New OES Mom.. where to begin?!

Hi! I'm the new proud mommy of an OES who is 6 months old, and was an outdoor dog unfortunately for most of it's life before coming to our home. I'm looking for someone with experience with OES and training them to share some tips with me about some behaviors I'm having trouble dealing with. Yahoo me!
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Welcome again!!!
Thanks, Ron! I appreciate the welcome! I definitely have my handsful as a new mom.. just was hoping to maybe get a network going with a few yahoo users that I can "pester" when time allows! :)
Welcome Jen and Shaggy
You didn't say if you have had a dog before or not, so I don't know exactly what to recommend based on your experience level.

Some basics are to always reward a good behavior. Even if it is random, and not given as a command.

Try to anticipate behaviors you don't like and divert him to something positive. It is always an easier situation if you are rewarding a positive instead of trying to correct a negative. But, sometimes that is not possible. Only correct a bad behavior if you are right there and see it happen. After the fact is worthless, and will only confuse him. Dogs associate a negative from you with the thing they are doing at that moment, so you most likely would be correcting a positive behavior - confusing him!

Set routines right from the beginnig, and have everyone in your family follow them too. The more consistant everyone is, the faster he will learn.

Also, go to the intro section - introduce yourself and Shaggy!
Welcome and thanks for giving your boy a new home! :D
Hi, Shaggy's mom!

Ditto on everything Dawn said... :lol:

If you need advise in any specific area just let us know and we can give some ideas on how you might be able to handle things.

And thank you for taking in a boy who seems like he needs your help..!
WELCOME!
Welcome....from St. Louis ......... :banana: :banana: :banana:

This is the place to be for advice, suggestions, direction and all round support!!!!


Can't wait to see pictures of your new baby !!!!! :yay: :yay:
Welcome Jen and Shaggy,

I would start like he was a new puppy. Take him out every hour to do his business, and crate him at night. I am assuming you are trying to housebreak him. I would also get enrolled in some training ASAP. He needs to bond with you and learn who the Alpha dog is (you)!!! :go:

It will be a challange, but these guys learn fast and are such loves. :hearts:
Welcome to oes.org! There is an abundance of good advice on this board. Plus the wonderful people who will keep you laughing over the crazy antics of their sheepies!

NOTHING IN LIFE IS FREE! You'll see this alot in these posts. Make him obey a command or two for treats, for meals, for toys, for a good belly rub. You need to establish that rewards are earned. He's going to grow up to be a big boy who will really push his limits in the next year or so, and setting a good foundation now will make his teenage years much easier.

Also, plenty of exercise! A tired dog is a sweet, happy dog. Daily walks plus some play time make a hug difference. Dogs who don't get enough exercise get into trouble.

Take a training class. It's a good way to socialize your dog and a good bonding experience for the two of you.

That's the best I can do on a Friday night!
Thanks much for all the helpful suggestions. We're actually doing surprisingly well on potty training. He's only had two indoor accidents thus far in the week and I THINK those might have been behavioral.
My MAIN concerns right now are keeping his attention when he's outside so that we can go for walks. He's VERY easily distracted by children and other dogs in the neighborhood and there are plenty of both.
The other would be the way he disperses his food all throughout the house. He'll take it from his dish, then drop it all over the kitchen floor, and even into the living room.
Last night I bought a crate for him to have for "down time" when I'm home alone and he's getting a little wild.
I plan to pick up the classes offered at PetSmart for obedience training, but meanwhile I want to work on calming him down just a tad so that he won't be unruly there.
The food issue, for some reason is really getting to me though. I will use the search function and see what I can find before I beg for answers regarding both! Smile
As for the question asked of me, we had a puggle a couple of years back, but no matter what, neither of us could form a really good bond with it, and we lived in a one bedroom apartment with VERY limited outdoor space, so it was really unfair to him and unfair to the neighbors as he barked VERY loudly and I don't believe in electronic training devices.
So we gave him to a family with children and a house and a yard! Smile

I had no experience with OES when I bought Shaggy, but I just LOVE OES.. always have.. since Sesame Street! I love the shaggy look, and I love how protective they are, and how they are playful one minute and lap dogs the next! Smile
Already I'm DEEP in love with him, just want to work on making him more of a "gentleman"! Smile
Right now I'm just having a LOT of PAINFUL back problems from the move I think, so it's hard to sit for too long and do the research I should be.
Sounds like you're doing really well! Now all you need to do is post some pictures :wink:
I will just make some comments, seeing as you asked.. :wink:

ShaggysMomJen wrote:
He's only had two indoor accidents thus far in the week and I THINK those might have been behavioral.


I am, not sure what you mean here. ..about being behavioral..

If Shaggy has gone to the bathroom inside the house he doesn't know that he needs to use outside for those activities, so needs training. You mentioned that he was mostly an outside dog, and he is 6 months old. Both of those indicate to me that he needs house-training. An adult dog cna take up to 3 weeks to house-train, if you are soncsitent with the house-training guidleines listed in the house-training section of the forum. A puppy can take months... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Review that section and you will get lots of help...


ShaggysMomJen wrote:

My MAIN concerns right now are keeping his attention when he's outside so that we can go for walks. He's VERY easily distracted by children and other dogs in the neighborhood and there are plenty of both.


Sounds like your boy is reacting very well to stimulation. If he has not been exposed to many things in his first few months, then new things will either scare him and/or make him curious and want to investigate. If is very important that you make any introductions to kids, skatebourds, bikes, cars etc...into a very postive experience. This is not a time for corrections or retraints or anything negative. You first want him to be comfortable and unafraid with new things. Let him explore and learn on his own, and freely at his own pace. You can certainly teach him manners at the time time, but it is important that any training is done gently, and with lots of treats and everything is made into a happy, fun time for him.

My Dixie gal came to me at 1 year and was totally frightened and unsocialized with her new life outside of a kennel in the country. Bless her brazen little heart, she backed down and ran from everything new... but we gave her full freedom to come back and explore when she felt it was safe to do so. She has been abele to adapt well to new things, with us supporting her and encouraging her to..Almost 2 years later she still spooks at new things, but now approaches them with confidence and a wagging tail nub.


ShaggysMomJen wrote:

The other would be the way he disperses his food all throughout the house. He'll take it from his dish, then drop it all over the kitchen floor, and even into the living room.


Some dogs do this, and it is quite annoying.. :lol: You might want to add a bit of gravy or yogourt to make it more enjoyable so he doesn't want to leave his bowl...and some dogs like company while eating. Try standing close to him to see if he will stay put then.

ShaggysMomJen wrote:

Last night I bought a crate for him to have for "down time" when I'm home alone and he's getting a little wild.
I plan to pick up the classes offered at PetSmart for obedience training, but meanwhile I want to work on calming him down just a tad so that he won't be unruly there.


Crateas are excellant and do teach young dogs to relax and gives you some down time. Young OES's are very active, and do need a LOT of excercise. That would be something to pay a lot of attention to...As they say, a tired dog is a good dog...

Great that you are taking him to training. A well-mannered dog is a great companion...It doesn't happen overnight, but with time and effort and understanding of Shaggie's needs you can do this with him.

Good luck!
Thanks, Bosley's mom. I want him to have positive experiences with other dogs and children.. but when they are across the street and in the back of that neighboring yard, I'm not going to trespass other people's property, so I need to find a way to get him to remain calm until we can get an "up close" experience. The reason I need to control this is the demographics of the neighborhood I'm in. No sidewalks. When I walk Shaggy, I have to walk him in the road. No worries, it's a little Mayberry slow-paced quiet street. Just need to get him walking in a straight line beside me or "exploring" to the side of the road, not in the middle. :) That's a bit more of a priority right now than him being friends with the neighbor's dog. :(
As for potty training, like I said, he's doing REALLY well, we're being VERY consistent, rewarding him, and hardly giving him an opportunity to potty inside. Yes he has had an accident inside. I expected at least one, having been outside for the past 4 months. I think we're doing quite well with potty training. That really wasn't a concern as much as the walking/attention and food was.
The tip of gravy and/or yogurt was great. I thought I had remembered reading that OES's need a good solid dry food somewhere, so I will first try your tip of standing by him before I do that, but if I need to I will. It's just really hard for me to get up every time he does right now due to my back injury.
Thanks again for the advice! Just what I needed!
Yes, 2 accidents is not bad at all! From that it would seem that he has the idea, but may still forget. I was just wondering why you thought is was behavioral, and not training.

You can teach Shaggie to "Watch Me" or "Look"...so that when you are far from something and you know he will get excited about it, you can have him look at you instead.

To get him to look or "watch me" start this at home, in a quiet place. You can take a small treat, show it to him and then slowly move it towards your nose. When it reaches your nose say "look" or whatever word you want, wait a second then give him the treat. Do this over and over again.

Then move the treat into your other hand, but don't let him see it. Do the same thing using your finger to point to your nose, say "Look", wait a bit then treat him from your other hand. Do this over and over. then stop using your finger to point to your nose. He can "Look" by both your pointing cue or the verbal cue...By prolonging the time before he gets the treat you then prolong his "watching" you...

This site gives a lot of great insight into what dogs/puppies go through as they grow. I have copied the part about dogs that are Shaggie's age. It talks about training classes, and how they relate to teenagers..

http://www.canis.no/rugaas/onearticle.php?artid=2

Quote:
The young dog

Once the puppy period passes at around 4 to 4.5 months of age, the adolescence begins. It consists of several stages and lasts up to around two years of age. Sometimes it takes more time, other time less. Young dogs are like young humans:

They like action and speed.
They get easily bored when nothing is happening.
They have no self-control at all.
They cannot control themselves when something exciting happens. Like kids who see a firetruck or dogs who smell a rabbit.
Their ability to concentrate over any longer period of time is poor. While kids ´forget´ to come right home after school, the dog forgets what you asked him to do ten seconds earlier. They prefer to be with others the same age or with similar interests.
They will rather play that do other things.
They find cramming boring and it takes the fun out of learning. Young dogs need training, but in short and fun sessions so that they are able to stay focused and not get tired of it. Their needs of activities can be met with short and easy training sessions on an simple agility course, recall training, taking walks in the woods, being with other dogs and play off leash, and so on.
They gradually need to learn self-control, but only little at a time. That´s why we do things stepwise, like expecting the dog to remain gradually longer in exercises like ´sit-stay´ - 2 seconds, 5 seconds, 10 seconds, etc.
Be considerate when the dog is loosing his concentration - allow the dog to get a break in order to get his focus back, help him to continue the training.
Let the adolescent dog meet with other dogs - Important!
Avoid long training sessions, repeating the same exercise over and over, punishment, and so on, so that the dog doesn´t get tired and fed up with training.
Socialization - Social training with people and animals is important. Teach the dog to deal with all kinds of situations in all kinds of environments.
Practice fun activities like tricks, retrieving, searching, tracking, etc.
We must keep in mind that dogs are social beings who need to learn about communication, polite behavior and self-control. Otherwise a life as a member of a pack will become completely unbearable. And they learn, little by little, just like human beings during childhood and adolescence. Who have ever seen a 4 or 6 year old child with self-control? When the four year old gets hysterical, there´s no point in even trying to reason with him or her. The same goes for the six year old child. To try and teach them something during a hysterical fit, is hopeless. We actually need to let them calm down first - before trying to teach them something.

When dog owners come to class with a young dog, a ´six year old´, this dog will easily become too excited - due new dogs, a new place, a new situation, and so on. At the same time, the class require that the dog and owner follow a strict program of exercises, and in a addition the program lasts way too long for a young dog. No wonder that the ´six year old´ will become agitated and even hysterical. Many, many dog owners drop out of these classes and courses because their dogs are impulsive, excited and almost hysterical. They are not ´crazy´ like the owners may be told, but their stress level is at a maximum and self-control level at a minimum. Naturally! Because, they haven´t learned how to deal with these types of situations before. It´s doomed to fail.

Use of violence or force to get the dog to pay attention in such a situation is unlikely to make the dog any better. On the contrary, if the dog wasn´t already in a state of hysteria, he would be if we use force and unpleasantness. It´s not our place to make our demands to the young dog too difficult. If the dog isn´t able to cope with a situation, then it simply isn´t able to cope with it. We can prevent the dog from becoming hysterical by learning to observe him and his emotional state, to learn to see that the temperature is rising and stop what we are doing before the dog has reached the level of stress and excitement where he is unable to communicate and learn.


Right after this section is more info, that can certinly help you in understand how to best handle this.

You are doing great.
Yeah.. I don't think I've done too bad for a beginner. I try to relate everything I do with him to OES dogs and not just "any" dog. I only read specifically (when I have the time and am not in paralyzing pain.. lol) about OES dogs.
Much like me and someone from Japan don't learn the same language or culture, I assume the same is true for different breeds of dogs. We're getting there.. just a couple big things to work on.. but a lot of that will be hopefully subsided once we're fixed and out of puppy phase!
ShaggysMomJen wrote:
I had no experience with OES when I bought Shaggy, but I just LOVE OES.. always have.. since Sesame Street!


Oh my goodness! That's when I fell in love with OES, too! The big orange and white OES named Barkley! If wooly mammoths were still around, I'd probably want my own Snuffalufagus too! :D
*giggle* Your little baby is adorable, 1st time! Mine was already nearly 100 lbs when we got him. He's only 6 months old. I hope he's about grown as big as he's going to get!
Hi Jen!
I too have named my oes/std poodle Shaggy. The bigger he gets the more oes I see in him! He is now 9 mos. old and is a joy to have. We got Shaggy when he was 3 months old and he too was an outside dog. But within about 2 weeks he was about 95% house trained. And now he doesn't mess at all.
Hang in there and I know what you mean about the back stuff. I too have back problems and also have a hard time bending. And now, with Shaggy about 50lbs or so, I have to be really careful with him. But he is so sweet and loves attention. He loves to swim, play fetch and go for walks.
I wish you many happy times with Shaggy. You will enjoy him even more as he gets older.
Have fun!
Shaggy's Mom Dedra
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