Accurate assessment?
At the Animal Planet site when you search for our breed the following is their assessment. Those of you with OES experience, how accurate do you think this might be as a general assessment? Is ease of trainability that low? Those that compete is this accurate? Assessment on a 5 point scale. 1. Energy Level *** 2. Excercise Regularly *** 3. Playfulness *** 4. Affectionate level ***** 5. Friendliness towards other dogs *** 6. Friendliness towards other pets ***** 7. Friendliness towards strangers **** 8. Ease of trainability * 9. Watchdog ability *** 10.Protection ability *** 11.Grooming **** 12.Cold Tolerance **** 13.Heat Tolerance ** |
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DandAbi wrote: http://animal.discovery.com/breedselector/dogprofile.do?id=1130
At the Animal Planet site when you search for our breed the following is their assessment. Those of you with OES experience, how accurate do you think this might be as a general assessment? Is ease of trainability that low? Those that compete is this accurate? Good grief! I would rate ease of trainability at least a 3. 4 if you've trained one before 
I'd also rate them as friendlier in all categories, but maybe that's a breed average. Kristine |
| Very interesting....
I checked out the website. It ranked the basset hound as ** for trainability (the OES as *) On average, I would consider the OES much easier to train than a basset (my Simon being a huge exception!) My unrelated 3 OES were all easy to train. Everyday stuff, as well as obedience, herding, being therapy dogs, good family pets. For competitive events they may be behind a sheltie, border collie or lab, (on average) but definitely not hard to train at all. |
| Thank goodness you think a 3 and 4 with experience for the trainability.
Abi is finishing her basic obedience and just hasn't settled down around other dogs. In her defense I might add that she is the youngest in class. At home she goes through all the drills beautifully (except for the stand/stay) but the minute she is near the bldg. where the classes are held, I become the sled and she is mushing me all around. She settles down some but my goodness she just wants to play. The other dogs have settled down. If trainability means with no other dog around then Abi is the smartest dog I've had (out of 4). However, if they consider other dogs around than we aren't doing too well. Maybe there's hope when she is a bit older  |
| I'm curious as to which breed's grooming needs make 5 out of 5. I can't think of another breed with more so I wonder how the OES only got 4!
Edit: I just found one. They gave a poodle 5 out of 5.  |
DandAbi wrote: Thank goodness you think a 3 and 4 with experience for the trainability.
Abi is finishing her basic obedience and just hasn't settled down around other dogs. In her defense I might add that she is the youngest in class. At home she goes through all the drills beautifully (except for the stand/stay) but the minute she is near the bldg. where the classes are held, I become the sled and she is mushing me all around. She settles down some but my goodness she just wants to play. The other dogs have settled down. If trainability means with no other dog around then Abi is the smartest dog I've had (out of 4). However, if they consider other dogs around than we aren't doing too well. Maybe there's hope when she is a bit older Hehe - that's maturity or lack there of. I went through this with Mad for a few months when she was about 7-10 months old, but she matured into ignoring all other dogs completely. Seemed to happen almost over night. She was tolerable in class but take her to an agility trial for socialization and it was drag-city and constant apologies. Sybil was a similar treat when I first started taking her to classes. Quite simply, they learn it's not play time and then it becomes a non-issue. But for a few months you can spend some embarrassing time muttering to all that will listen that you DO actually practice with this dog and she DOES have a clue. I didn't have that problem with my boy dog who is more clingy and into "mom", but some of the more independant minded girls. Oh, brother!
If it's any consolation it's always been my smartest dogs who can learn things in their sleep who were the worst in this regard. The very same dogs had the hardest time with the stationary exercises too. Busy, busy, busy and too smart for their own good. The kind of dog you can teach anything but god help you if you bore them in the process. Later into training Mad would actually give me "the look", deliberately turn her back and stalk off (not far, either, just enough to make a point  )- if I insulted her intelligence. She's a character.
Belle will forgive me anything. Mad will make me pay for my every mistake. If you have the latter type, she'll teach you more, excite you more - and embarrass you CONSIDERABLY more...
Kristine |
It is quite embarrassing when ALL the other dogs have settled down. I know they are wondering why we're there. I just wish they could see her at home when she is great. The cat doesn't distract her from a stay and neither do my kids (whom she loves to play with). But those darn other dogs in class. Geez, well at least there is hope for her. At 7/2 months that means 3 more months of embarassment.  |
DandAbi wrote: At 7/2 months that means 3 more months of embarassment.
Believe it or not, she's just preparing you for the future. You need at least 3 months of proper humility training to be able to show her and never flinch no matter what she does. When you're showing her in utility and she has wowed everyone with her go-outs and gorgeous signals, she will fluff the glove exercise by doing something interesting like doing a few Indy 500 victory laps with the glove, pouncing on it and tearing the evil thing to shreds, or presenting it to the steward or the judge instead of you. But thanks to your early training in this regard, you'll be able to laugh it off with the rest of us
At 7.5 mos she really is a baby. Don't worry about it. She'll get it out of her system more quickly than you think. Kristine |
DandAbi wrote: Geez, well at least there is hope for her. At 7/2 months that means 3 more months of embarassment.
I had my dose of humility this weekend. We entered out 1st sled race this weekend. There where no other 2 dog teams entered. I pleaded with some of the others, who had their truck dog boxes loaded with dogs, 3-4 sleds on the top of the trucks. (so cool!) Surely there was someone with a few extra dogs who would enter a 2 dog team to run with us! A family with mom, dad, and their 3 teenaged daughters were racing and were interested. One of the daughters said she would move down to the 2 dog class (they had four 4-dog teams entered). One of her females was coming in heat, so she was willing to help us out. How does Chewie repay her????? He pees on her leg!
He actually peed on her old doggy snowmobile suit, and I imagine he smelled all the dogs, including the female in heat and all that good stuff. Thought he better stake a claim....... 
Yikes, how embarrassing. |
got sheep wrote: He actually peed on her old doggy snowmobile suit, and I imagine he smelled all the dogs, including the female in heat and all that good stuff. Thought he better stake a claim.......
Yikes, how embarrassing. Don't feel too bad, Dawn. He comes by it honestly. Amy says his dad has to be belly-banded if there's a bitch in season within a five mile radius 
I think Liz may be coming in because I had just gotten into bed, Liz and Syb snuggled up with me per normal, when I saw Che walk deliberately up to the bed and lift his leg! Too bad for him he did it within arm's reached. I quick grabbed his lifted leg before it was even fully in the "upright" position and he high (or, rather no ) tailed it out the door and refused to come back into the bedroom till I had gone to sleep. Served him right. And he's neutered!!
All I have to do is bring out his pee pants and he stops with the leg lifting. I know, it's a bit more of a shock when a Perfect dog does it. Sort of like Belle filching something off of someone's plate. You expect it from dog X, but you're not on guard with the Perfect ones
How'd the race go or are you saving the details for later?  Hoepfully the bitch in season started before you, thus eliminating your no-lead dog yet dilemma
Kristine |
| Race details later.... waiting for the one person who actually had a camera to develop her film. Just from a disposable camera, but can't be picky... .
I saw the leg lift coming and got a big pull in before most of the pee came. More of a yellow liquid arc that just caught her leg.
Then someone asked if he was trying to bite! So of course I had to quickly say NO - he just was peeing on her! Pee is bad enough... but I truly can't imagine Chewie ever biting anyone, unless maybe if someone was hurting me. |
| I'm surprised that "friendliness towards other dogs" is only 3 stars. We go to the dog park every afernoon, and my girls play with EVERY dog there. Little ones, giant ones, and everything in between. In fact, Luna has nominated herself "Dog Park Greeter"; she walks EVERY dog into the park when they arrive, and walks them all to thier cars when they leave!!! Hardly a 3-star friendly rating, in my opinion. |
| Hi,
Several years I asked a trainer I respect what she thought of this list and I've come to believe that her answer was probably correct. She mentioned that herding dogs have to "think for themselves"and thus are considered hard to train than other breeds. This is supposedly true of all herders. It's because of this "individual thinking" they do and had been bred to do for generations to be able to view a potential problem and not always wait for their owner to give them a signal. They think for themselves. She then went on to tell me, because of this they are considered harder to train than perhaps other breeds. Once trained, however, she considered herders way above intelligence and the most obedient. Dawn- I can imagine the embarressment! LOL But I bet yah he was smiling while he peed. Marianne |
Mad Dog wrote: DandAbi wrote: http://animal.discovery.com/breedselector/dogprofile.do?id=1130 At the Animal Planet site when you search for our breed the following is their assessment. Those of you with OES experience, how accurate do you think this might be as a general assessment? Is ease of trainability that low? Those that compete is this accurate? Good grief! I would rate ease of trainability at least a 3. 4 if you've trained one before I'd also rate them as friendlier in all categories, but maybe that's a breed average. Kristine Well, ease of trainability compared to what? Compared to a poodle this might be accurrate. I never had to negotiate with my poodles the way I have to with my OES. ANd many other dogs will always just assume there is a treat in your hand when you are training a new skill - My OES will usually make sure there is before they comply |
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