Showing.... coloring

Ok, if any of you are familiar with showing an oes, or even better, judging, I have a few questions.
Considering that the nose of an oes should always be black, could a dog with a small pink spot on it's nose still be shown? If so would it lose points? How is it scored? How serious is it? Also, what are some thoughts on pigment around the eye? If a dog has some pigment around the eyes, but not all the way around, is that a fault? What about lips? Are they supposed to be totally black? Or if the pigment is not all the way around the lips is that a fault?I know that full pigment around eyes and on lips is preferred, but I just want to know exactly how important is it? And if a dog has one blue, one brown eye and no pigment lining the eyes at
all is that ok?
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The totally black nose and the pigment eyes are preferred but minor flaws should not count much off the dog. IDEALLY the judge should pay more attention to structure and movement than these minor flaws. But if it comes down to 2 dogs, the one with the better pigment will win.

Alas, you could still have the superior structure and movement and still lose because the judge is so partial to a full black nose and eye pigment.
No pigment around the eyes is NOT a fault. The nose should be completely black but I am not sure how much they would subtract if you just had one little spot.

Please refer to this link to read up on the Old English Sheepdog show standard posted through the OESCA.
http://www.cruiserdog.com/judgel/
Just curious....

Can they tell by looking if you've had a dog's nose tattooed black?
I stand corrected. I'm just going by what someone told me years ago. I had a sheepie without eye liner on both eyes and was told at that time it wouldn't disqualify her from the ring, but would be looked down upon. Apparently that person's prejudice was showing.........and that person did exhibit sheepdogs. (sneaky trick for eliminating competition, huh?)
Handlers will actually fill in the pink on a pups nose when showing, using a product similar to the eye black athletes wear under their eyes.
I wonder if tatooing would be considered a "surgical" correction?
Thank you for your answers. I am concerned because Dancer's nose has the tiniest pink spot on it, the breeder actually thinks it is a scar from a nip from one of her siblings. But I would not alter her by tatooing it, I have heard of people doing this, but it sounds painful. Some have suggested black marker as well, but what would that say about my character? If I blacked it with marker, and sometime down the road someone saw the spot no one would ever trust me.
Sky is the one with no liner around her eyes at all. With one of her eyes being blue it looks perfectly natural, however I wasn't sure if it was a fault or not.
Anymore information is still welcomed! I want to learn as much as possible, and plan on attending shows as often as possible with and without my dogs.
Hi, my breeder said that she had a pup who had a small pink spot, and it filled in when the pup turned one year old. As far as the liner goes, when I got Mopsey she had no black around her eyes. Now its almost all filled in. I heard that if your pup has an all white head, it takes much longer for the pigment to come in. The side where Mop has her black ear, the pigment has come in much faster then her white ear. So I wouldn't worry yet. :D
Willowsprite wrote:
Thank you for your answers. I am concerned because Dancer's nose has the tiniest pink spot on it, the breeder actually thinks it is a scar from a nip from one of her siblings. But I would not alter her by tatooing it, I have heard of people doing this, but it sounds painful. Some have suggested black marker as well, but what would that say about my character? If I blacked it with marker, and sometime down the road someone saw the spot no one would ever trust me.
Sky is the one with no liner around her eyes at all. With one of her eyes being blue it looks perfectly natural, however I wasn't sure if it was a fault or not.
Anymore information is still welcomed! I want to learn as much as possible, and plan on attending shows as often as possible with and without my dogs.


It is possible that Dancer's nose will fill in - but if it is from a "scar" - then it shouldn't disqualify her from showing.

The eyeliner (or lack of) is not a fault. However - that can develop in time too - you may find as Sky ages - she develops more pigment around her eyes.

Kristen
Thanks guys! :) I love this forum!
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if someone judged me and looked at a freckle on my nose as a "fault" i think i'd donkey kick them when they walked behind me.

showing dogs just bothers me for some reason.

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There is a product called "De Nose Nos" (yes, that's the real name). Here's the description: Hide scratches, fading and a list of other nosy problems with a simple two-step nose darkening kit for show dogs that makes noses black without any rub-off. For 1 oz. it's $8.95 at http://www.Cherrybrook.com . Being an extreme novice in the dog showing hobby, you should see how many products there are out there to make the dogs look spiffy!! I am not going to even tell you what some of the owners/handlers do to make their dogs look spiffy to the max. Some of it is way too over the top for me.
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