Sheepie needs home- found on Craigslist in California

Found this on Craig's list Los Angeles:

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/pet/213299529.html
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I sent an email to that poster through Craigs list.
That is Terry. I was going to foster his dog Mochi for him and he never showed up.

The link above does not work. He redid his ad see:
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/pet/214188459.html
I think this situation really stinks. Terry comes here trying to get someone to foster his dog - next he's trying to give it away on Craigslist!

HOW ABOUT CALLING A RESCUE?? It is rumored that a lot of the dogs posted on craigslist end up in science lab, or worse in dog fighting rings!!

Terry, I hope you are reading this post. I'm not sure why you mislead a member on this board and not forthcoming about the fact that your dog has been kenneled this whole time. Poor girl. :cry:

-VerveUp
what the heck?? 8O :cry:
Elissa, I always wondered what happened with you fostering this girl. I remember you said she was coming that weekend.

What is wrong with her owner? I hope she gets turned over to rescue and ends up in a furever where they love her to bits.
Paula, He actually rescheduled twice because he was in training for a new job. The final time he was supposed to come he did not cancel. But he also did not show up. :roll: He had already had my address and phone numbers. He was going to spend the day before with her, then drive out the next day. He never called or e-mailed. Which I found to be VERY rude, since I went out of way to be home that day!
We were also anxiously awaiting her arrival. :(
They are trying to sell the dog now.

Quote:
she is not fixed. I have AKC paper, but since she is not fixed, i don't wanna see her being a breeding dog.....therefore, i am asking adoption fee+agreement that you will spay her.


Send emails, folks.

Tell'em what to do if they REALLY care about their dog.
Tell'em where they could end up from craig's list.
Tell'em.

Ask'em how much they want for the dog, let us know if you get a response. I didn't.
I just sent an email to him in the tone of "helping" him. I hope...
His email address was posted in another post so I will post again
terry79z@gmail.com

the post was http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?t=9427
Here is one of the e-mails he sent me.


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Hi, Elissa

Thank you for the e-mail.

I have seen you many times from OES forum, so I know that how much you
care about OES.

The story goes like this.
I got Mochi from a pastor when I was in Pittsburgh for college.
(don't worry, I was not irresponsible college kid. I went to school
late because i served in army. Mochi was also taken care by my
girlfriend who's a licensed social worker)
I graduated in December of 2005 and we drove together to LA.
I found a place where I could live with Mochi, but I got another job
offer that was far from the place, so I had to move in my uncle's
house. That was when i was looking for someone to take care of her
before in OES forum. I found a nice pet hotel near my house where I
could go see her whenever i want to. At that time, I thought she was
gonna be there for a week or two until I find new apartment, but
unfortunately, it has been already 3-4 months that she's in the pet
hotel.

A owner from the pet hotel actually called me up last week if she can
have Mochi, but I said no because I don't think it's right place for
her since there are so many dogs coming in and out which can be
stressful for Mochi.

My girlfriend is going back to Japan in September, and we planned
bring mochi with her, but her brother's health condition got worse, so
I don't think it's ok for her to bring Mochi.

So here I am.
I just got another job starting in Aug 21st in downtown LA and at the
same time, I am applying for grad school.

Since I have to move around several times from now either for school
or job, it will be stressful for Mochi to adjust to new environment.

--> So I am searching for someone to take care of her temporarily (or
can be permanent, I am not sure..........i wish i have clear idea.)
I feel so bad that i can't provide her good place....but at the same
time, i don't want to say good bye to her.

She is 22 months old and she is not fixed(never had puppies before, though)
Do you think she will get along with your dogs?
She is like a girl, so she gets jealous easily :)

Sorry for sloppy long e-mail.
Let me know what you think.

I will describe her personality and details later.


Thank you.


We exchanged quite a few emails after that. Including one where I requested that he have her spayed and he had agreed.
As soon as I read the post originally, I emailed him with an offer to help as well as links to rescues and OES.org (Not knowing the situation) And of course, no reply.
I can't imagine putting a price on one of my dogs. I could never part with them in the first place, but asking for an "adoption fee", rather than just being concerned about finding a good home, is disturbing.
cinemarco wrote:
but asking for an "adoption fee", rather than just being concerned about finding a good home, is disturbing.


Asking for an adoption fee or selling the dog is much better than giving it away. There are folks who pick up free dogs, and are good at acting like a lovely family...kids and all....then turn around and sell them to puppy mills or like it was alluded to above, dog-fighting rings to use as bait.

Do a internet search on "free to good home" and you will find tons of stories why that is NOT a good idea.

Also, people tend to take better care of something they paid for. Some folks would give a good story about being a great home, take a free dog, keep it for a bit then give it to the person down the street or dump it at a shelter or set it loose if they don't want it anymore. After all, it was free, right?

I just wish he would spay her himself, instead of going alone with a promise for the new owner to do it. gggrrrrrr..... :evil:
Bosley's mom wrote:
I just wish he would spay her himself, instead of going alone with a promise for the new owner to do it. gggrrrrrr..... :evil:

That is what I was worried about.
Bosley's mom wrote:
Asking for an adoption fee or selling the dog is much better than giving it away. There are folks who pick up free dogs, and are good at acting like a lovely family...kids and all....then turn around and sell them to puppy mills or like it was alluded to above, dog-fighting rings to use as bait.


I do know this and it does make sense. I have also known some who put receiving a healthy adoption fee over finding an appropriate home.
I will choose to believe you are right in this case. :?
I wrote this guy a direct email to a personal account and did receive a response.

This is what I wrote:
Quote:
Terry,
All of us on the OES forum are very concerned for Mochi. We want to help you select the right option for Mochi. Many dogs that are purchased on Craig's list unfortunately go down an awful road to dog fighting or to lab experiments, thus an early demise.

A wonderful forum member had eagerly awaited your arrival with her, but you didn't arrive, call or send an email. I have personally met this forum member, her family and her dogs. They are all treated wonderfully and have a very happy home.

I beg you to PLEASE do the right thing and turn her over to your breeder, the forum member or to a sheepdog rescue. All of those responsible options are very safe and would follow your wishes not to breed her.

It sounds like you really care for Mochi and I do hope you select the right future for her to be in a loving environment. Please let me know when you receive this email and what you decide. Thank you.

Lover and owner of two OES,
Stacy


This is what he wrote back to me. It's not exactly what we were hoping for, but maybe it got him thinking again.

Quote:
Stacy,

Thank you so much about your concern
Seriously, I don't know what to do.
I really don't wanna give her up, but I think I have to.
I am looking for right individual to adopt Mochi now with agreement to spay her.
Thank you for kind e-mail.
Sincerely,
Terry"
Does anyone know how much his "adoption fee" is? From his posting, I get the feeling that he's not planning to give her away.
maybe we can pitch in and "buy" her.
Any word on this girl?
Please write back and find out price, together, hopefully we could do something. I'm in Maryland so I couldn't do anything as far as picking up or the immediate care, but hate to see a dog in this situation...Kathy
ps: educated...maybe, responsible HECK NO, pastor wasn't very bright either, he was the student with off campus housing and in need of a better grade!
wow....

Thanks...and sorry for what I have done and doing.

I have problem sleeping at night because I think about what I am going to do with my dog.

I really really dont want to give her up...that's why I've been postponding and breaking promises.

To, Elissa, Thank you so much for your concern and promise to keep mochi, but like you said you already have two dogs...your female reminds me of mochi, so I am concerning if both of them can't get along well.
The reason I didn't take her to your place is on the day I was supposed to go to your house, mochi looked so sad.......she looked like she knew i would leaver her....that's why i didn't take her to your place. I am really sorry..I should've contacted you earlier...but I was worried that you would get angry for keep changing my mind.


Please people.....help me out........what is best way for me to do????
..what would you do if you were me?
I am gonna pick her up this friday. There is nice lady contacted me through craiglist, and I am planning to visit her house if she said it's ok.
but i rather want member from here to take care of her because people here know about this breed.


Thank you.

I really thank you all for your concerning about me and my dog.
terry79z wrote:
Please people.....help me out........what is best way for me to do????
..what would you do if you were me?


If it were me, I would contact a local OES specific rescue organization or New England Old English Sheepdog Rescue (www.NEOESR.org) and let them place your dog for you. They have the experience to really evaluate what would be a good home. I would be terrified of making that decision myself.

It is obvious you care about your dog and to me, choosing a rescue shows love where using craigslist seems really risky. I use craigslist for all sorts of things -- i am not against craigslist in general. It is just that each individual in this type of situation does not have the experience or neutrality to make a proper placement. Our hearts are too involved and we can be blind to concerns that a rescue would discover. Please choose a rescue and let them find the perfect home for your dog.
Plus they will neuter him right away.
Hi, Terry. Thank you for contacting all of us and we understand what a hard decision this is for you. If I were in your situation, I think I would contact OES rescue to place Mochi.
You say you didn't take Mochi to Elissa's because Mochi looked sad, like she knew you were going to leave her. But she doesn't live with you now, and she must have that same sad look on her face when you leave her at the kennel, or wherever you are boarding her now.

She deserves better. You need to think about what's best for her, even if it breaks your heart. I agree with everyone else - contact a rescue organization, now.
Drezzie's Mom wrote:
You say you didn't take Mochi to Elissa's because Mochi looked sad, like she knew you were going to leave her. But she doesn't live with you now, and she must have that same sad look on her face when you leave her at the kennel, or wherever you are boarding her now.

She deserves better. You need to think about what's best for her, even if it breaks your heart. I agree with everyone else - contact a rescue organization, now.



True, whenever i say bye to her, she looks sad.
(she likes to sleep backseat of my car, so I hate to drive to take Mochi back to pet hotel.....because she sleeps peacefully and all of sudden she wakes up and realizes she arrived at pet hotel by herself)
She is now "happily" sent to OES rescue of Southern California.

Thank you all of you
Thank you, Terry. You did the right thing, dude.

I'm sorry for your loss.
Ron wrote:
Thank you, Terry. You did the right thing, dude.

I agree!
Thank you for doing the right thing. She will now be spayed and placed in a good home.
thank you, Terry
It took a lot of courage and a very good heart to turn your dog over to a rescue. Sending out hugs to you for making this difficult decision, placing your pet's needs over your own.
You did the right thing Terry. Thanks so much.
Thanks to everyone on this board who got involved and helped.
Terry, the rescue will take great care to find Mochi a loving home where she will have the attention she deserves. Thank you for giving her a better life.....Kathy
You absolutely made the right decision, Terry. I know it was tough for you, but thank you for doing the right thing.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, Terry. I know it was difficult, but this truly is the best thing you could have done for Mochi. She will get the love and attention she deserves, knowing she's safe in the same place every night.
Thank you for your decision. I'm sure Mochi will end up in a home that will give her the attention that you wanted to.
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