![]() ![]() The simple fact is that any breed with large and floppy ear flaps that totally cover the ear canal opening will be prone to ear infections and dirt/wax build-ups. If we want Bobtails’ in our lives (and who on earth wouldn't? ![]() ![]() ![]() A brief word of caution though. When cleaning and drying ears you will be prodding your finger(s) quite deeply into your dog's ear canals which while deep are quite narrow, and the skin is very sensitive, thus easily damaged. ![]() ![]() ![]() In my opinion there are 3 important factors in OES ear hygiene, necessary to provide comfort to the dog and avoid infection and/or "smelly ears". ![]() First is hair removal. It is essential that the dead and broken hair in the ear canal be plucked regularly to prevent it from totally clogging the ear canal which prevents air circulation and drying of any moisture. Excess hair also causes overheating. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() It is often difficult to get a good grip on the ear hair due to wax and oil build-up in the canal and on the hair itself. There are several solutions available, my choice is the use of isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol. Using the 99% alcohol wet a cotton puff ( ![]() The other choice is one of the ear drying powders. There are quite a number of brands available and all work reasonably well. Check your local stores for what is available and once you have found one that works without any side effects settle on it. ( ![]() The second factor in ear care is cleaning. With most of the hair removed effective cleaning is now, and only now, a possibility. Cleaning requires swabbing very deep into the ear canal with Q'Tips. PLEASE HAVE A VET OR PROFESSIONAL GROOMER SHOW YOU AND HELP THE FIRST TIME OR TWO. YOU CAN EASILY RUPTURE AN EARDRUM IF YOU PROD ABOUT TO VIGOUROUSLY OR DEEPLY. ![]() ![]() ![]() Lastly but equally important is drying the ear. Bobtail ears are naturally warm humid places prone to nasties ![]() ![]() At this point the ear should be free of loose and dead hair, clean and dry. ![]() ![]() ![]() I recommend cleaning and drying every three days, no more than 4. In particularly rainy periods or hot and humid climates or if you are experiencing build-ups and smelly ears you might need to increase to every two days or even daily. (Bobtail ears always have some odour but you shouldn't notice it if the ear flaps are down or from more than a few feet when open.) Plucking the hair, depending on the specific dog, is pretty much a weekly task, just maybe 10 days but never more. (Note that once you have done the initial plucking and have the ear canals in a good hair-reduced and cleaned condition plucking at every 7-10 days is going to be a much less intense and laborious task. ![]() Some care of the underside of the ear flap is also required, and clipping all the hair off is not a very good solution. The stubble is really irritating and causes the dog to shake excessively, sometimes causing hematomas ![]() ![]() ![]() The other thing I have done, but is a bit touchy with many dogs ![]() Long winded as this explanation may be, actually cleaning the ears will be much faster than reading it ![]() Carl |
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Carl,
Your posts are better than OES Books I've read - you should write a Care & Maintenance of OES Book!!!! Thank you! Kristen |
Carl,
How did you know that this issue has been on my mind lately? Kudos! Jil |
floofdog wrote: Carl, That's funny!
How did you know that this issue has been on my mind lately? Kudos! I was rubbing Mulligan's ears after he was scratching at one and yelped when Carl's post appeared, as if on cue. LOL |
There needs to be an emoticon that is BOWING! Thank you, Carl. It was very nice to see a post this well informed. I will have to let you know if Jack and Annabelle are as thrilled with the post as I am after they get an ear session tonight. I will let you all know how they like it. ![]() Thanks again. Stormi and co. |
All,
When I got home last night Michele noted a few minor omissions in my original post ![]() ![]() Firstly when cleaning the ear, especially with the Q-Tips your dog is going to shake his/her head because of how peculiar, and occassionally irritating the cleaning can feel ![]() ![]() ![]() Second after plucking and cleaning your dog's ears are going to feel "different" to him/her. They will naturally shake and "paw" at their ears more than usual for the remainder of the day and possibly the next day as well. As long as there are no scratches/cuts to the ear canal skin and the ear flap skin has not been dried or irritated by alcohol this does not indicate a problem ![]() Don't hesitate to e-mail for more information or details. Carl |
Wow. 'nough said. |
Carl, I found using an ear powder first helped immensely. It made it so much easier to grasp a fingerful of hair and pluck, and with the powder it didn't seem to irritate the dog as much either.
Do you ever use ear powders? Should I be using them? |
WillowSprite,
Ear powders work very well for many many people and if they are what works for you and Dancer then by all means continue their use. As I tried to point out I have tried ear powders a few times but for -ME- they are less effective and less easy to distribute evenly throughout the ear than the alcohol method I have described. Somewhere along the line during cleaning the ear after plucking is complete you will need to loosen dried wax/dirt from the ear canal skin. I doubt that powder is very effective at that. Carl |
I usually use powder to pluck the ears, and then alcohol to clean the wax.... I just really like the grip the powder allows me to get, even if it is a little redundant to use both...lol... |
Carl- I'm gathering info at this point (no puppy yet). Are electrical hair trimmers ( the human ear and nose ones come to mind) appropriate to use for trimming inner ear hair?
Karen ![]() |
Karen,
It is always good to hear of someone researching this breed properly before "jumping in" ![]() ![]() I would very strongly caution ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Human ear/nose hair trimmers are predominantly designed for relatively short hair (certainly much shorter than our Bobtails get in their ear canals) and for hair which is relatively "sparse" and hence can be cut one strand at a time. In the case of a dog's ear canal the hair is quite long and the wax causes it to "clump" together. As a result it is likely that the trimmers will "clog" and they will "tear" ![]() The other serious risk in using trimmers is that the very finest hair clippings will not be gathered up by the trimmer and end up migrating down the ear canal to rest in a deep fold or even on the eardrum itself. This would be especially irritating, be a site for wax and dirt build-up and could cause an infection deep in ear canal or possibly inner ear itself. Sometimes the old manual ways are the best, and in my opinion, only way to the desired end. ![]() While I do use electric tools when they are appropriate I have never used them to accomplish ease and speed of care over quality of care. My thoughts for you to review Thanks and Cheers Carl |
Thanks Carl- that makes a lot of sense!
Karen ![]() |
Just wanted to add that my vet has recommended a mixture of white vinegar and alcohol (half and half) to swab the ears out with several times a week to aid in the prevention of ear infections. It has helped my dog's ears in the past and I use it to clean Blue Star's ears. I have used the hemostats to pluck ear hair but Carl's wonderful post has enlightened me in this matter and I will be hand plucking from now on! (I will also be keeping this in mind when I work on different breeds at work.)
May |
Carl,
You mention in your original post about using isopropyl alcohol. Quote: my choice is the use of isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol. Using the 99% alcohol wet a cotton puff ( don’t use the 70-80% solutions as much of the remaining 20-30% is oil which is what we are trying to avoid).
My question is: Where do you find this percentage of Isopropyl Alcohol? I have looked and can not find it. I need to clean Tylers ears and was going to do it over the holidays, but couldn't find all that I needed. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks Leslie |
I could only find 91% so I've got the same question. I did buy it and used it sparingly.
Jil |
Where did you even find 91%? I can only find the 70 to 80% in the stores near me. Did you have to ask someone for it? |
I've only ever purchased the 70% isopropyl alcohol, that's what is used in hospitals as well. The kind I buy has no other ingredients in it... |
I found the 91% at CVS (maybe it was Walgreen's?) and it was on the shelf with the others.
Yeah, it was CVS. I'm in the Detroit area. |
I found a higher concentration in a product designed to treat swimmer's ear. It is more expensive naturally. It is available without perscription and I found it in the ear section of the drug store. Also, sometimes you can a higher concentration from the pharmacist, ask at the counter. |
All,
I had no idea getting 99% Isoproply Alcohol would be so difficult for so many of you. We get it at Wallyworld (WalMart). As a matter of fact it is their own "equate" brand. I have also seen it in numerous drug stores/pharmacies here in Canada. Sorry it took so long to reply, busy of late but I am now settling back into a more "normal" daily routine with our gang after the holidays. Thanks and Cheers Carl |
I have used the powder to help grip the hair and I have also used the alcohol to clean the ears. Is that a bad thing to use both. It seems that the powdder helps me during the times that I pluck. I like to use the alcohol when Rheba comes around water because of the drying effect. Am I doing the right or wrong thing? |
ARTabone wrote: I have used the powder to help grip the hair and I have also used the alcohol to clean the ears. Is that a bad thing to use both. It seems that the powdder helps me during the times that I pluck. I like to use the alcohol when Rheba comes around water because of the drying effect. Am I doing the right or wrong thing?
ARTabone, Both powder and alcohol will serve to dry the wax in the ear hair to help you get a better grip for plucking. Use what works best for you and your dog. I always use alcohol but others have equally good success with powder so for help getting grip to pluck the hair it is a personal choice. Cleaning however is a different issue. Alcohol is able to soften and lift the dried wax/dirt away from the ear canal skin which powder simply cannot do. Alcohol is also a good swabing agent to dislodge dirt that resists rubbing with a dry puff and can serve to cool the ear canal skin at the same time, again something that powder cannot do. But of course you need to limit how much "raw" alcohol comes into direct contact with skin because of it's potential to dry the skin by removing all the natural oils, a small amount of which is needed to keep the skin healthy and supple. I would also avoid using alcohol to dry the ear out after water exposure. I find the best way to clear out water trapped in the ear canal is to swab it dry, either with a soft dry cotton cloth or a number of giant cotton puffs (one at a time until the ear is properly dry). While alcohol will enhance water evaporation it isn't going to be as effective as quickly as you need when drying the ear canal. Once the ear canal is dry, (free of water) clean and plucked, remember to add some ear powder or antibiotic ointment to help guard against infection. Hope this helps, as ever don't hesitate to ask if I am unclear or you have further questions or concens. Thanks and Cheers Carl |
Oh no..I have such a weird gag reflex and the inside of the dogs ears is setting this off. I get queasy about a lot of weird things. I am not going to be able to do any work myslef. I don't think. I started gagging when reading. Maybe i could do plucking..I'll try...I didn't notice much hair but I'm going to go examine more closely. And we can't go to a groomer until Oct. bc of medical problems...I don't know what I'm going ot do. I smell a stinky odor. Dog smell x3. |
If the dog's ear is quite bad then I could understand how the good ole gag reflex could cause some problems. If you get someone to clean up your dogs ears, the maitnence is a lot better than the initial clean (if they are stinky and messy)...If they aren't so stinky and messy and it is still bothering your gag reflex...ignore everything I just wrote. oops! haha |
Thanks you thank you. I am new to OES, but not new to dogs. However, I worried about the grooming and to date I am managing with assistance from reading posts. Did our first real day of beauty and she loved it. Now to have someone show me how to care for Abbeys ears. Thanks for the info. Tal |
Great posts on grooming Carl! Thank you!!
I would just like to add my 2 cents, from experiences with 2 OES and one Springer Spaniel. Regarding the use of powders... Be VERY careful to NOT get powder into the canal. If it mixes with the ear wax, it can cause more problems than the wax alone (calcification being the worst). It should only be used on the flappy surface of the ear and only sparingly. My vet actually recommended using just plain old Gold Bond Medicated Powder. Sprinkle it into your hand or a cosmetic powder puff and then rub the surface of the ear, which will prevent any accidental over-spill into the ear. Regarding hair removal... For hair growing out of the canal, a hemostat will work much better than fingers. Mine is 6.5" long with a curved clamp end. Just grab a small clump of hair, lock the handle of the instrument, wrap the hair around the clamp several times and gently pull. I asked my vet to show me how to do it the first time so I was not hurting the ear. I also use a regular disposable Bic for thinning hair on the inside of the flap when necessary. I have found that a little less on the flap, helps the air circulate too. Happy Grooming!! Amy |
You can get a good hemostat here...They are only 6 or 7 bucks...
http://www.scissorsales.com/hemostat.html |
so is the hemostat a better option than tweezers? we dont have a dog yet, but i'm trying to read up on everything to make sure we're prepared before we jump in!
oh and the ear cleaning is totally freaking me out, i'm worried i might not do it right, so i'm deff going to have the vet or my friends mom (shes a groomer) show me how to do it before i attempt! |
I definitely like the hemostat better for gripping hair and it seems to be more comfortable for the dog. |
If you have a dog that is prone to moving (Archie AKA Mr FidgetBum) I would stick to solely using your fingers, you could seriously inflict some serious pain/damage with tools of any kind. |
my oes is only 10 weeks old and deaf. he loves being groomed and enjoys having his feet held. so, how old should he be for his first plucking session? i can start getting him used to me around his ears, but how long does it take for the hairs to grow? will they be ready soon? |
charlysez wrote: my oes is only 10 weeks old and deaf. he loves being groomed and enjoys having his feet held. so, how old should he be for his first plucking session? i can start getting him used to me around his ears, but how long does it take for the hairs to grow? will they be ready soon?
Should be soon. We start plucking ears before they go to their homes. |
Quote: We start plucking ears before they go to their homes.
That is soo good because it's going to be a life-long necessity. We start within days of a puppy's arrival but I'm more chicken about it ![]() I flip an ear, pluck only a few hairs in one quick pull, quickly pop a treat in his/her mouth, then go back to play-grooming. I do the same with the other ear, then that's it for the day. I do this the next day and the next. It's a drawn out affair at first but in a few weeks a lot can be accomplished. While it's not really pleasant, it's tolerable especially if there's a reward. As the pup becomes used to the process, you can then begin removing more hair each time with each pluck and add more plucks to the session. I don't want ear plucking to become a wrestling match that the dog dreads so I usually have them preoccupied with a special toy or chew. I've found OESs are different. Some are much hairier and need more frequent plucking. I have two that don't require it very often. Congratulations on your new puppy! |
cappi had his first ear cleaning session yesterday. i managed to get some isopropyl wipes from boots chemist, which i reasoned would do the same job as liquid and cotton. it worked a treat, the hairs came away easily, made him squirm a bit though. will the wax come loose now on its own further down, having used the wipes to dry it a bit?
i was too nervous to use q tips inside the ear, i managed to put a twisted paper towel in his ear and it came away dirty. pleased to say his ears are cool as before this they were warm. phew! hope it got there in time. |
Lesley 3 words for you ![]() Thornit ear powder . Works wonders and makes ear cleaning and plucking so easy.It also helps to break wax up and helps to stop the hot ears. |
you are fast becoming our fairy godmother! thank you, i will go to the big shops at the weekend. |
Thank you for the ear cleaning post,Carl. You have been such a wealth of knowledge on the oes.org for quite some time. Cheers, Robin |
Carl, I love reading all of your post..... your knowledge is wonderful, and you are great with your words. When I finish cleaning my dogs ears I apply a couple of drops of Zymox, just to prevent anything bad. Also it is great for yeast infections which OES tend to get in their ears due to the warmth and dampness. Do you know anything about this if so is it ok to use it. |
Sheepdog Lover wrote: Carl, I love reading all of your post..... your knowledge is wonderful, and you are great with your words. When I finish cleaning my dogs ears I apply a couple of drops of Zymox, just to prevent anything bad. Also it is great for yeast infections which OES tend to get in their ears due to the warmth and dampness. Do you know anything about this if so is it ok to use it. Sheepdog Lover, Thank you for your kind words. I'm glad to be of help whenever possible. I'm not familiar with the Zymex product and certainly have not used it myself so I did a quick internet search on it. From what I have found it appears to be a good product that should be a significant benefit in ear care and health. The only caution I would offer is that since this is a cortizone based medication you should be quite diligent in not exceeding the recommended dosage instructions on the label. It would also be prudent to solicit the opinion of your veterinarian as to dosage and frequency of use when you next visit for a routine check-up/shots/etc.. Good luck with your Bobtail. As ever if you have further questions don't hesitate to ask, either in open forum or by PM. Thanks and Cheers Carl |
Carl: I keep Zymox on hand. My vet gave it to me a few years ago to try on my dogs when needed to see how it worked. He does this on occasion with new products so he can test them out for his clients. He says if something works on my hairy dogs it will work on anything ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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