http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-pets-dogs-pu ... dZ11914690
There is no information on the parents only that the puppy had its needles, was dewormed and comes with a written guarantee of two years. What specific questions should I be asking the owners to find out more information on the parents, health checks and other details?
Just to be clear, I do not support BYBs and to me, this appears, although not necessarily, to be just that. I just feel that even BYB puppies need love and someone who knows how to care for them.
Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks
|The same poster is selling Bulldog crosses and Spanials. And the pups are sold at 6 weeks old.
The more she sells the more she will produce. Just walk away.
|If this was a reputable breeder there would be more info.
If you still want that puppy, I suggest you contact her and
ask as many questions as you can. If I were you I wouldn't
even consider this breeder, but that's just me. Check out
some of our other posts about what questions to ask.
It looks to me like this breeder is trying to make a buck and
probably hasn't done much testing. I could be wrong.
Here is a good place to start to get more info on OES
and there is a page there for breeder referral:
There is a contact link at the bottom of the page for
Tarja Koistila. She is the breeder referral contact, and she
will lead you in the right direction.
|I realize it may not be a reputable breeder. There has probably been no testing done, no health checks, no hip certifcation, no "standard" by which this puppy was bred and no behavioural testing, etc etc. Still, I care what happens to this puppy.
How may times have I had someone come up to me cooing over Gert telling me how badly they've always wanted one, how their kids would love it and how great it would be until they ask me about grooming...then they smile politely, say thanks but no thanks and walk away. It annoys me to no end how little people know about the breed and yet want one just cause. I suspect this is where this puppy will end up and I would much rather know that it has gone to a home where it can be cared for properly and loved then not.
How do other people deal with the fact that these types of puppies are pumped out by BYBs all the time? Obviously we can't save them all but if we become aware of one in our local area, are we to do nothing but maintain we don't support BYBs regardless of the situation? How do we walk away? Can I get some perspective or insight on this issue please?
|The problem is that you may be saving this puppy but once his space has opened up there will be 15 more to take his place. Then someone will feel sorry for those 15 and then 30 more will take their place. It's a vicious cycle and we ALL have to be strong enough to walk away. I know it's hard ann I know that people feel guilty but by buying this one dog you are actually SUPPORTING what these BYB are doing and if there is a market there will just be more supply to meet the demand.
|I don't support puppymills. Therefore I don't buy puppies at pet stores, even if I know that cute little puppy itself isn't to blame. Correlation to unhealthy back yard breeding? Yes.|
I just remembered that your Gertie came from the same horrid place as my Dixie, and Brenda's Murphy, and a few others. Just think that anyone purchasing a puppy from a place like the one you posted is paying that individual to keep dogs in the condition that ours were all in. It is those dogs that are not seen that I always think about...The pups are getting out of the hell hole.
Also, to make it a bit easier for you in this case, that person might a broker....Where all they do is take orders for pups and then get them shipped in from places all over North America...at very young ages. A woman I know used to work for one, and 50% of the puppies never survived the trip from the farm to the destination.
If there were no buyers for the pups then maybe they don't make the trip....and possibly end up safe in a rescue group!
Be strong.....You are on the side that is trying to end the cycle...
|Liz and I spoke about this this morning after she sent me this ad.. to say I was shocked that this was so close to home is an understatement....OES's are very rare in our "neck of the woods".... and to see a puppy on this website made me sick to my stomach.. cuz you just know it's from a BYB.
Liz is a smart compassionate person.. she knows the differents, she has seen the suffering that a BYB can do.. her Gertie was in pretty bad shape..BUT it IS hard to walk away from a cute puppy staring back at you, you don't care where it comes from, you just want to give it a good home, love it and look after it.... that is what THEY are counting on, it is our responsiblity to educate on BYB situations....educate people on alternative ways to find an OES, ie, rescue, reputable breeder, local shelters, explain when you buy pet supplies from pet store.. what it truly is your are supporting....
Like Maximm said "we ALL have to be strong enough to walk away. I know it's hard ann I know that people feel guilty but by buying this one dog you are actually SUPPORTING what these BYB are doing and if there is a market there will just be more supply to meet the demand".
It is hard to walk away and put it out of your mind... but it needs to be done.
Rescue all the way......
|Thanks all for your comments. I do appreciate it.
Brenda and I spoke several times today about this topic and I do understand what purchasing this puppy really means. It is hard though to walk away and be strong about that decision. I was every bit as shocked to see an OES puppy listed for sale on that site. They are rare here and because they are, knowing where it is probably coming from makes it that much more difficult.
As I mentioned to Brenda earlier today, I think I will contact the seller and request that if they sell the puppy locally to please pass along my contact info to the buyer. That way, should the person ever ask for my assistance, I can redirect them to places like this site where they will have a large pool of knowledge to draw from and people willing to help with words of encouragment and advice. It is the very least I can do
It is very hard to make that kind of decision. I think you are admirable for trying to educate the future owner if you can. It is very brave of you!!!
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