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The other night I saw her up on the kitchen counter, trying to knock over the box of Scooby Snacks (one of Dancer's favorites because of the pizza flavored treats) I got her off the counter and went to do something else. She got up there again. So I wedged the box sideways on top of my microwave, it was wedged between the top of the microwave and the bottom of one of the cupboards. Since Dancer has been in heat, the dogs have been confined to the kitchen, and while i was in the livingroom watching tv that little kitten swiped treats out of the box one by one and threw them on the floor. The dogs must have thought she was just wonderful. That cat emptied the whole, brand new box onto the floor. The dogs happily cleaned it up. These treats are very hard biscuits, so Sky couldn't chew well enough to eat many (she is still the gummy wonder dog, all adult teeth on top are in but not one on the bottom, lol) but Dancer on the other hand pigged right out. She had diarreah twice yesterday, and once today. I'm keeping her out of her food, but I am going to boil some rice and ground beef for her later. I am also going to give her some pepto bismol, but I have also heard immodium is now being used on dogs. Does anyone know much about this? Is it safe? Anyway, just thought I'd share.... lol..... Dancer needs a bath, and I have a feeling she may need one tomorrow too *sigh* poor baby.... |
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| I know the Pepto is safe - and I think Immodium is too - but not sure about the Immodium dosage.
NOT FUN!  |
My vet recommends one pill of immodium to start with and if you need another later to give a second after a few hours. I have never had to give a second pill though. Immodium was our best friend for awhile, but luckily we haven't had any problems in a long time. 
Good luck, and I hope sweet Dancer is feeling better soon. Stormi and co. |
| Those naughty gray kitties! How much trouble can they get into anyways?! Sounds like something Bell would do! I hope Dancer feels better- no fun!
Karen  |
| I looked around some, and most sites recommend half the adult dose of immodium for a full grown dog under 50 lbs. (1mg) Pepto is the one of choice, but I didn't have it handy so I tried the immodium. I only gave the half tablet to her last night, and she hasn't had diarreah since. I allowed her to eat her normal food this morning. She is a nibbler anyway, so she just eats little bits at a time. Hopefully all will be ok now, she did have a normal stool this morning, so that's a good sign. |
Yes, I am sorry I should have wrote that too. My vet recommended one immodium pill if the dogs were 50-100 lbs. And yes, half for under 50lbs. 
Stormi and co. |
| Hi Willowsprite,
You've received great advice so I'm not going to add anything other than my sympathy! |
| Kaopectate seemed to work the best for Pepsi.
Pepto and Immodium had no effect of him. The Kaopectate worked very quick. |
| Kaopectate used to be bad for dogs but ok for cats, and pepto is and always has been bad for cats. Vets issued a warning last July about kaopectate because they changed their formula to reduce the lead content, and it is now toxic to cats. Just so you know.... if a cat needs a pain killer acetomenophin (tylenol) is usually given in very small doses, because aspirin is toxic to cats. However, anything containing the same ingredient as tylenol (acetomenophin) is toxic to dogs, which is why aspirin is reccomended for dogs.
Kaopectate is now safe for dogs, but not as safe as pepto bismol. Immodium is fast becoming the drug of choice for pets and people, I don't know why for people, but for pets, it is because it does not contain salycitates. Immodium works fast, slightly sedates a pet, and has really no other side effects. BUT , and this is a BIG BUT..... the medication in immodium, and also ivermectin, a wormer, CAN be dangerous to collies and any other breed related to them. Here is why... Collies with ivermectin sensitivity have been found to have a mutant gene for what is called the "P-glycoprotein." The P-glycoprotein has been studied largely because overexpression of this protein (i.e., having more of it than normal) results poor function of chemotherapy drugs in the treatment of cancer. The P-glycoprotein appears to be involved in keeping drugs out of certain body tissues. Having excess P-glycoprotein keeps chemotherapy drugs from reaching the tumor; having a mutant/non-functional protein fails to keep medications like ivermectin out of the central nervous system. In other words, Collies (and their cousins: Old English Sheepdogs, Shetland Sheepdogs, Australian Shepherds, etc.) have less P-glycoprotein than normal. Having less P-glycoprotein means certain drugs gain access to protected body tissues more readily. This phenomenon is responsible not only for ivermectin toxicity in sensitive breeds but also loperamide toxicity. Approximately 35% of Collies appear affected by this condition. It is probably best to avoid loperamide in Collies and their relatives. Loperamide is the drug in immodium. So.... even though I used Immodium for Dancer, and there was no problem, it cleared it up immediately, I won't use it again now that I know this. Live and learn I guess... |
| BE VERY CAREFUL! I found your site because my border collie had a horrible case of the runs today and my husband told me he gave her an immodium pill. I panicked and made a mad dash for the computer and my ever faithful Google. The reason I did this was because last August, 2 Scottish Collies I was looking after licked the end of my worming tubes for the horses. The main ingredient was Ivermectin. Both went into toxic shock. The male died shortly after arriving home from the vet, and the female was on my livingroom floor hooked up to an IV for 5 days before I realized she was not going to come out of the coma and I had to have her put down. The rule of thumb is, "if they have white feet, do not treat".
If you put in "immodium" and "border collie" in google, you will quickly see Immodium contains a small amount of Ivermectin, and therefore, could cause your dog to go into toxic shock and 99% of them do not survive. It is the most horrible thing I have ever had to watch, and the worst part was, it was my fault. Before giving your dog ANYTHING, learn from my mistake. Consult a vet. Because someone's vet told them "their breed" of dog could take a product, it does not mean it is safe for another breed. Please, do not play doctor with your pets as I know from first hand experience how the guilt at such a mistake eats away at your heart for months and months and months.... and I'm not sure it ever will go away. Please check this out for yourself so you understand why these dogs have this reaction. I hope this information has not come too late for anyone. Lorrie |
Oh my god, thank you for posting your story Lorrie. I am so sorry you had to go through that horror and I hope your story will save others from the same type of heartbreak and misery.  |
| The saying "if they have white feet do not treat" has been what most would call an old wives tale for generations, however, most old wives tales have truth behind them, just no ability to scientifically prove them until now. The white feet one relates to the gene {si~si} which is the "irish spotting white" allele. It can be found in many breeds, and in many species, but in dogs and cats, when mixed with other white factor genes, it becomes what is called a "double lethal". That term does not mean it kills the animal, it is just a term for an animal that has inherited two copies of the same dominant gene, and sometimes causes health problems and sensitivities to meds and vaccines.
Old English Sheepdogs, and Ragdoll cats are most widely known for these anomalies because of breeders attempting to control the si~si gene to create specific coat patterns. |
| Hmmmmmm, I didn't know any of this (white feet, invectin etc.). I've been giving my Tasker one immodium pill for diarrhea for years on the advice of my Vet. Tasker has very infection prone ears and for some reason diarrhea is almost always a precursor to an ear infection. I don't think I've ever given him more than a couple of pills for an episode but now I'll be checking with my Vet about the issue again. |
Willowsprite wrote: Kaopectate used to be bad for dogs but ok for cats, and pepto is and always has been bad for cats. Vets issued a warning last July about kaopectate because they changed their formula to reduce the lead content, and it is now toxic to cats. Just so you know.... if a cat needs a pain killer acetomenophin (tylenol) is usually given in very small doses, because aspirin is toxic to cats. However, anything containing the same ingredient as tylenol (acetomenophin) is toxic to dogs, which is why aspirin is reccomended for dogs. ..
Do not give Aspirin to dogs EVER. It leaches out Vitamin K from their body, which in turn, thins their blood, and does not allow their blood to clot. If a dog has been given aspirin before a surgery, it will possibly bleed to death. |
| Well hello Vet Tech! Welcome to the forum!
This is very interesting for me to hear. I have always been told by my veterinarian that aspirin is ok for dogs. It's been recommended by many to many as the first pain reliever of choice for their dogs. Clearly aspirin has an anti-clotting effect on people too, and it is restricted before surgery as well, but that doesn't make it a no no during the rest of someone's life. Where did you learn of this "NEVER" restriction? Thanks, and again -- WELCOME to the forum! |
Tasker's Mom wrote: Hmmmmmm, I didn't know any of this (white feet, invectin etc.). I've been giving my Tasker one immodium pill for diarrhea for years on the advice of my Vet.
Dogs who have the genetic predisposition that makes them susceptible to Ivermectin/Immodium etc. will get sick right away, as in the situation Lorrie had. If you've given Tasker Immodium before and it hasn't bothered him, he should be fine. I have a friend with a sheltie (another white footed breed) which has been having all kinds of digestive system problems and I had forwarded this Ivermectin research on to her since her sheltie was on an Ivermectin heartworm med. Her vet had never heard any of this so checked with other vets. If the dog has inherited the gene, he/she will get sick right away when exposed to it. It doesn't cause prolonged illness or develop over time. |
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