still wild at 5 yrs

Eli is a 5 year old OES. He is VERY funloving, too much. No one sees him when he's calm and resting or obeying every command. When others are around (people and dogs) he's a split personality!! He is totally obnoxious and won't even consider minding us. He acts as if he cannot remember anything he's been taught. With us he is very obedient and not at all ADD until someone comes to the door then he goes totally psycho... jumping and running around. He doesn't jump on the person but just up and down in front of them. He runs to get a toy for them to play, he insists they cooperate. He doesn't take no for an answer and he usually winds up getting his way from guests and us too. The neighborhood tolerates him because he's cute but his overactive large body terrifies small animals and some people too. He isn't aggressive at all unless he's on a leash and doesn't get to stop and play. HELP!![/b]
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He doesn't take no for an answer and he usually winds up getting his way from guests and us too.

Dogs are smart... they test limits and find things that work. He's found that people will eventually give in to him if he does certain things so he's continuing to do them. Everyone has to be on the same page with training... even friends and strangers.

With the help of some very patient friends :wink:, I'd try to change the behavior. You might try having your friends immediately turn their back on him and leave the yard or room at the first inkling of this unacceptable behavior. Once he's calm again, the friends again come back. This is repeated until the little light bulb in his head comes on and he understands that people are leaving because he's not calm. Maybe the friends can play with him after he's been calm... but not when he's demanding the interaction.
Dutch has been a plain pain in the a.. when company comes, well today my sister came for a visit and I decided enough was enough (well almost)
so I gated her at an opening that comes into the kitchen, she barked, whined and fiddled around and we ignored her while we sat at the table in full view of her and had our tea and talked while ignoring her completley , got a bit wearing on the nerves but as soon as she got quiet after about 10 min. I waited for a few minutes more then I let her out and told her what a good girl she was. and she didn't jump up, push your arm with her nose for attention etc., etc., she behaved almost like a little lady. so untill she learns thats how she should act that what will be happening to her.Now I have to work on her greeting people at the door :lol:
When we first got our two pups ten years ago, they were a lot like you describe. At home they were zen, obedient, and amazing. In public all bets were off.

Obedience classes were great. They were the stars of the show (okay, twin OES will steal any show anyway, but they WERE really good). As soon as we hit the parking lot all bets were off.

When I was talking about it to our vet, he suggested that we use his waiting room for obedience training. (It wasn't huge, but there was a little space.) He said come down any time, and just hang out there. Once the dogs are used to the chaos, start doing some obedience practice in the waiting room. He said that he encourages all his clients to do so.

It was a great place for practising, and the staff all knew and loved our dogs, so they would "help" when they walked by by not giving any attention when the boys were jumping around and acting crazy.

We did it for a bit, and it made a real difference. I'm not saying that they were perfect, but they started listening to us in public, and we used the same commands (a sit and a stay) when people came to the door as we had practiced when the techs walked by in the office, and ended up with great dogs to have around.

We hosted the annual work Christmas Party for the last eight years, and my dogs were there for all eight of them - never kenneled or locked away. They'd politely greet people at the door and then go sit somewhere nearby but out of the way. I never, ever thought we'd get there, but my vet's invitation made a world of difference.

Now, when I'm there for appointments, I often see other people and their dogs doing the same thing.

You might want to see if your vet is open to it. It sure made a world of difference for us, and was a great place to do distraction training in a fairly safe setting.
crazy eli wrote:
With us he is very obedient and not at all ADD until someone comes to the door then he goes totally psycho... jumping and running around. He doesn't jump on the person but just up and down in front of them. He runs to get a toy for them to play, he insists they cooperate. He doesn't take no for an answer and he usually winds up getting his way from guests and us too.

I laughed out loud. Bailey has exactly the same door/new guest behavior. I can get him to sit before I open the door, but once the door is open - all discipline goes out the window (hahaha). I just started a new training technique this week. I brought a container of treats to the table near the door. Now when the doorbell rings, I yell over the riotous barking for him to sit while getting a treat out of the container. He's pretty food motivated, so I'm hoping that the act of opening the container will become associated with sitting in the correct spot, away from the door. This approach has worked for his crate - he has special treats for going into his crate and when the lid comes off that container ---> he runs to his crate! So I'm hoping that I can improve to door behavior with the same approach.

I don't know if it will work but I figured I'd share. Good Luck!
Yup mine to they turn themselves inside out. I put them out side for 5 minutes and let them in if they do it again out they go. They learn to pipe it down real fast. And I have to throw treats out to get them out....Sami is clicking into this but Blue is our pig. Works for now. But getting one out is easier then 2. :roll:
Chauncey ( 2 1/2 ) had all of these bad behaviors until 2 months ago. We started 2 remodeling projects at the same time, a patio and a total bathroom remodel. The first week with Chaunce was trying, but after 2 months of construction crews he doesn't even look up to see which one is coming through the door. He does have his favorites...the plumber's parents showed OES for decades, and the electrician. He will sneek in for a quick kiss from these two and will come out to me. If he tries to go in for another pet, we will give him the " get back here ".
Now here's the shocker for those of you familiar with Chauncey's antic's....he obeys right away 8O .
I wish we'd have done these projects when he was 6 months old.
I believe, on this forum, it was suggested to put the dog in another room when the guest arrive and then let the dog enter the room once the guest had some in and hung up their coats ect. It has something to do with the do entering the space instead of the people entering the dogs space. I have done this with violet and it works great. However, when the doorbell rings, and I'm not expecting anyone, I have Violet answer the door with me. :D
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