What's up with PETA?

Over the last several years I've really become disenchanted with PETA. Years ago I thought they had done such great work uncovering certain animal abuses that mainstream people had never heard of, and a lot of good came out of their actions. Lately, I really feel like they are such a radical group and now reading about the current trial that is still in the courts is such a bummer. I know the below article may be one-sided, and the trial is still underway, but what are PETA employees doing? Do they think it's better for them to euthanize and animal vs. a shelter? I just don't get it.

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/Trial_Day1.cfm

I really feel that PETA has lost all of their credibility now. What purpose does it serve being so out of control?

The worst part of this whole mess is that PETA may set a precedent now with animal shelters no longer willingly releasing animals to foster homes or breed rescues.
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What the heck are they doing? 8O :evil:
We have a huge protest going on here over the opening of a facility that will use animals for drug testing. I don't understand how PETA can protest that, while instructing their staff to take animals out of a shelter where they have a chance at adoption, then kill them immediately and dump their bodies? What horrible hypocrisy.
I can't stand peta or their garbage propaganda. I think they kill far more animals than they save. From what I've seen they only help if it is to their benefit or offers a photo op.
I imagine I'll get some computers thrown at me for this one but PETA is nothing but a domestic terrorist organization that actually kills more animals than it helps. It hides behind a facade of celebrities who they have somehow fooled into believing they help animals.

I do believe there are some honest and caring people who have been hookwinked into falling for the PETA party line but if you look into PETA you will find some pretty scarey facts.
Interesting link...

http://www.animalscam.com:80/ads.cfm
I'm not sure what their official opinion is now, but not
too long ago they were spouting garbage about not
owning pets at all and no animals in ads and so on.
That really turned me off to them totally. There was
an official representative on National Geo about a
year ago who did a short sit-down interview.
What he was talking about sounded very extreme
to me (no pets, no breeding dogs, kind of the
no contact with animals mindset). He talked
briefly about some of the more extreme groups like
ELF, and agreed with them as far as having to use
drastic measures. Personally I was horrified- they
destroy lives and property. How is that conducive to
promoting their views? Seems counter productive to me.
The PETA website tries to be very PC- but I think there is
much more just below the surface. I guess we all have to
decide for ourselves. I'm not gonna start a peta bashing-
I just have different beliefs.


Shellie
I spell Hypocrisy P-E-T-A !!!!

Did you know that between 1998 and 2005, the very group that claims to advocate for animals "rights" killed over 14,400 dog, cats and other companion animals. Since they only took in about 17,800 animals, that amounts to a death rate of about 80% - nearly three times higher then that of the Norfolk (VA) SPCA, located less than 4 miles from PETA's headquarters.

This court case was also published here in Australia as well, disgusting, in fact the whole lot of them are. Propaganda, big dollars in donations, major celebs on their ads etc etc etc, what really counts is animal welfare, to PETA that is not even on there list at all. :evil:

lisaoes
just to shed a little light on the subject.... the city pound in chicago "kills" (euthanizes I think is a better word) 20,000 out of 30,000 animals it gets each year! that is not because they are a bad organization it is because people DUMP their sick, abused, aggressive (because of neglect or fighting) animals on them and expect them to find them a home when they are overpopulated and understaffed. I imagine PETA has the same problems. Just because they are an animal rights organization does not mean they have the facilities, staff, resources etc. to fix these animals that are unfortunately beyond help.

that being said... i do not support PETA at all for various other reasons.
Lil Walty wrote:
that being said... i do not support PETA at all for various other reasons.
Such as...?
Ron wrote:
Lil Walty wrote:
that being said... i do not support PETA at all for various other reasons.
Such as...?

Well.... for starters read the below....... (taken from www.activistcash.com)
Quote:
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals
501 Front Street, Norfolk, VA 23510
Phone 757-622-7382 | Fax 757-622-0457 | Email info@peta-online.org

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals provides aid and comfort for the Earth Liberation Front (ELF) and the Animal Liberation Front (ALF). The two groups are responsible for more than 600 crimes since 1996, causing (by a very conservative FBI estimate) more than $43 million in damage. ALF’s “press office” brags that in 2002, the two groups committed “100 illegal direct actions” -- like blowing up SUVs, destroying the brakes on seafood delivery trucks, and planting firebombs in restaurants.
The FBI calls ALF and ELF the nation’s “most serious domestic terrorism threat.” Bruce Friedrich, PETA’s “vegan campaign director” and third-in-command, didn’t seem to care when he addressed the Animal Rights 2001 convention in Virginia, telling a crowd of over 1,000 activists that “blowing stuff up and smashing windows” is “a great way to bring about animal liberation.”

“It would be great,” he added, “if all the fast-food outlets, slaughterhouses, these laboratories and the banks who fund them exploded tomorrow.”

PETA’s connections to ALF and ELF are indisputable. “We did it, we did it. We gave $1,500 to the ELF for a specific program,” PETA’s Lisa Lange admitted on the Fox News Channel. PETA has offered no fewer than eight different explanations of what the “specific program” was, but law enforcement leaders have noted that since the Earth Liberation Front is a criminal enterprise, it has absolutely no legal “programs” of any kind.

For instance, in 2003, ELF set fire to an unfinished, 200 unit condominium complex near San Diego. The arson caused $50 million in damage, and according to a San Diego Fire Captain: “It could have killed someone.” ELF left its calling card in the form of a twelve foot sign that read: “If you build it -- we will burn it -- the ELF’s are mad.”

PETA also has given $2,000 to David Wilson, then a national ALF “spokesperson.” The group paid $27,000 for the legal defense of Roger Troen, who was arrested for taking part in an October 1986 burglary and arson at the University of Oregon. It gave $7,500 to Fran Stephanie Trutt, who tried to murder the president of a medical laboratory. It gave $5,000 to Josh Harper, who attacked Native Americans on a whale hunt by throwing smoke bombs, shooting flares, and spraying their faces with chemical fire extinguishers. All of these monies were paid out of tax-exempt funds, the same pot of money constantly enlarged by donations from an unsuspecting general public.

PETA president Ingrid Newkirk is also an acknowledged financial supporter of a publication called No Compromise. This periodical operates on behalf of the radicals of ALF, and often publishes underground “communiqués” and calls to arms from ALF leaders.

Most ominously, PETA president Ingrid Newkirk was involved in the multi-million-dollar arson at Michigan State University that resulted in a 57-month prison term for Animal Liberation Front bomber Rodney Coronado. At Coronado’s sentencing hearing, U.S. Attorney Michael Dettmer said that PETA’s Ingrid Newkirk arranged ahead of time to have Coronado send her a pair of FedEx packages from Michigan -- one on the day before he burned the lab down, and the other shortly afterward.

The first FedEx, according to the Sentencing Memorandum, was delivered to a woman named Maria Blanton, “a longtime PETA member who had agreed to accept the first Federal Express package from Coronado after being asked to do so by Ingrid Newkirk.” The FBI intercepted the second package, which had been sent to the same address. It contained documents that Coronado stole before lighting his firebombs, as well as “a videotape of the perpetrator of the MSU crime, disguised in a ski mask.” Since Coronado was convicted of the arson, we now know that he himself was that masked man. “Significantly,” wrote U.S. Attorney Dettmer, “Newkirk had arranged to have the package[s] delivered to her days before the MSU arson occurred.” (emphasis in the original)

A search warrant executed at Blanton’s home turned up evidence that PETA’s other co-founder, Alex Pacheco, had also been planning burglaries and break-ins along with Rodney Coronado. The feds seized “surveillance logs; code names for Coronado, Pacheco, and others; burglary tools; two-way radios; night vision goggles; [and] phony identification for Coronado and Pacheco.”

Shortly after Coronado’s arrest, PETA gave $45,200 to his “support committee” and “loaned” $25,000 to his father (the loan was never repaid and PETA hasn’t complained). Now free from jail, with an expired parole, and with the benefit of an expired Statute of Limitations on his many earlier arsons (to which he readily confesses in his standard stump speech), Coronado stood before a crowd of hundreds of young people at American University in January 2003 and demonstrated how to turn a milk jug into a bomb. A few days later, ALF criminals tried to burn down a McDonald’s restaurant in Chico, California, using a firebomb that matched Coronado’s recipe.

The following month, Ingrid Newkirk told ABC News that Rodney Coronado is “a fine young man.”

Newkirk wrote a book called Free the Animals! The Untold Story of the U.S. Animal Liberation Front and Its Founder, ‘Valerie.’ In it she writes: “The ALF has, over the years, trusted People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) to receive copies of the evidence of wrongdoing … I have also become somewhat used to jumping on a plane with copies of freshly purloined documents and hurriedly calling news conferences to discuss the ALF’s findings.” Indeed, PETA has held such press conferences just hours after ALF arsons and other break-ins.

PETA has published a leaflet called “Animal Liberation Front: the Army of the Kind.” In another pamphlet, “Activism and the Law,” PETA openly offers advice on “burning a laboratory building.”

“I will be the last person to condemn ALF,” says Newkirk. And in another interview: “I find it small wonder that the laboratories aren’t all burning to the ground. If I had more guts, I’d light a match.” In ALF’s publication Bite Back (yes, this terrorist group has a newsletter), Newkirk has said: “You can’t have all politeness and patience, all potlucks and epistles … Some people will never budge unless [they are] pushed to budge.”

Perhaps Newkirk’s most telling comment, though, came in a 2002 U.S. News & World Report feature. “Our nonviolent tactics are not as effective,” she admitted. “We ask nicely for years and get nothing. Someone makes a threat, and it works.”
PETA turns people away from the cause and makes them angry, which makes my job more difficult and hurts every other animal rights/welfare organization.

Beyond that they have a dispute with a primate sanctuary where they went in and took over because of "neglect" charges and ended up doing a lot more harm than good. It's clear that they are acting on radical principles (some of which I believe in) but in our current social context, they are going to end up doing a lot more harm than good. Our legal system is not going to change overnight to accomodate a bunch of self-righteous hypocrites simply because they get a lot of press. My advice to anyone who truly wants to represent an oppressed population is to act in a way that will alleviate the most harm.

I DO appreciate that PETA gets the issues out in public and pressures celebrities to stop wearing fur (it was worked in a few recent cases). But that's about the extent of my appreciation.
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