Very Smelly doggy!!

Hi guys - i need your advice,

Molly has started really ponging, we've bathed her completely head to foot twice this week and later on the same day she starts smelling again. She's not rolling in pooh or eating mud. Also it's not a smell of wet dog or mud, but more cheesy feet!

Molly is about 2 years and was spayed a few months ago. She has also started getting on top of Dave (my 6 month OES puppy) and humping him (poor boy!). My husband wondered if it was hormones or something...any ideas?

i can't bath her fully every day, we've tried sprays, dry shampoo and just washing her feet when she's been out, but nothing works.

Please advise
Thanks
Jade
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TWICE A WEEK????? I would never bathe that often. I wonder if there is some skin problem r/t over bathing???? I would first check with your Vet to see what is going on.

You will find a wide variety of bathing schedules here but I only bathe a few times a year. People who show bathe often but twice a week is not good for the skin or hair.

Humping is a social behavior in a neutered dog, not a sexual one. It says "I'm the alpha dog". My suggestion is you gently redirect her attention.
That's the thing, she has seen the vet. He has said that she is totally healthy, skin, hair etc. We don't normally bathe her twice a week - we've only done it this week because she smelt so much and thought she must have rolled in fox pooh or something.

The most we do normally is rinse her feet because she gets so muddy out in the woods and on walks.

...anyone got any advice
Some rescue dogs appear to be spayed but aren't. So not sure where you got your girl from but if you are unsure of her past, check to make sure she's spayed and has no discharge from that area. A pyometra is one of the worst things that could happen to a girl and it comes with an odd smell. Just want to make sure that the worst case scenario is out of the way!!!
What else causes sheepdog smells?
Anal glands
Bad teeth
Bad breath
Allergies can cause gross skin smells
Matts in the feet that get wet
A wet beard smells awful.
Thank you for replying....we've had her since she was a pup and she was spayed at our vets. Teeth, bum and bits are all good. The vet has checked her recently.

She has never been smelly until a few weeks ago...something you said about allergies has made me think though. The only thing that has changed is that we have changed her food (still the same brand), but it was large kibble and really stinks in the bag...maybe it's coming out in her sweat/skin?

Do you think that is viable?...really appreciate your comments.

THANK YOU!
I guess alot depends on what you mean by "relly stinks". I have noticed most dogs have their own distinctive smell. Ty for instance has a distinctly different smell from Tasker. Is is just a strong "dog" smell or does it smell fishey, infected and gross? I am lucky that none of my dogs have ever had anal gland issues but I understand they can be quite stinky.

Have you taken her to the vet when she was "stinky" and let the Vet take a wiff?
Sami had stinky feet latley, not bad.... but I did add Salmon,potato dog food to their food. I was also thinking of them coming in and out of the snow?
Nelson rolled in deer or some other wild critter poop and as soon as I can get him fully brushed out he's going into the tub. (clothespin on nose while grooming) Dogs are very sneaky about finding nasty stuff to roll in so you may not even realize your dog is doing it. And they keep going back for more because they love it more than doggie shampoo. :roll:

Infected ears can smell terrible as well as all the other things listed. Hope you find the source of the odor and get rid of it soon.
We have a bear that poops in our yard periodically. Have you EVER smelled a dog that rolled in bear poop?? PEEEEEEEEEEEEEUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does it smell like corn chips?

(They might be called "corn crisps" there)
I love the word pong!

My parents' dog Maggie would smell horribly when she got a UTI or a yeast infection. It didn't even have to be a 'down there' yeast infection. She sometimes got them in her ears too. Which I could also see allergies causing that too.
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I love the word pong!

:lol: I had never heard of the word until Lisa used it.

I agree... you shouldn't have to wash her that often.

First, see if you can locate the area that's omitting the offensive odor. Smell her mouth, her ears, her feet, her back, her fanny... I know, it's gross but you need to see if you can determine where that smell is actually coming from. She's not wetting herself... she's dry?

Anal glads are one thing (well, two actually) that can periodically release causing what you would swear is a deadly odor :lol: (peeee-u!). Some dogs will naturally express their glands themselves when they use the bathroom or if the dog gets over excited... other dogs require human assistance approximately every 2-6 weeks.

Her coat isn't oily is it? Seborrhea is a skin condition that can make a dog stink but the vet would most likely have mentioned this when he/she examined her.

Please let us know what you find? Hoping for a quick fix to the situation.
Nothing worse then a dog with a PONG. :lol:

Jaci is right do a sniff test on her and try to determine any particular area on her is worse then the rest.

Lift the ear flaps and sniff sniff sniff, no pong should be coming from the ear, if its then you have an ear problem causing the smell.

Anal glands can make then smell super pongy,, they don't have to have symptons of a slight swelling, trying to bite their butt or scooting always, sometimes it is just a bad pong that says "I need to be squeezed" 8O

If she has a strong wee wee sort of smell, could be a mild UTI, there urine gets quite strong and the smell permiates on them.

Check the mouth and breath also, if they have tartar build up or a gum infection it can make the dog pong also.

Also try going back to what you originally had her on and see if the smell disappears altogether, if it does then it was the food you changed her over too. :wink:

Molly humping young Dave, well she is telling him she is in charge, do try and re-direct that behaviour, not a sexual thing it is just I RULE :twisted:

washing her just the whites are OK on a regular basis, all over only a few times a year unless they get into something pongy, washing all over too much leads to skin drying out and extra matting for the coat.
It seems to me that most shampoo's don't have much of a lasting smell if any at all. Try my favorite shampoo that I promise has a fantastic long lasting smell. Fresh n' Clean's Oatmeal and baking soda shampoo. I know Petsmart sells it for about 8 bucks a bottle. Each time your pup gets wet or damp at all, the shampoo's smell comes out instead of that yucky wet dog smell.

You can also water down that conditioner in a spray bottle and use it inbetween baths to freshen up a bit.

One other thing, dogs sweat thru the bridge of there nose and between the paw pads. So keep the pads shaved out and that will help with stinky feet.
mollysmaidenaunty wrote:
My friends OES, which I end up baby-sitting frequently absolutely reeks,

She's fussy about eating, hates being groomed. It really is a pain,

I did find one of the better shampoos to be Selsun Blue, costs the earth but they reckon she's worth it,

Now i just gotta find out how to stop her shaking all the time,

I used to have a collie and she was so much easier


Isn't Selsun Blue for humans with dandruff?
If your friend has a really smelly dog, I wonder if there's some other health condition. From my experience with them, Old English Sheepdogs don't have much of a smell if they're healthy. Is it possible she's rolling in stuff outdoors?

The smell isn't coming from the ears (ear infection), the mouth (tooth problems can cause horrendous breath) or the fanny (anal glands)... it's just her coat? I wonder if she might have seborrhea.... (low thyroid can be a cause of secondary seborrhea)

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Sebum is a fatty material, it becomes rancid and causes a strong coat odor. Seborrhea may occur as a disease by itself (primary seborrhea) or result from an underlying disease (secondary seborrhea). While secondary seborrhea often clears up when the underlying disease is cured, primary seborrhea is a chronic disease that may be controlled but not cured. The cause of primary seborrhea is unknown.


I wonder if Malaseb shampoo would help if the smell is truly coming from the skin/coat?
http://www.ivxanimalhealth.com/DetailsS ... d9be5a30d9
The Malaseb® Formula – a patented antimicrobial, antifungal formulation that has been studied in vivo for the treatment of seborrheic dermatitis
and secondary bacterial and yeast infections...

She should be checked over by a vet if she smells this bad... it's not normal.
Molly probably has yeast. My Lily gets it on her feet, in her ears and on her belly. I am switching her to an all meat diet since yeast feeds on sugar and carbs are sugar. I also give her one AZO a day. It is a homeopathic rememdy that you can buy at the drugstore in the feminine aids section. It says it is for vaginal yeast, but it will treat any yeast. It does help it and keeps it from recurring. I also use Gold Bond medicated baby powder on her when she gets itchy. The yeast on her feet does smell bad. If it's not anal glads (which smell HORRIBLE) then it is probably coming from the skin. I would question any dog food that smells horrible in the bag. That cannot be a good thing!
I also have an Old English Sheepdog. I have had him since he was 8 weeks old. He smells terrible too. No matter how much I bathe him he still stinks as soon as he is dry. I found that his hair gets matted under his long coat and that it starts to stink. Washing my OES doesn't help because more tangles form under his coat no matter how much I scrub or brush him. The only thing that keeps my OES from stinking is to cut his coat shorter all year long so the hair doesn't get long enough to tangle. I take him to the groomer every couple months (yes it gets expensive), but it works. Short hair on an OES is actually pretty cute. Its just long enough to keep him warm in the winter and he smells great.
OES need to be groomed regularly. All OES will mat if
unbrushed. Short hair is fine if you can't brush him, but
grooming is also a great bonding time to share with your dog.
It's a good idea to be grooming weekly just so you know what
is going on under that fur too. Lots of things to know about
if you just take the time. Regular grooming will keep the smell
to a minimum as well.

Shellie
Weird. Even with allergies and skin issues, Lily only slightly smells like a dog between baths and that's towards the needs a bath part. Her baths are about 3 months apart sometimes longer. She gets brushed regularly. Long hair or short hair it doesn't matter. For the most part her hair absorbs what ever smells she is around. Which ends up, for the most part, being my perfume.

The only time she smelled super bad was when she rolled in my step mom's horses poo.

I might add the boys (hound and wolf hybrid) tend to smell like dogs even after their baths.
Shellie wrote:
OES need to be groomed regularly. All OES will mat if
unbrushed. Shellie


Yes, but some will mat faster. My rescue dog mats solid in no time flat as soon as her coat reaches a little over an inch long, so she's kept really short. She doesn't smell, but some OES with skin issues are perpetually stinky and short coat is beneficial in their cases for a number of reasons, one of them being that it requires less bathing, which means less messing with the proper pH of the skin. So keeping this particular dog short sounds like a really sound approach.

Kristine
Some dogs are oilier than others, some mat more than others
and so on and so on and so on. However,
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Short hair is fine if you can't brush him, but
grooming is also a great bonding time to share with your dog.
It's a good idea to be grooming weekly just so you know what
is going on under that fur too. Lots of things to know about
if you just take the time.

ALL of this is still true, even if you think I never have anything
of value to say. And like I said, short is fine if you aren't going
to groom. :wink:
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