.

You can't guarantee a show quality pup - but you can disqualify pups right off the bat - underbites, overbites, imperfections that would make them less successful in the ring, etc. My sister's basset hounds come from a very reputable and successful show breeder - when she got her first puppy - they knew he wouldn't be a contender for the show ring because he had an overbite - otherwise they may have decided to keep him for themselves. I don't recall if they charged differently - but they could tell which dogs wouldn't be show quality.

The other thing to consider is - a show quality pup could potentially be used for breeding if you have a contract that allows for that (making them more expensive) - where a pet quality pup may not be (even though they may be wonderful pets - there's alot to consider in selecting breeding stock).

JMHO.
Kristen
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These are photos of the puppy that we are expecting in Feb.

I am nervous about buying a puppy that I have not met and have attempted due diligence researching kennels.

Her mom is Annie (Rhoads New Millenium) from her site:
http://www.sheepdogs4you.com/annie.htm

and her father is

GrayM,AM&Canadian Champion,LadyKin's Justa Gray M Cracker.

Any advice here?
Hi,
I only found 1 photo in the incoming directory, but I did find an email (with no photos) from the breeder (from the Kodak.com site)to you. If you just forward that email to me at webmaster @ oes.org I can put up the rest for you.

I visited sheepdogs4you.com and her "friend's site" at wigglebottomfarm.com. Both sites were developed by the same web design firm.

Sheepdogs4you claims to have 3 litters per year, and wigglebottomfarm claims 2 per year.

What troubles me about both sites is that neither lists any pedigree info. While not a hard and fast rule, pedigree info on the site is an indicator that the person is more of a hobbyist than a breeder-for-money.

Also, on the sheepdogsforyou site, there are 4 champion dogs listed, stating that your pups will be from champion lines. While this may or may not be true, there is NO pedigree info about their "current stud dog" Teddy. In fact none of the dogs shown as champions/show dogs appear anywhere else on the site.
SHOW DOGS:
Champ
Bently
Maggie
Colby
CURRENT DOGS: (5 bitches, 1 dog)
Teddy
Katie
Annie
Pansy
Rosie
Daisy

I have no experience with either kennel.
This stud dog is GrayM,AM&Canadian Champion,LadyKin's Justa Gray M Cracker
Well- the pup looks utterly adorable. But then don't take my word for it- to me, all sheepie pups are utterly adorable! As for problems taking pictures- if she isn't very techno savvy, yeah I could see that. some people just aren't good with electronics. I guess if you're worried, ask for a reference contact, from someone the kennel has already sold to.

Karen :)
Don't base your judgement on the breeder on the picture taking abilities. Did you get references and/or check them out via OESCA (just because they are members isn't enough - get some references).
Snapshots would be fine and most breeders can't show off their puppies enough.
I doubt it's a reluctance! I would be more concerned if they had pictures plasted all over the website selling their puppies. She doesn't show the puppies at all and doesn't mention the litter - she asks that you contact her - which seems to be more responsible to me.

Just my opinion...

Kristen
Hey stacey- thanks for that link! I'm gonna snitch it and save it for when I'm looking! (Now not till autumn! Sniffle. Darn mortgage deposits!)

Karen :)
Yeah Stacey - thanks for that link. I was doing a little snooping on Presley's breeder (using that term loosely) - because she recently advertised a litter and said they were OFA Certified. She hasn't had any dogs certified since 2001 and you can really tell the difference in a quality reputable breeder and her -just by the listings.

2 of the dogs she has listed are both DOB of 8/17/99 - but they are only listed as HALF SIBLINGS (DAM). I'm still trying to figure out how they managed that one. :wink:

Kristen, Presley & Sydney
Your diligence has really helped allay my nervousness about buying a puppy without meeting her. I have high expectations for a companion for our family and would hate to have made a mistake in the selection.
Also, stacey, can you forward me the photos when you receive them. I love pictures!
Alinamarie,

I hope everything works out well. A responsible breeder has alot going on - while raising a litter of OES - so I'd be thankful that she was spending her time away from the pictures/email and working on raising my puppy properly!

Keep us posted!
Kristen
if the stud is from Ladykin, I would think your puppy would be great. Ladykin is a prominent breeder here in Canada. She is EXTREMELY picky on who gets her dogs. So I would think she would be equally picky on who uses her studs.
All the best with your new puppy.
Ladykin is Dr. Sandra Crowne... she is also a contact for rescue and foster for NEOESR ....
Dr. Sandra Crowne(Ladykin) is THE rescue for OES here in Ontario. This is WHY she is so picky on where her pups go...she has seen too many OES not work out. I think this is also the reason why there are no OES on petfinder for Ontario. I think all the shelters automatically call her when they get an OES in.
Thank you so much for posting the OFA site. I'm a bit concerned now that the breeder I am working with has 2 out of the 3 dogs she owns (a male and a female) registered on the OFA site but the 3rd dog (the one my puppy is coming from) is not listed. Should I be overly concerned that there might be something wrong with her hips if she isn't listed on the site? I felt very confident about this breeder initially and still do believe she's quite reputable (I've spoken with her vet and 2 other references, seen the pedigrees, asked a billion questions, spent months finding the right breeder, etc.) but the OFA site has made me nervous! Help! What should I do?
Ask her about it! Did she tell you the dog was OFA certified? If so - she would be on this site (unless she has a name different than you've selected). Get the Dam's Registration # from the breeder and look it up that way.

All breeders have a Vet - even the puppy mills - not all Vets are reputable - so please don't assume that a reference from a Vet means a hill of beans.

Kristen
Link to OFA testing records
http://www.offa.org/search.html
BritPresSyd wrote:
Ask her about it! Did she tell you the dog was OFA certified? If so - she would be on this site (unless she has a name different than you've selected). Get the Dam's Registration # from the breeder and look it up that way.

All breeders have a Vet - even the puppy mills - not all Vets are reputable - so please don't assume that a reference from a Vet means a hill of beans.

Kristen


Yes, she did tell me that the dog was OFA certified. I am quite sure this is not a puppy mill or a broker I'm dealing with. Like I said, 2 of the 3 dogs she owns are registered there, so I'm sure there's a reason why this other dog is not listed. I will definitely ask her what the story is behind it. I did a HUGE amount of research on breeders so I'm still fairly confident things will work out, I just do not want any unforseen medical issues arising.
I just wanted to say, whether it means anything or not, that I have been corresponding with her.

She is one of the few people that even though I said I may look elsewhere and wasn't ready for a Sheepie ....still wanted my number to get to know me and ask ME questions.

We all know good breeders should ask "you" questions. However, it doesn't happen often from MY experience. If you can compare how obsessive I am with just finding out I may be a Sheepie owner ...imagine how obsessive I was when it came to researching/emailing breeders.

My point is, she was not ready to just let me adopt a pup from ONE EMAIL like most of the very well-known CHAMPION breeders (I do not know her status w/her dogs, just that a few others I contacted are well admired here and in the show ring).

I am just sharing that she came off as someone who was truly concerned about where her dogs went and not someone who would just "sell for profit."

This was just an observation.
P.S. This is not who I am getting my dog from. Our timing was not right. Though I totally would from what I know after MANY emails and her nice phone call.


However, I did find another lovely lady I am corresponding with who just happens to be in the other debate on this forum (Oak Ridge Acres in Graantsburg, Wisconsin). lol She has answered all of my questions including about the mother and father of pups and is sending pics. She is having her husband hand deliver my angel to moi next week. Lucky me since I live all the way in TX. :P
Joahaeyo wrote:
My point is, she was not ready to just let me adopt a pup from ONE EMAIL like most of the very well-known CHAMPION breeders (I do not know her status w/her dogs, just that a few others I contacted are well admired here and in the show ring).


This is an unfair statement. MOST well-known Champion breeders would not SELL a puppy to someone through one email.

Kristen
Okay, maybe so :(

But I do know that if I did a search right now for a popular site that lists top champion show breeders only, the first 4 that come up (talked about on this board before) ...wanted to.

But it's me!!!! ;) JUSTTTTT KIDDING ;) ;)

I'm just impressed that she asked for my number and actively pursued talking to me. Nothing on my part either and fully knowing I could not have an OES (at the time). It was all her ...wanting to make sure I was making the right decisions overall. :)
My point is, she was not ready to just let me adopt a pup from ONE EMAIL like most of the very well-known CHAMPION breeders (I do not know her status w/her dogs, just that a few others I contacted are well admired here and in the show ring).

The well known breeders require a interview not a phone call. I have no idea where you got your facts.
They may have been interested in selling you a puppy - but I doubt they would have just sold you one without knowing anything about you and/or checking references. Also - that's 4 Breeders - out of how many? That doesn't really qualify for a blanket statement of "MOST Champion Breeders".

Kristen
I phoned Sandra Crowne today. She provided the sire for my Rhoads puppy. She felt confident about Rhoads betterment breeding program and was familiar with her dogs' handling and performance in the ring.

Sandra had nothing but glowing remarks about the quality of her dogs.

I finally feel confident to proceed (I hear all those exasperated shouts of FINALLY) and await my new little girl early in February.
Good for you alina :) So the countdown begins!!! This is so exciting!!! :)
Congrats, Alinamarie! :D I can't wait to hear all about her, and to see more pictures!

Stormi and co.
me too! YAY For you. Can't wait to see the puppy pics.


I'm thrilled to hear your decision!
We have a 6 month old male from a breeder in Ohio, Teddy is the father. You could not ask for a sweeter, more fun loving disposition out of a dog of any kind. By the way, he also is quite intelligent with great coloring! Feel free to contact me for more info or pictures. t61vance@yahoo.com
Willowsprite wrote:
Link to OFA testing records
http://www.offa.org/search.html


Thanks for that link! :) Honeslty, I didn't know about Jasper's parents hips. We just felt everything was right so we didn't even ask. I did a quick search of the names on his pedigree and almost all of them are good and excellent. Whew! The worst I saw was a fair, so no terrible ones. Definitely a relief. :) That was something I was really wondering about once I started reading this forum!
we purchased a oes from betty last year. we picked her up on memorial
day weekend. Betty is very loving to all her puppies and i think she would be an excellent choice. her puppies are clean and she runs a tip top enviorment. our little bagetalle is the joy of our life. she is our 4th oes
and so far she is our best. she will be 1 year old next month.
alinamarie wrote:
Does anyone have any knowledge or experience with Betty Ditzik of Rhoad's Sheepdogs for you in Ypsilanti, Michigan
website: http://www.sheepdogs4you.com

I am really trying to find a quality puupy.


I got the love ❤️ of my life from Betty 8 years ago!! Her puppies are
beautiful, and healthy!! You would be lucky to have one of her puppies.
She is a pleasure to deal with!! Good Luck!! :wag: wag:
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